a Valkyrie Rises Over Europe, a Alternate Story of the Cold War

I have a question about ethnical minorities...

Are they (Poles, Jews, Slavs and others) wandering in a (maybe very small) diaspora?

How are they ITTL?


There are fairly sizable diaspora's of said groups existing across the free world at this point. Including groups that existed before the War and groups that grew or formed after the end of the war. Particularly in the United States and Great Britain; there is a significantly large Slavic and Jewish diaspora that is only growing from immigrants coming from the Soviet Union and other parts of the world. In addition to those that manage to successfully escape Europe and make it to a safe haven in ACT influenced or controlled territory.

The overall situation is mixed depending on the locale and group. But the Polish diaspora is probably the worst off.
 
Here is a preview of the next update. Hypocrites and Liars


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PART 18
Hypocrites and Liars

Once the dust had parted on the destructive eleven day long uprising that rocked the German controlled General Government; the true catastrophe that had transpired was crystal clear to all of the parties involved. Laying dead among the ruins of cities such as Warschau, Litzmannstadt and Krakau were hundreds of thousands of Germans and Poles; both civilian and military. Who had perished in the chaotic and unprecedented scale of fighting that had occurred. In addition to the grave loss in human life. Billions of Reichsmarks in overall damages were suffered across the General Government; damage that would ultimately take the German government over a decade to repair. However. The true long term consequences would be the wrath brought upon the Polish civilian populace by the Germans as a result of the chaos of May 1953. Resulting in the death of over 100,000 Poles by the end of the year alone. And many more as the years passed.

Outside of Poland. One cannot truly discuss events within the Reich without looking at what was truly the most important part of the Reich's Empire. And that is Ukraine.

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Figure 1: The above is an example of a typical German propaganda poster published within the Reichskommissariat Ukraine during the 1950's. The above poster itself is a SS recruitment poster. Encouraging Ukrainian citizens to join their German "Brethren" in fighting "Bolshevik terrorists" by joining the SS.

Out of all of the great expanses and leagues of territory that Germany wrestled from the Soviet Union's control, none were more strategically or commercially important to the Reich than the Ukraine. The region, historically a part of the greater Russian nation state, had quickly became the indisputable centerpiece of the Third Reich's new eastern empire. Its resource-rich and fertile agricultural lands provided the Germans with an average yearly output of 8 to 10 million tonnes of grain and other food crops to fulfill the food needs of the German civilian populace, and many other natural resources such as natural gases and various rare minerals.

Despite the widespread successes of many of the Reich's resource exploitation programs in Ukraine, however, the overall output of all industrial and agricultural production within the region would end up taking a significant nosedive during the early 1950's. This loss in productivity was ultimately caused by various mitigating factors, one of them being continued local unrest from both the disenfranchised Ukrainian civilian populace and the Russian locals in the eastern parts of the Reichskommissariat. Otherwise, the greatest of any factors was widespread bureaucratic mismanagement and brutality on the part of Reichskommissar Erich Koch and the Rowno administration, particularly in their infamous "Land Redistribution Campaign" of the early 1950's. The campaign, originally conceived as a way to encourage potential colonists to settle in the Ukraine and the Generalbezirk Gotenland by providing settlers with ample free land and housing opportunities, wound up backfiring extensively on the Germans. Instead; the campaign would result in a poorly managed at best and sinisterly corrupt at worst confiscation of Slavic owned farmland. Coupled with extensive droughts suffered by the region throughout the decade, as well as a serious drop in external finance and other governmental support, this ultimately led to a sharp decline in agricultural exports, long the backbone of Ukraine's exporting sector. This ultimately cost the Reich billions of Reichsmarks in overall losses and left many German farms and factories in the region, and the region as a whole, suffering in the long term.
 
