a Valkyrie Rises Over Europe, a Alternate Story of the Cold War

Kaiser K

King of the Uzbeks said:
Above the Finland update
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Oh, I was referring to Binky's guest update with the whole surprise thing I was talking about.

Nalphnado said:
I can think of one possible light spot in the midst of the grimdark nature of TTL. With no Red Scare ITTL, the rights of consumers and workers alike could be much stronger movements, creating a safer, more equal America that looks similar to OTL Western Europe. With Communists as strategic US allies, some leftist ideals may enter the American mindset, thus creating an America that downplays the stubborn individualism, cutthroat competitiveness, and unchecked consumerism of OTL and embraces group mentality, mutual benefit, and co-operative business models.
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Hmm, that's a very valid and good point to raise, and one I had planned on (and probably still plan too) address in some form eventually, but in short form, I can and will say that this is indeed probably one of the few present bright spots within the midst of the disaster and chaos that is the Valkyrie-verse, as due to the alliance that the US has with Communist nations such as the Soviet Union and South Vietnam - and the military interventions that will occur down the line in these countries respective Civil Wars, will not only in all likelihood influence the United States and the general American public a great deal, but also likely cause some of the leftist ideals of these Communist countries to enter into the general American political mindset as well, and since Communism and Socialism (and subsequently, the ideals of these ideologies) don't have the same negative stigma against them as OTL; there is definitely a significantly greater chance for worker's and consumers rights to advance further in the United States then they did in OTL.

Of course, a significantly more left-wing (and possibly socially liberal) United States may end up causing an even greater backlash from Conservatives and the American right-wing in general down the line, even more so then the one that occurred in 1980 in OTL; so I would say that it is a very complicated waiting game to see just what exactly will happen on that front. At least that is what I personally think.
 

Kaiser K

Historyman 14 said:
How is life in Iceland? And how are things in Australia, Canada, and New Zealand?
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Life for citizens in the State of Iceland is.... shall we say - a bit of a complicated mess to say the least, for certain groups of peoples it is fine, such as the politically powerful and currently ruling American immigrant community - and the native Icelanders and Danish who within the higher rungs of the social ladder, for others, such as most of the native Icelandic populations, things are not so well.... good per say, especially as the continued immigration of Americans, and the subsequent Americanization of the island continues with each passing year.

It's somewhat colonial-esque in structure, and there's certainly a shit ton of resentment from the native Icelanders about and to the Americans (through Icelandic is the co-official language alongside English, so that's something), but I would say that in spite of that tension, that Iceland is around for the long haul as the member of the United States; but things are definitely tenuous on the island.

As for Australia, New Zealand and Canada, things are more or less somewhat similar to OTL in the grand scheme of things, through Australia and New Zealand are considerably more militarized then OTL, due to being extremely key members of the ACT Alliance due to their position in Asia, and subsequently are a key component of the United States current foreign policy regarding Asia; and their overall strategy for the region as a whole.
 
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Historyman 14

Historyman 14

Kaiser K said:
Life for citizens in the State of Iceland is.... shall we say - a bit of a complicated mess to say the least, for certain groups of peoples it is fine, such as the politically powerful and currently ruling American immigrant community - and the native Icelanders and Danish who within the higher rungs of the social ladder, for others, such as most of the native Icelandic populations, things are not so well.... good per say, especially as the continued immigration of Americans, and the subsequent Americanization of the island continues with each passing year.

It's somewhat colonial-esque in structure, and there's certainly a shit ton of resentment from the native Icelanders about and to the Americans (through Icelandic is the co-official language alongside English, so that's something), but I would say that in spite of that tension, that Iceland is around for the long haul as the member of the United States; but things are definitely tenuous on the island.

As for Australia, New Zealand and Canada, things are more or less somewhat similar to OTL in the grand scheme of things, through Australia and New Zealand are considerably more militarized then OTL, due to being extremely key members of the ACT Alliance due to their position in Asia, and subsequently are a key component of the United States current foreign policy regarding Asia; and their overall strategy for the region as a whole.
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Hmm. And Japan and Korea? How are things in thous two nations by 1960?
 

Kaiser K

Historyman 14 said:
Hmm. And Japan and Korea? How are things in thous two nations by 1960?
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Japan and Korea are infinitely more complicated then OTL, as while there is no North Korea ITTL, both countries (who happen to be US puppets as well) are key US military allies - due to their respective strategic locations right near the Soviet Union and China, making them the home of several key US military bases within East Asia; and the springboard for pretty much most of America's activities within the region as a whole.

