AHC: “From the Brink of Collapse, they Arise again”

Challenge: Have an empire or kingdom or rumpstate, from a stent of decline and brink of collapse, bounce back, becoming powerful, reclaiming lost territory, and reestablishing itself as a powerful entity.

Some choices include:
  • Western Roman Empire
  • Seleucid Empire
  • Eastern Roman Empire
  • Kingdom of Soissons
  • Mali Empire
  • Empire of Trebizond
  • Songhai Empire/Kingdom of Dendi
  • Majapahit
  • Sultanate of Rum
  • Southern Song
  • Southern Ming
  • Northern Yuan
  • Neo-Incan State
  • Mughal Empire
  • Swedish Empire
  • Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
  • (Insert choice here)
 
Challenge: Have an empire or kingdom or rumpstate, from a stent of decline and brink of collapse, bounce back, becoming powerful, reclaiming lost territory, and reestablishing itself as a powerful entity.

Some choices include:
  • Western Roman Empire
  • Seleucid Empire
  • Eastern Roman Empire
  • Kingdom of Soissons
  • Mali Empire
  • Empire of Trebizond
  • Songhai Empire/Kingdom of Dendi
  • Majapahit
  • Sultanate of Rum
  • Southern Song
  • Southern Ming
  • Northern Yuan
  • Neo-Incan State
  • Mughal Empire
  • Swedish Empire
  • Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
  • (Insert choice here)
I am doing that in my timeline GalloRoman Chronicles for WRE.
 
For the Seleucids, Harsiesi’s revolt against the Ptolemies in 131 BC is successful, dethroning the Ptolemies, in the midst of a civil war between Ptolemy VIII Physkon and Cleopatra II. Cleopatra II petitions the Seleucid ruler Antiochus VII Sidetes to crush the native revolt and restore her on the throne, in return for becoming a vassal and assisting him in his campaigns. The Seleucids defeat both the divided native Egyptian rebellion and Ptolemy VIII, who is forced into exile in Cyrene, dying mysteriously shortly after. With additional Egyptian support, Antiochus VIII avoids the disastrous moves in Media and the ambush in Ecbatana, killing the Parthian king Phraates II instead. While the Parthians will try to release Antiochus’ brother Demetrius II and start a civil war, after this victory Antiochus should be able to defeat Demetrius and possibly affect a moderate Seleucid resurgence. Rome may be a problem, but it will be in Rome‘s interests not to have a powerful Parthian empire on it‘s eastern frontier, and may tolerate Seleucid moves.
For the Neo-Inca, that would be easy if you count Manco Incas’ revolt in 1536 as Neo-Inca. Just have the fire near the buildings where the Spanish took refuge not get put out and force the Spaniards out into the open, where they get overwhelmed one by one. Another is to have Manco Inca not order his general Quito to directly assault Lima instead of using the tactics that had worked well against the Spaniards and their cavalry thus far. Another is to have Hernando Pizzaro get killed at Ollantaytambo by a stray arrow to his face. Another is to have Paullu Inca side with Manco instead of the Spaniards. Another is to avoid Manco Inca’s assasssination by pro-Almagro supporters. There are countless scenarios.
 
Challenge: Have an empire or kingdom or rumpstate, from a stent of decline and brink of collapse, bounce back, becoming powerful, reclaiming lost territory, and reestablishing itself as a powerful entity.

Some choices include:
  • Western Roman Empire
  • Seleucid Empire
  • Eastern Roman Empire
  • Kingdom of Soissons
  • Mali Empire
  • Empire of Trebizond
  • Songhai Empire/Kingdom of Dendi
  • Majapahit
  • Sultanate of Rum
  • Southern Song
  • Southern Ming
  • Northern Yuan
  • Neo-Incan State
  • Mughal Empire
  • Swedish Empire
  • Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
  • (Insert choice here)
Would be interesting to do a Mongol Empire one in which the two eldest sons of Genghis Khan are forced by their father to settle their differences in a form of personal combat, with the winner becoming the next Great Khan (no choosing Ogedei as a compromise)
 
For the Western Roman Empire, several are possible.

>Unite the Imperial throne with the dynasty of one of the larger barbaric tribes, permitting some level of hybridization but also reorganization and resumption of taxation.

>Limit the Roman retreat. Northern Gaul is a loss, even before Chalons, but if they retreat *to* Britain or limit their abandonment to part/all of Gaul (and Britain) might make a lot more sense. Keeping Spain, northern Africa, and the major islands Roman would give them a base for reorganization and reconquest later.

>If they can hold Iberia then southern Gaul could be retaken quickly and perhaps held before the Plague of Justinian arrives. Superior sanitation will give Rome an edge when that plague does arrive and may spell the difference between a Visigothic Gaul and a Roman one.
 
Neo-Inca State might be possible fairly easily. They surrounded and besieged the Spanish at Cuzco and seem to have gotten fairly close to succeeding, maybe have the Spanish counterattack at Sacsayhuamán fails leading to the surrender of the besieged forces before reinforcements can arrive. Long-term success would probably depend on capturing Spanish horses, guns, ect. and learning how to utilize those effectively from captured prisoners.
 
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Neo-Inca State might be possible fairly easily. They surrounded and besieged the Spanish at Cuzco and seem to have gotten fairly close to succeeding, maybe have the Spanish counterattack at Sacsayhuamán fails leading to the surrender of the besieged forces before reinforcements can arrive. Long-term success would probably depend on capturing Spanish horses, guns, ect. and learning how to utilize those effectively from captured prisoners.
I think the only way to survive long term would be to convert to Christianity and have the Pope guarantee their security, like what happened to the Pagan kingdoms of Eastern Europe.
 
I think the only way to survive long term would be to convert to Christianity and have the Pope guarantee their security, like what happened to the Pagan kingdoms of Eastern Europe.
Papal edicts like the Treaty of Tordesillas didn't really impact colonial expansion, Portugal wasn't supposed to have colonies in the New World and Spain wasn't supposed to have any in most of the Old World but both countries ignored that. Since most conquistadors were in it for money, if the Incas are able to show that attacking them is more likely to result in your death than achieving those goals, they will focus on easier targets for the next few decades at least. It is pretty likely they would eventually convert to Christianity though, seeing as that happened to so many other countries OTL and it might make their existence more acceptable to Europe.
 
Next few decades. First, they would have to be able to defend themselves from roving expeditions. Then they would have to be able to defend against more professional Spanish forces.

On a related note, Maybe Majapat could survive by sucking up to the Portuguese?
 
Southern Ming: Koxinga captures Nanjing from the Qing in 1659. With the Yangtze under his control and a large fleet at his disposal, he sets up a Ming remnant state in south China, nominally led by the Yongli Emperor but really ruled by him, while the Qing control the north.

There's actually a (very old) TL on the subject, but it didn't go very far:

 
Mughal Empire: Shah Alam II defeats the British at the Battle of Buxar and kicks them out of Bengal. With a very wealthy province back under (loose) Imperial control and a desperately needed boost of military prestige, he is able to reform the army and the bureaucracy more effectively, as well as retake Punjab from the Durrani invaders.
 
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