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PART 18
Hypocrites and Liars

Once the dust had parted on the destructive eleven day long uprising that rocked the German controlled General Government; the true catastrophe that had transpired was crystal clear to all of the parties involved. Laying dead among the ruins of cities such as Warschau, Litzmannstadt and Krakau were hundreds of thousands of Germans and Poles; both civilian and military. Who had perished in the chaotic and unprecedented scale of fighting that had occurred. In addition to the grave loss in human life. Billions of Reichsmarks in overall damages were suffered across the General Government; damage that would ultimately take the German government over a decade to repair. However. The true long term consequences would be the wrath brought upon the Polish civilian populace by the Germans as a result of the chaos of May 1953. Resulting in the death of over 100,000 Poles by the end of the year alone. And many more as the years passed.

Outside of Poland. One cannot truly discuss events within the Reich without looking at what was truly the most important part of the Reich's Empire. And that is Ukraine.

Recruiting-for-the-14th-SS-1st-Ukrainian-division.jpg

Figure 1: The above is an example of a typical German propaganda poster published within the Reichskommissariat Ukraine during the 1950's. The above poster itself is a SS recruitment poster. Encouraging Ukrainian citizens to join their German "Brethren" in fighting "Bolshevik terrorists" by joining the SS.

Out of all of the great expanses and leagues of territory that Germany wrestled from the Soviet Union's control, none were more strategically or commercially important to the Reich than the Ukraine. The region, historically a part of the greater Russian nation state, had quickly became the indisputable centerpiece of the Third Reich's new eastern empire. Its resource-rich and fertile agricultural lands provided the Germans with an average yearly output of 8 to 10 million tonnes of grain and other food crops to fulfill the food needs of the German civilian populace, and many other natural resources such as natural gases and various rare minerals.

However; despite the widespread successes of many of the Reich's resource exploitation programs in Ukraine. The overall output of all industrial and agricultural production within the region would end up taking a significant nosedive during the early 1950's. This loss in productivity was ultimately caused by various mitigating factors, one of these being continued local unrest from both the disenfranchised Ukrainian civilian populace and the Russian locals in the eastern parts of the Reichskommissariat. While the unrest did grave damage to German activities in the region; the greatest of all factors was the widespread bureaucratic mismanagement and brutality on the part of Reichskommissar Erich Koch and the Rowno administration, particularly in their infamous "Land Redistribution Campaign" of the early 1950's. The campaign; originally conceived as a way to encourage potential colonists to settle in the Ukraine and the Generalbezirk Gotenland by providing settlers with ample free land and housing opportunities would wind up backfiring extensively on the Germans. Instead of the planned 20% growth in the annual harvest estimated by authorities in Rowno; the campaign would end up resulting in what was a poorly managed at best and sinisterly corrupt at worst confiscation of Slavic owned farmland. This; coupled with extensive droughts suffered by the region throughout the decade. In addition to a serious drop in external finance and other governmental support would ultimately lead to a sharp decline in agricultural exports, long the backbone of Ukraine's exporting sector. This ultimately would cost Berlin billions of Reichsmarks in overall losses and would leave not only many German farms and factories. But the region as a whole suffering in the long term.

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Figure 2: Erich Koch; Most famous for serving as the "Reichskommissar of Ukraine" from his appointment in 1941 to his dismissal by Speer 13 years later.

As the economic and strategic reports from within Ukraine trickled back to the Chancellery in Berlin. Many within the German government began wondering if the need to reconsider previous government stances regarding the Ukrainians would becoming increasingly imminent. Under the Reich's "Nuremberg Laws"; updated by the Reichstag in 1948. The Ukrainians were classified as "Untermensch" or sub-humans. And thus "racially inferior" to the "superior" Aryan Germans and unworthy of their life. Despite this official classification. The deteriorating economic situation within Ukraine soon forced many top German government officials to consider the possibility that a policy of assimilation or rather; Aryanization of the local populace would be more logical and economically sound for the long term stability of German control then the current policy of extermination. The idea was however surprisingly not a new one within German circles. Several top officials; chief among them racial theorist Alfred Rosenberg; had expressed similar ideas regarding the Ukrainians in prior years. They however found themselves ramming into the toothbrush mustached brick wall that was Adolf Hitler; a uncompromising hard-line ideologue who refused to consider the validity of other ideas. Even if it meant ultimately causing long term economic instability for both the Ukraine and Germany as a whole.

