A History of the Oungrikos Dynasty of Roman Emperors: The Six Emperors – 1180 to 1330

Will you end this TL after 1330? I think it would be better if you kept this TL running for a few more centuries.

True. As the Spanish countries are still engaged in the Reconquista, maybe the ERE helps them in exchange for gains in Italy and Lybia possibly?

No we can carry on for as long as I've got steam for. I've got ideas all the way up to the 19th century on this one! It gets really wacky butterfly wise after the Napoleonic Wars though but you can glide fairly smooth until then.

By the 1300s Spain has mostly wrapped up on the Peninsula. Only Granada remains. From the map I see Aragon holds lands in Naples, something that'll irk Rhomania even now. Rhomania will be supporting Crusaders in Tunis I suspect and trying to influence the military orders increasingly reliant upon it for there assets. This means Rhoman influence in Malta and Sicily following the Sicilian Vespers.
 
I wonder if the Catholic-Orthodox rivalry will be the deciding factor that gets countries to discover the Americas.

This will be a side concern really. Even though the Palaiologos are more solidly pro-Orthodox they aren't really ones to pursue ecclesiastical conflict. The Iberians will still resent the Rhomans due to their trade advantage and conflicting goals when the HRE falls under Spain.
 
Point of Interest
Made a new thread-mark for this. I feel the need to flashback to earlier points in the timeline and clarify certain events I've learnt of from this era of history that would effect the ATL. I've identified the exploits of one Stefan Nemanja, Grand Prince of Serbia (r.1166-1196) as being influential in events early in the reign of Bela-Alexios I.

I link an important section of his wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Nemanja#Grand_prince

In that section it detail Nemanja's conflicts with Manuel Komnenos and his later fealty to him. However in OTL after Manuel's death in 1180 he revoked fealty to the Empire and actually made an alliance with Bela in Hungary who initially helped him in his wars in the Balkans! Of course in this ATL Bela is the successor of Manuel and the new Emperor so Nemanja finds himself in an Imperial Sandwich between Hungary and Rhomania. I think he'd be better behaved in this scenario and not embark on a foolish venture along too many fronts. The Prince of the Serbs would be most likely to back Bela as Emperor, and be ideally located to do so, against any native threats in exchange for receiving his privileges as a Grand Prince intact. Nemanja strikes me as one of history's more competent rulers and in OTL sewed the seeds of the Serbian Empire as the ERE fell to pieces... This means the Grand Principality would have some staying power within the Empire if future leaders were as smart as him.

In 1204 when the Brothers War is waged between Emerikos and Andros his successor, also Stefan (r.1196-1228) could back a side, maybe Andros who would offer him more privileges. In the long run it could be a minor constituent nation of the Empire with a similar relationship that Jerusalem or the Cumans have.
 
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More accurate revised version of the 1300 map with light shades of the Empire being Vassal Kingdoms and Principalities.

These are:
The Grand Principality of Serbia
The Armenian Principalities
The Cuman Principalities
The Kingdom of Jerusalem

Not really visible autonomous regions include:
Mount Athos
The Principality of Hamamshen

The rest of the Empire is administered into divisions of Themes. This includes Hungary by 1300, probably fully established in the 1280s. Hungary still has it's own Palatine who is appointed by the Emperor to attend to specifically Hungarian affairs.

Not all of the autonomous vassals of c.1300 will remain so over the centuries. Some will be incorporated fully into the Empire eventually or be released or lost (maybe just for a time). New autonomies will also be created as an internal compromise or for administrative efficiency as the frontiers of the Empire ebb and flows and new areas are added to it.
 
Will there be a Ghassanid resurgence in the Levant?

EDIT: Or some sort of semi-independent Arab state, I think the old Ghassans might be long gone.
 
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nice work and question has the empire developed its own type of architecture

I do love architecture and Byzantine architecture is probably one of the worlds most enduring schools. I live in the UK and most of our new houses are built in a Byzantine inspired style! Those cream and orange bricks, reminiscent of the Theodosian Walls :)

I would like to think the school continues its development in a revived, prosperous empire and on a scale impossible in OTL due to decline. Many of these later Byzantine structures would be built in the Levant, Egypt and of course Hungary. Not sure specifically how this architecture would develop and what influences it would have. It'll likely take inspiration from East and West given the spread of the Empire.
 
Will there be a Ghassanid resurgence in the Levant?

The people you call Ghassanids would be composing many of the Christian Hill communities in the Levant by the 1200s. They'd be subjects of the Empire or Jerusalem. Most of the desert dwellers between the Levant and Iraq would be Muslim Bedouins probably.
 