Japan in particular is interesting, as the US is letting off on the military restrictions applied to Japan after the Second World War, and have begun clandestinely supporting a Japanese military rearmament due to the growing threat of China and the chaos in the Soviet Union, both of which have created the need for the security abilities of these nations to be increased, so that ACT may be better equipped to deal with the Chinese threat; and the situation in the USSR.
 
pieman97405

pieman97405

Kaiser K said:
It's somewhat colonial-esque in structure, and there's certainly a shit ton of resentment from the native Icelanders about and to the Americans (through Icelandic is the co-official language alongside English, so that's something), but I would say that in spite of that tension, that Iceland is around for the long haul as the member of the United States; but things are definitely tenuous on the island.
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Tenuous I believe as I think that would be the case for the first generation of any territory annexed by the United States in the 20th century. However once the 1990's come and the majority of the adults don't remember living in a non-American Iceland, their statehood will seem as normal as Oregon's. Now as long as we are on the subject of states, will Alaska be gaining a star on the flag soon?
 

arrowiv

Without the Red Scare, Tailgunner Joe McCarthy would be an obscure senator and if he wanted to become famous, he could choose universal health care as a major issue. As for Roy Cohn, he would just be another unknown lawyer.
 

Kaiser K

Ryan said:
is the UAR's ultimate territorial goal basically the modern day Arab league?
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Yes, the ultimate territorial goal for the United Arab Republic is more or less essentially the entirety of what comprises our Arab League (sans maybe Somalia, through Nasser does have more grandoise long term plans about eventually incorporating Somalia, Eritrea and other far flung territories linked to the Arab world; into the UAR are some later unspecified date), the essential and main goal of Pan-Arabism as an ideology is to unite the entire ethnic Arab/Arab-speaking world into one united nation state, and as a nation state that is based more or less around the Pan-Arabist ideology; the UAR's main long term goal is indeed to achieve said unity of the Arab world into one nation state (through, under Egyptian dominance; in this case).

pieman97405 said:
Tenuous I believe as I think that would be the case for the first generation of any territory annexed by the United States in the 20th century. However once the 1990's come and the majority of the adults don't remember living in a non-American Iceland, their statehood will seem as normal as Oregon's. Now as long as we are on the subject of states, will Alaska be gaining a star on the flag soon?
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Oh for sure, as historical precedent shows, many of of the territories annexed by the United States throughout it's history (at least ones that were significantly populated before hand that is) had periods of significant and brutal tension and unrest, before eventually calming down and being more or less "pacified" for the lack of a better word - once the next generation had reached maturity that is, however until that point where the next generation of already Americanized Icelanders reaches adulthood, the tension will be very real and very present, especially with the American immigrant community holding a stranglehold on business and politics; and Governor Robert McNamara continuing to run the state like his own personal fiefdom.

Things are not all bad in Iceland I would imagine however, but things are definitely not good for the time being at least.

As for whether Alaska will get a star on the flag soon, the answer would be yes; probably sometime in 60 or 61 I would imagine.

arrowiv said:
Without the Red Scare, Tailgunner Joe McCarthy would be an obscure senator and if he wanted to become famous, he could choose universal health care as a major issue. As for Roy Cohn, he would just be another unknown lawyer.
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Oh definitely, without the Red Scare, McCarthy and Cohn would have definitely not reached the same national prominence that they achieved in our own world during the Red Scare, I could see McCarthy being a decently respected and obscure Senator, while Cohn will probably continue a quiet career in Law back in New York; and maybe eventually run for Attorney General of New York or even Governor if he gets enough political clout.
 
Historyman 14

Historyman 14

Kaiser K said:
Hawaii is already a state, it was admitted in 1956, a year after Iceland; as apart of the compromise Stassen made with the Democrats in Congress to get them to agree to the annexation of Iceland in the first place.
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My bad. I forget stuff,but with Alaska, they be 51 stars. How would the flag look like?
 

Kaiser K

Stojan said:
How is Romania?
Also, I'm pretty sure I would never have been bornin this world.
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Most of us would have never been born in this world, just saying.

As for Romania, Prime Minister Antonescu has turned the country into his own personal fiefdom, the King's merely a puppet of Antonescu and the Iron Guard, who brutally rule the country with an iron fist, Romania is also staunch German ally, and a large supplier of oil and other natural resources to the Tripartite Pact as a whole; so she's doing okay economically for the most part (for now at least).
 

bolhabela

BeardedHoplite said:
Until the Hungarians get their land back!

(Unlikely given their oil I know but a Magyar can dream)
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OTL Romania was an oil exporter and ally of Germany but the Vienna award still hapened. Germany had never forgoten Romanias betrayer in the great war or its behavior after it. So yes a Magyar ca dream and this dream can become reality ( in this story at least )
 
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