AHC: Create a nation that is a blend of Europeans and East Asians.

[Sol Zagato]

Have Francis Galton's Chinese Africa proposal become official policy for some British colony in the late 19th century, and postulate it doesn't crash and burn. Crucially, they learn English under British administration and spend a generation "westernizing".

The resulting greater economic development attracts more British settlers than OTL, where they mix on the frontier and in cities (not so much in settled farmland).

 

[athgtq16129]

I think an Indo European migration into Northern China (plus adjacent regions like Korea and the Russian Far East) is a really interesting premise for a TL.

Wasn't there a TL somewhere in here where the Proto-Indo-Europeans migrate to China instead of to Europe and India?

 

[Arkenfolm]

This thread got me the idea--Spanish California, but founded at an early (1607) date. Because of the innate links with the Manila galleon trade, it could have a very large Filipino and Chinese population, especially for labour as epidemic and Spanish mistreatment decimate the indigenous population. As Spanish (and Mexicans) settle the land, they will intermix with the Asian population the Spanish brought and thus create a biracial nation (or really more than that given the indigenous and minor African component that would exist).

 

[Gabingston]

One other way to create a majority Hapa nation would be for the Dutch to colonize Western Australia and settle it with a mix of Europeans (mainly Dutch and German), Indonesians, Chinese and biracial Indos (the latter coming in large numbers after Indonesia gains independence).

 

[Byzantion]

An Romani Kingdom in the Balkans mixed with Slavs ?

 

[Xenophonte]

An Romani Kingdom in the Balkans mixed with Slavs ?

Interesting, idea! But, I think that any non Slavs people/kingdom as the proposed, would assimilate/Slavice in the same way that the Bulgars did...

 

[HyperMuscularDemon]

How about a single city state? Maybe the Byzantine Empire from 589 AD onwards set ups a trade post in Canton province, maybe, and the Greek traders that arrive there intergrate really well and intermingle heavily with the Chinese Cantonese people, and later on, Italian traders and merchants arrive in the Greek Chinese city. This could probably help increase the European opinion of China, which could help increase the population of the Greek-Italian-Chinese Cantonese city.

 

[Arkenfolm]

How about a single city state? Maybe the Byzantine Empire from 589 AD onwards set ups a trade post in Canton province, maybe, and the Greek traders that arrive there intergrate really well and intermingle heavily with the Chinese Cantonese people, and later on, Italian traders and merchants arrive in the Greek Chinese city. This could probably help increase the European opinion of China, which could help increase the population of the Greek-Italian-Chinese Cantonese city.

They'd probably just be a diaspora community like the Persian merchants were in many parts of southern China like Guangzhou. Incidentally, this community was massacred by a rebel army in the late 9th century. That's not too unusual of a fate, since Persian merchants in Quanzhou suffered a similar fate in the mid-14th century. They'd also have to deal with anti-Christian edicts and the fact Europe itself is both distant and has its own internal struggles that periodically weakened international trade.

Their only real chance is to become the nucleus of a Christian Chinese ethnicity like the Hui are Muslim Chinese. Inevitably they'd be absorbed into the Chinese population and culture, so they'd be no more foreign than Hui Chinese are (many Hui have Arab or Persian ancestors but otherwise are still Chinese). And I still don't think they'd ever form a nation or even majority in any area, they'd probably just be a trade-based community in cities associated with Christianity and would be where later European travelers like Marco Polo would try and visit first.

 

[sarapen]

This thread got me the idea--Spanish California, but founded at an early (1607) date. Because of the innate links with the Manila galleon trade, it could have a very large Filipino and Chinese population, especially for labour as epidemic and Spanish mistreatment decimate the indigenous population. As Spanish (and Mexicans) settle the land, they will intermix with the Asian population the Spanish brought and thus create a biracial nation (or really more than that given the indigenous and minor African component that would exist).

Southeast Asia had low population density until the 19th century. And the Philippine population also decreased immediately after the Spanish conquest, though not as much as in the Americas. It was because isolated highland peoples got connected into the Eurasian disease pool that their lowland counterparts were already plugged into. I think it was around a 30% reduction. So there might not be a big effect until much later down the line.