The people you call Ghassanids would be composing many of the Christian Hill communities in the Levant by the 1200s. They'd be subjects of the Empire or Jerusalem. Most of the desert dwellers between the Levant and Iraq would be Muslim Bedouins probably.
Weren't the rulers of the KOJ French? I assume there'd be some lasting French influences?
 
Weren't the rulers of the KOJ French? I assume there'd be some lasting French influences?

Yeah these connections would still be relevant by 1300. I would think the KoJ would definitely Hellenise over time though or absorb a local language which might be a creole of Romance, Greek and Aramaic maybe spiced with Armenian. All these groups would influences.

Speaking of Armenians, I'm wondering if Armenian Cilicia should be an autonomy as of 1300, it might last longer until ER protection than OTL.
 
Weren't the rulers of the KOJ French? I assume there'd be some lasting French influences?
The First Crusade was largely though not entirely French nobles and their various commoner retainers--but Baldwin and presumably a substantial number of knights and commoners were Flemish. French was the dominant language and I suppose the universal one by later generations. And the native Middle Eastern people dealing with the Latins generally called them all "Franks"--"Ferengi." Italians were involved in a shipping/sea power role. Germans and English showed up in later crusades and the former established their own Crusader Order, the Teutonic Knights, but they mostly diverted later to Christianizing violently in Lithuania.

Perhaps too, English speakers might have a distorted concept of how French "Outremer" (that is, OverSeas, in French) was due to their own lords in the period having a Norman and latermore generically western French identity.

Given ongoing Rhoman power with the Latin sphere having moderately good relations--meaning the conflict might be pretty hot on some frontiers in Europe, but overall the Latin powers and Papacy are resolved to keep diplomatic channels open and some Latin states have excellent relations with the Empire (author has suggested a tendency for France in particular to play off an Eastern alliance against Germanic HRE pretensions)--as long as the KoJ remains viable on its own terms, no major dynastic civil wars or the like, no blowups with ethnic/sectarian rivalries, there will be a cultural balance between ongoing infusions of Latin contact and the importance of Eastern positive military support, which I suppose boils down to Imperial forces present to shore up the combined Latin power of the Kingdom's own urban-based knights and their supporting commoner infantry/specialists (who might be a mix of Roman Catholic, Orthodox, other Christian and perhaps peoples neither Christian nor Muslim, and conceivably loyalist Muslim and perhaps Jewish persons) plus the Roman Catholic knightly Orders (who are somewhat independent of Royal command I suppose--generally following a common policy and their envoys at the court having of course major input and guidance of Royal military and diplomatic policy--if an Order gets severely out of line that is a crisis). Waves of Crusaders coming in, particularly if the Popes coordinate with the Rhoman emperors in calling for Crusades, can be viewed as auxiliary Kingdom reinforcements, though they'd tend to be pretty unruly in lots of ways, hopefully with properly designed strategies in situations they will accept being routed in wherever their assets are most advantageous and where they will do least harm to the ongoing Kingdom institutions and diplomatic game plan. With this sort of composite force structure, the Latin high command of King and high nobles with strong ongong Western affiliations, and the Western supported Orders (with infusions of financial resources from their western chapters, some of the Orders played major roles in developing more advanced international finance and banking, plus of course I presume recruiting their Brothers mostly from Western nations) have a balance of power versus Imperial pretensions, but being dependent on the Rhoman component of force, which is allied in this model but quite independent, the Emperor if offended enough being perfectly capable of pulling them out or if the opportunity presents, turning them against the Latins to try to take over the territory directly, the Kingdom's interest is to keep relations with Constantinople very civil.

Now I have limited faith in the stability of a monarchy! The KoJ OTL seemed to be rather shrewdly arranged constitutionally, and somewhat robust against misrule, but sooner or later a dynastic succession is going to misfire with bad kings or fratricidal rivalries. The interleaved Rhoman presence may be a useful backup against this, especially if the Kingdom has an elective principle in selecting the heir (I don't recall, and generally even a kingdom with such an arrangement tends to devolve to a family succession as the elective principle gives traction to factionalists). The flip side of the Rhomans being backup to an astute consensus that a given heir or current monarch would work out badly and needs to be removed in favor of someone better suited is it gives the Rhomans leverage to manipulate dynastic crises to their advantage.