Of course. Hitler at this point had long been dead, And Germany was now under the rule of a different and more compromising leader. While Albert Speer was indeed what you call a committed Nazi ideologue. He was not a hardliner along the lines of Hitler or even Reichskommissar Koch. Speer was ultimately a German patriot at first and a National Socialist at second; who while definitely committed to the party doctrine. Was personally not against edging off the course of said party doctrine if it ultimately meant long term stability and security for the Reich. So when the yearly economic reports from Ukraine for the period of 1954-1955 arrived on his desk in Berlin. Speer became increasingly concerned with the severity of the situation in Ukraine. And sought out to try and find a way to rectify the problem. Before 1954; Speer had generally preferred to take a hands off approach to the Incorporated Eastern Territories. Letting his assortment of governmental ministers and the various Reichskommissar's themselves handle the day to day affairs of operations in the East. Speer quickly regretted this policy as he learned the true nature of the widespread corruption and greed running rampant in Erich Koch's administration in Rowno. Furious; Speer immediately called Koch to Berlin. Where he unceremoniously dismissed the "Butcher of Rowno" from his post as Reichskommissar of Ukraine. Immediately appointing Ludolf von Alvensleben; a high ranking SS-Gruppenführer and former Chief of Police Forces in the Generalbezirk Gotenland in place of the dismissed Koch.

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Figure 3: A group of Ukrainian SS officers (members of the 2. SS-Ukrainisch Freiwilligen Legion) inspect the credentials of a Russian man in Dnjepropetrowsk, Ukraine. circa 1957.

Almost immediately after Alvensleben's appointment. Speer ordered the new Ukrainian Reichskommissar to introduce a set of reforms that Speer hope would rejuvenate the slumping economy of the Ukraine. Chief among these were large scale agrarian reforms in what Speer called "The Agrarian New Order". Similar to a set of reforms proposed by Alfred Rosenberg in 1942; The "New Order" called for the abolishment of both the "Gemeindwirtschaften" (German Communal Farms) that had been established during the early years of the war; in addition to the state enterprise farm systems that Koch had established later as rewards for his political allies. In place of the former systems. The new legislation called for the immediate redistribution of farm land across the entirety of the Ukraine to not only German settler families that had resided in the Reichskommissariat; but Ukrainian families as well. Provided of course that said families were willing to collaborate with the German regime. Speer also introduced a pair of additional measures; the first measure introduced limited forms of religious liberty; while the other set of measures would became the more famous "Aryanization Protocol Act of 1955". Which established new protocols that would introduce the opportunity for many ethnic Ukrainians to quote on quote "integrate into mainstream society"; That is to say in short words. "Abandon" their Ukrainian heritage and culture and undergo a process of "Germanization". Which; if deemed successful by German authorities. Would result in the person being granted full German citizenship and the same rights held by all "ethnically sound" citizens of the Reich. Such as the right to serve in the German military, join the Nazi Party and own their own property.

Most Ukrainians that choose to undergo the process of Germanization did so as a means to a end to not only protect themselves and their families from governmental reprisal; but ultimately give their children better lives in the long term then they would have if they had chosen to continue to defy the Nazi regime's policies. Lest they suffer the fate that many of their fellow countrymen before them had suffered as a result of German brutality. Many did however choose to undergo the process out of an actual desire on their part to serve their "Führer"; usually earning the moniker of Гонка Зрадник (Honka Zradnyk; or Race Traitor) from fellow Ukrainians. Those that outright refused to undergo the process of Germanization often would flee and join underground partisan efforts, or lest they end up arrested and shipped off to internment and concentration camps in the West as slave laborers and indentured servants as many of their brethren had before; and would after the introduction of the new German measures.