We might suppose that sooner or later, the Kingdom goes rotten and the Rhomans might then step in to incorporate it, shift the cultural balance of power toward Orthodoxy (they'd be unwise to persecute the Latins wholesale of course) and I suppose at that point the cultural and diplomatic circulation with the western sphere largely dries up, which makes the Imperial run Theme or whatever it becomes easier for the Rhomans to direct as they please, but also cuts off backup parallel support; the Empire has to shoulder the whole burden of maintaining control at its own expense entirely. Pretty much anyway, there might, depending on the circumstances, be ongoing Order support and on the inter-state diplomatic level allies in the West might still have a strong interest in helping out, maybe. It might be most astute for the Rhomans to gently intervene in Kingdom dynastic struggles and maintain the Latin nominal rule.

Meanwhile, the Empire is also a monarchy and the dynasties cannot keep rolling sixes. Sooner or later the Empire itself will go into times of trouble; hopefully for the stability of Christian dominance in Palestine this does not coincide with the Latin Kingdom also going rotten, or if Imperial takeover has already happened, the importance of keeping up the watch on the Levant leaves the region adequately strong despite serious disruption of Imperial power elsewhere.

I do think that the likely scenario is that the Muslims will be back in force at some point. For the moment the Ilkhanate is an ally but I think it is likely to be overthrown and eventually replaced with a strong resurgent Muslim order, possibly Shi'ite. Perhaps I underestimate how well the Ilkhans can Christianize their basically Persian-Mesopotamian zone--I do think Christianity will have hard sledding in Persia, but maybe if the remnant Zoroastrians can be converted and the various diverse "Nazarene" sects previously tolerated more or less united under the Khan's new brand of doctrine and organization, there might be a Christian plurality there, and possibly Mesopotamia will Christianize in larger percentages. But I also think that if this does happen, the political alliance between Constantinople and the Christianized Persian zone will deteriorate, perhaps with some domestic Persian or Kurdish or whatever dynasty that remains Christian overthrowing the Khanate, perhaps the Khans themselves assimilating over time as Normans did to England and sooner or later, under Christian or Muslim banners, the region turns back to the perennial struggle. Under either sectarian rubric, there will someday be hostile pressure from the East.

Note that if the Middle Eastern power is not Muslim, I believe the desert peoples of the Arabian zone will still remain Muslim and if both great northern rivals are Christian, might opportunistically align with one or another as the situation shifts, and perhaps act against both if they mutually weaken each other, hearkening back to the original jihad in which Arabian power overwhelmed both Rhomans and Persians back in the 7th and 8th centuries. It is not going to be easy for Christian Rhome, the Koranic ancient enemy Rum, to subdue the Arabian Red Sea coast, which currently ITTL is under Yemeni control; Muslims will tend to rally to retain Islamic control of Mecca and Medina in particular. The Arabian peninsula is liable to remain firmly Muslim even in its more agricultural zones. So if Persia-Mesopotamia, as my intuition suggests, is liable to go back to Islamic supremacy eventually, perhaps with astute tolerance of numerous non-Muslims, then they can augment their general assault on Rhome with Arabian auxiliaries who might come firmly under one Caliphate rule. And as mentioned upthread I do think that Saharan Africa will be much the same; Bedouin and Bedouin-like desert peoples will not Christianize and will be mighty hard to displace, and constantly keep pressure on the more fertile Mediterranean coast, so such outposts of Rhome as Libya and Tunis-Algeria involve ongoing draining of Imperial resources, which might be only partially covered by revenues from these lands themselves. I do agree Egypt, in the sense of the narrow Nile valley and perhaps firm holds on outposts like Siwah Oasis, might not shift back in the least and remain a firm Christian buffer between the Arabian and Saharan zones, and might manage to persist as such hived off of the Empire if it breaks up or contracts during a time of troubles as its own realm, reverting to its former role as a strong independent state echoing its status under the Ptolemies.

The Muslims however have strong interests to assert themselves to some degree in Palestine--as much as it is for Christians, it is a Holy Land to themselves as well. A very astute rule by either Latins or Rhomans might cultivate enough loyalist Muslims to defuse this pressure, permitting Muslim pilgrims to visit their own sacred sites, but that is also an obvious vulnerability, and given the OTL track record of both Rhome and the Latins I would fear the regime would draw the line (despite the OTL kingdom having had a pact with some Bedouin--after all that kingdom fell OTL!) at Muslim allegiance, persecute all Muslims sooner or later, and wall the Muslim pilgrims out. This will lend itself to a determined jihad to regain control of Palestine for Islam sooner or later, unless (as the author seems to be leaning) no stronger power than some desert nomads and trade kingdoms between the arms of the Fertile Crescent resurges. But note a Middle Eastern Ilkhanate successor, even if nominally Christian plurality ruled, might make common cause with the Arabs anyway versus Rhome; this might result, if that Persian-Mesopotamian based empire prevails in Palestine, in a multicultural Palestine as diverse as under the Ottomans, and with more Christians and possibly Jews. But also the firm rebuff of Rhoman and still less Latin power there; both Roman Catholic and Orthodox might become persona non grata there--not utterly banished or eradicated (People of the Book after all) but severely disabled and disfavored.