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Figure 4: Members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army; the armed wing of the anti-German "Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists" pose for a photo somewhere along the river Dnieper River; circa, 1958

In the long term; Speer and Alvensleben's reforms would end up successfully reversing much of the stagnation in Ukraine's economy that had occurred in the early part of the decade as a result of Koch's mismanagement. Within 3 years of the introduction of the new land reform measures; The annual output of the yearly harvest increased by over 200% percent. Bringing in additional 4 million tonnes of grain and other food crops to the tables of the Reich's citizens yearly. As well as a additional income of 3.5 billion Reichsmarks to the Rowno government. And the Reich as a whole itself. The new measures; particularly the Aryanization Protocols also did much to decrease overall dissent from the local population within Ukraine. Even if said decrease was partly as a result of the Ukrainian populace's general fear of what dissent would bring upon them in the form of German governmental reprisals. This of course this did mean that the Ukrainian people had given up and submitted to German rule. That was as far from the actual truth as you could get. The underground Ukrainian resistance was in fact one of the largest resistance movements in all of occupied Europe; commanding the loyalty of over 6 million fighters by 1960. Including many ethnic Byelorussians and Tatars. Chief among the various groups of the Ukrainian resistance movement was the duly named "Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists"; which conducted various passive and aggressive operations within the boundaries of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine with the assistance and support of not only much of the civilian populace. But the governments of both the Soviet Union and the United States as well. The armed wing of the OUN. The "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" was the main force of the OUN's guerilla operations. Conducting various missions that ranged from raiding German and collaborator owned farms and burning crops. Attacking German political buildings, post offices, workplaces and civilian establishments within Ukraine. Raiding German railways and attacking supply lines. All in a effort to destabilize German control of the Ukraine and cause widespread morale loss among the Germans. The OUN's operations killed over 300 Germans alone during the latter half of the decade. Most of them civilians who perished as a effect of OUN attacks on German civilian establishments in Ukraine.

Ultimately. The overall situation of the Ukraine under the German administration in Rowno was. At least compared to overall more simplistic and barbaric conditions seen elsewhere in the Reich's Eastern Territories; Was what you could say a complicated matter. The extensively complex web of cooperation and collaboration between the German and the Ukrainian, the so called "schizophrenic" racial policies enacted by the German government. And the relative calm that was showcased came largely as a result of two things; grain and resources. The needs of the German government to keep both the region and it's economy stable had ultimately ending up forcing them to abandon much of their racial mantra and adopt policy fit to meet the reality on the ground. And by accepting the Ukrainian people; at least those willing to be "accepted". Into to the greater "Aryan racial family". The Germans had hoped that it would bring long term stability to not only the Ukraine; but ultimately forever cement German dominance over the region. The new policies had even greater and largely unintended consequences for the Ukrainians. As those who "assimilated" to protect themselves, those that "assimilated" out of a true political desire to work for the Reich and their Führer. And those that chose neither right and continued the fight for freedom found themselves increasingly at odds and divisions. Ultimately creating divisions among the Ukrainian people that potentially could never be healed. Even if Ukraine were to one day win her freedom from the tyranny of the German Reich.
 
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Well that wasn't as bad as I expected it would be. Glad to see at least some relaxation and change in the Nazi Racial laws that aren't geared towards killing people even if it's still geared toward killing their culture.
 
Well that wasn't as bad as I expected it would be. Glad to see at least some relaxation and change in the Nazi Racial laws that aren't geared towards killing people even if it's still geared toward killing their culture.


Of course. One must remember that this change in policy is not of any true moral prerogative or feeling from Speer or any of the Nazi government officials. The Aryanization Acts are rooted in pure economic necessity and need for the Reich. As well as the need to keep Ukraine stable so the crops and resources continue to trickle in. Which ties back into the economic aspect of these new measures.

The long term overall goal of the Reich in Ukraine is still the complete and utter Germanization/Aryanization of the region and the eradication of every single ounce of native Ukrainian culture. The cemention of the Reich's "Neue Ordung" over the East forever. The Germans have just decided that the Ukrainian people can live to be apart of this new order. As long as they forever swear loyalty to the Reich and adopt German culture and language in place of their "inferior" native culture.

Of course. These new policies; unintentionally on the behalf of the Germans. Have given the Ukrainians renewed hope. That they may come out of the tyranny of the German jackboot one day and live to be a independent peoples finally. "The Dream" of a people you could say. And that is probably the most important part of the whole situation.
 
Even if Ukraine were to one day win her freedom from the tyranny of the German Reich.

Eternal Reich alert! Eternal Reich alert! This ist nicht ein drill! :eek:

Nah, I'm kidding. :p

Rather odd to see that the Nazi exploitation of Ukraine seems to be less flagrantly bloodthirsty than the Soviet Union's was, but then again, it's difficult to top the Holodomor. Will be seeing the treatment of the conquered areas of Russia and the Caucasus next?
 
Eternal Reich alert! Eternal Reich alert! This ist nicht ein drill! :eek:

Nah, I'm kidding. :p

Rather odd to see that the Nazi exploitation of Ukraine seems to be less flagrantly bloodthirsty than the Soviet Union's was, but then again, it's difficult to top the Holodomor. Will be seeing the treatment of the conquered areas of Russia and the Caucasus next?

Ha ha ha!; good one. Fortunately. The chance that the Reich lasts a 1000 years like a certain toothbrush mustacheioed Austrian once proclaimed is about as likely as John Wayne marrying Ronald Reagan and having a litter of Conservative Republican babies. Thus translating to no chance in hell. Or as the Nazis might prefer; Valhalla. :p

I suppose the situation in the Ukraine here is really a case of showing that even the necessity's of reality can force even the most twistedly moral of men to shove aside ideology for long term stability and gain. Such as the Nazis have done here by abandoning their extermination policies in Ukraine for the long term gains of economic growth and stability in addition to the political stability that they will (relatively) get by bringing in the Ukrainian civilians to the "Aryan fold" rather then throwing them all into gas chambers. Of course. This change of heart ultimately doesn't make the Nazis any less wicked then they were before. It just makes them more pragmatic and cautious about the needs of the long term. Which is the entire reason these new measures were pushed forward by Speer and Reichskommissar Alvensleben.

But yes. We will indeed be turning our attention to the overall situations in the other Reichskommissariat's. Ostland, Moskowien and Kaukasus next. Before returning back to the more worldwide issues of this crap sack of a world.
 
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OTL the Nazis had an aryanization program where young Polish & other children who were adequately "aryan" looking were taken away to be raised in German household as Germans. Obviously here that program will be even more aggressive. With the Ukranians you may see a combination of this with "uncooperative" Ukranians, with those that sign up to be aryanized, you'll see the children rapidly be Germanized.

Don't forget the planned Germanization of other Aryans like Scandanavians, Dutch, Flemish.

IMO by the early 1950s you'll have a BIG gap between "aryans" and non in the east, and complete elimination of local languages, literature, education.
 
Ha ha ha!; good one. Fortunately. The chance that the Reich lasts a 1000 years like a certain toothbrush mustacheioed Austrian once proclaimed is about as likely as John Wayne marrying Ronald Reagan and having a little of Conservative Republican babies. Thus translating to no chance in hell. Or as the Nazis might prefer; Valhalla. :p

I suppose the situation in the Ukraine here is really a case of showing that even the necessity's of reality can force even the most twistedly moral of men to shove aside ideology for long term stability and gain. Such as the Nazis have done here by abandoning their extermination policies in Ukraine for the long term gains of economic growth and stability in addition to the political stability that they will (relatively) get by bringing in the Ukrainian civilians to the "Aryan fold" rather then throwing them all into gas chambers. Of course. This change of heart ultimately doesn't make the Nazis any less wicked then they were before. It just makes them more pragmatic and cautious about the needs of the long term. Which is the entire reason these new measures were pushed forward by Speer and Reichskommissar Alvensleben.

But yes. We will indeed be turning our attention to the overall situations in the other Reichskommissariat's. Ostland, Moskowien and Kaukasus next. Before returning back to the more worldwide issues of this crap sack of a world.

Nazis would love it in Valhalla. Hel's too good for them though. I suppose we ought to be glad it didn't go full grimdark, but any economic system based primarily on exploitation is going nowhere fast once central control is rescinded (case study: almost all of post-colonial Africa).

Reichskomissariat Moskowien and Kaukasus are going to plunge us straight into grimdark though, aren't they? :(
 
I always thought the Ukrainians would be an obvious target for collaboration with the Nazis of all the Slavs - the combination of the propaganda usage from the Holodomor, and that given Nazi racial policies, they could be written off as Aryans thanks to the Kievan Rus.

Glad to see the Ukranians are still resisting somewhat though!
 

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This new direction for the Reich will definitely help to stabilize things and perhaps create something semi-sustainable to last until the alt-1989. I'm not sure whether the discontinuation of extermination or the encouragement of assimilation will help or hurt the prospects of the eastern European nations reforming their cultures post-war. Probably it will be good though, considering that there absolutely will be those who assimilate but still pass on and keep alive their old cultures underground just as many Jews and Poles did IOTL.

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet, but I think a good proof-read would help with grammar mistakes. In particular I notice the use of periods in lieu of commas.
 
I think you may be mistaken on Reich broadcasting. Most of the films and radio that the National socialist produced were entertainment only a small percent hand was direct propaganda.
to keep you audience you need to keep the people entertained first.

Goals of the Nazi film policy

Goebbels, who appointed himself "Patron of the German film", assumed, accurately, that a national cinema which was entertaining and put glamour on the government would be a more effective propaganda instrument than a national cinema in which the NSDAP and their policy would have been ubiquitous. The main goal of the Nazi film policy was to promote escapism, which was designed to distract the population and to keep everybody in good spirits; Goebbels indeed blamed defeat in World War I on the failure to sustain the morale of the people.[1] The open propaganda was reserved for films like Der Sieg des Glaubens and Triumph des Willens, records of the Nuremberg rallies, and newsreels. There are some examples of German feature films from the Third Reich that deal with the NSDAP or with party organizations such as the Sturmabteilung, Hitler Youth or the National Labour Service, one notable example being Hitlerjunge Quex (film) about the Hitler Youth. Another example is the anti-semitic feature film Jew Suss. The propaganda films that refer directly to Nazi politics amounted to less than a sixth of the whole national film production, which mainly consisted of light entertainment films, although it is those propaganda films that are much more well known today, such as Triumph of the Will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_cinema#Goals_of_the_Nazi_film_policy
 
I'll get to responding to everyone's posts soon enough. But I will start with these two from you BELFAST first.

Is William Joyce(lord Haw Haw) still broadcasting in Berlin?

Yes. Lord Haw Haw is still broadcasting on the "Frie-Radio Briten". The Reich's propaganda service in the United Kingdom.

I think you may be mistaken on Reich broadcasting. Most of the films and radio that the National socialist produced were entertainment only a small percent hand was direct propaganda.
to keep you audience you need to keep the people entertained first.


I don't understand what you mean by this. The majority of the programming on Reich Central Television; German radio stations and movie theaters across the Reich is indeed mostly just pure entertainment. And the majority of it is stuff that wouldn't necessarily be out of place on the airwaves of the BBC or CBS.
 
I'll get to responding to everyone's posts soon enough. But I will start with these two from you BELFAST first.



Yes. Lord Haw Haw is still broadcasting on the "Frie-Radio Briten". The Reich's propaganda service in the United Kingdom.




I don't understand what you mean by this. The majority of the programming on Reich Central Television; German radio stations and movie theaters across the Reich is indeed mostly just pure entertainment. And the majority of it is stuff that wouldn't necessarily be out of place on the airwaves of the BBC or CBS.

I must have misread what you posted.
 
Getting around to these posts now. Sorry for the wait.

Re: Three Steps to a Successful Indoctrination of you're Test Subject

OTL the Nazis had an aryanization program where young Polish & other children who were adequately "aryan" looking were taken away to be raised in German household as Germans. Obviously here that program will be even more aggressive. With the Ukranians you may see a combination of this with "uncooperative" Ukranians, with those that sign up to be aryanized, you'll see the children rapidly be Germanized.

Don't forget the planned Germanization of other Aryans like Scandanavians, Dutch, Flemish.

IMO by the early 1950s you'll have a BIG gap between "aryans" and non in the east, and complete elimination of local languages, literature, education.

Ah yes. The infamous children's campaign. They are of course the main basis for the new Aryanization Programs being enacted in the Ukraine and the other Reichskommissariats by the Germans here. Of course; at least in Ukraine anyways. It's definitely going to be way more aggressive then ever before. Considering that these specific programs; unlike previous attempts at Aryanization by the Germans. Is being aimed at more or less an entire nation of people (at least those that don't meet some other undesirable criteria such as being Jewish or disabled; etc.) Instead of just those with the specific "desirable racial characteristics" as was before. Meaning there is a much greater possibility that it could ultimately backfire on the Reich. As well as a much greater need to enforce it and make sure it doesn't backfire back on them.

The Aryanization campaigns in the West in contrast are going to be relatively mild compared to those enacted in the East. Mostly as you consider the fact that the people's in the West are already. As per German racial policies. "Half way to the end product" by already being of Aryan blood. Ultimately meaning there is considerably less work that needs to be done in the eyes of the Germans to say; Aryanize a Dane or a Dutchman compared to Aryanizing a Latvian or Ukrainian.


The Economics of Valhalla

Nazis would love it in Valhalla. Hell's too good for them though. I suppose we ought to be glad it didn't go full grimdark, but any economic system based primarily on exploitation is going nowhere fast once central control is rescinded (case study: almost all of post-colonial Africa).

Reichskomissariat Moskowien and Kaukasus are going to plunge us straight into grimdark though, aren't they? :(

Oh yes. Very much so. Valhalla is the great hall of Nordic and Germanic gods after all; putting it right up the alley of regular ole fanatical party member #2,000,000 or Joe Schmo SS shock trooper's blood spilling Teutonic Knight war fantasies. And shit... The Nazis might just be too dangerous for Hell anyway. Seeing as they would probably just come in and conquer it so they could turn it into more lebensraum! :eek:

As for reality and the economic side of things. Agreeable there. It is nice. Even if Ukraine is ultimately in the grander scheme of things a small, small bright spot in a bubbling pit of darkness and despair that is the German controlled East. It's still one that exists. And any hope is hope that must be clung onto like a handle on a train.

As for Moskowien and Kaukasus...... Let's just say things could be going... better. For the lack of a better word.


Re: Collaboration and Resistance

I always thought the Ukrainians would be an obvious target for collaboration with the Nazis of all the Slavs - the combination of the propaganda usage from the Holodomor, and that given Nazi racial policies, they could be written off as Aryans thanks to the Kievan Rus.

Glad to see the Ukranians are still resisting somewhat though!

I can't say I blame you're train of thought on the idea. The whole thing is rather a more sensible long term economic and strategic move for the Germans then if they were to just continue doing what they had been doing before (Well... sensible for Nazis at least). The idea of trying to co-opt the Ukrainians even has OTL precedent since more then a few German officials in our own timeline actually did try and convince Hitler to enact policies to encourage collaboration and cooperation between Germans and Ukrainians (Alfred Rosenberg chief among them; a man who among other things supported the end of Collective Farms).

Hitler being who he was of course refused to listen to these proposals. But with Speer in charge. His ears were more receptive; and that coupled with dire economic situation in Ukraine has now led to these change of thought within German circles.

As for the continuing resistance against the Germans from the Ukrainian underground. There is a old mantra that describes the situation well. And that is of course. We have not perished yet; so long as we still live!. That is true of everything now under the jackboot of the German giant. The Nazis will not have claimed them as long as they still live. And there are still men and women who will fight and die to purge their motherlands from the German tyrant.
 
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