Such a collapse of either "Rome"s control might be the basis for Egypt hiving off as a separate Coptic-Orthodox hybrid nation. Having little traction in the Arab/other desert people regions, they might concentrate on developing ties to Ethiopia and perhaps challenging Arab power on the Red Sea, or perhaps be forced to sort of bypass by aiding Ethiopians to push control down to the African coast somewhere--that's hardly a viable major trade route though, the carriage between ports south of Somalia, if indeed these are not too Islamicized themselves to be taken or held, via Ethiopian/African Great Lakes lands to the upper navigation of the Nile is a viable major trade route only with something like railroads, I don't think suitable canal routes can be developed. So this is more a political cultural alliance than a strong economic multiplier of Egypt's basic manpower power base. Egypt might instead be able to move in on a Persian-controlled Levant.

Of course, Egypt might play these roles as a surviving exarchate of Rhoman power.

The author has mentioned a foreseen arm of Rhoman power through the Red Sea into the Indian ocean. Even with Islam itself at its weakest, this seems problematic; at best they might secure the western, African shore but Arabia will remain Muslim. Perhaps this development involves a long term detente mollifying the general Islamic resentment against "Rum" which as noted is embedded in the Koran and other foundational traditions such as the Hadith. If Rhoman authority is seen as decently respecting Islamic dignity, perhaps that opens up the Red Sea to fairly free passage of ships out of northeast Egyptian ports.

Anciently, a canal of sorts, connecting the lower Nile to the Red Sea, existed. Making a proper Mediterranean-Red Sea canal akin to Suez is not I think a reasonable thing to expect any time prior to 19th century levels of tech, but restoring and improving a riverboat suitable passage which might enable Imperial or Egyptian resources to develop a major sea trade out of a northeastern Red Sea port could be in the cards centuries before that. It would not allow for transfer of deep draft capital ships from the Med to Red seas, but it will be some time before ships of the "Age of Exploration" deep draft tall ship types, such as galleons, become mainstays of modern navies, whereas the resources to build the more typical sorts of ships such as dhows might be scarce in the northern Red Sea but could be imported up or down the Nile and over on the canal. And these smaller, lower draft large boats could perhaps transit the entire system from sea to sea.
 
Hey I'm back after a week! I've been thinking about this TL quite a lot despite my quietness over the past few days, just lulling things over jumping back and forth through the eras.

I'm unpack the meaty bits of Shevek's post succinctly here. When it comes to the dance of Rhomania and the KoJ up till the mid 1400s I can feel fairly certain the Rhoman side of this equation will remain competent due to being ruled by Palaiologoi who were probably the most competent governors of all the dynasties. This was there tragedy in OTL, it was really far to late for them barring a few weak moments which they could've been in a better geopolitical position.

So the ATL Palaiologoi start reigning from Andronikos I (III of OTL) in 1330. I know after his death in OTL 1341 there was a civil war but circumstances in this TL might be different. Depending on his illness he might have easily lived longer and avoided his son's minority or he could've been married to a different spouse. The latter is almost certain given the change of circumstances in TTL butterflying the need for a marriage with a Savoyard Princess away. Byzantine monarchs would likely only marry Greek, Hungarian, Sicilian, Near Eastern and Caucasian or maybe Russian. This serves their goals more than marrying Westerners for the time being besides those of Outremer. Obviously dynastic marriages could occur between minor relatives but the Imperial line will be marrying into neighbouring polities to integrate them.

In the KoJ if a squabble between factions and fraternities kicks off I think the Rhomans will be the unrivaled kingmakers. They'll simply walk in with troops and back their candidate for King if the Lords can't settle it nicely. The reasoning will be that the KoJ is a protectorate, the product of the Crusades and therefore an agreement between the Pope and Emperor to shore up the ERE against threats from the East. A divided Jerusalem threatens the regions security so Rhomania solves the problem from the top down.

Your second major point concerns the Christianisation of Muslim ruled areas. The data on demographics we have of Muslim domains in the 1300s are very patchy but Arabia, the Magreb and Afghanistan had been near fully Islamisized by then, at with a high proportion of Muslims to Christians. Jews are another matter, they were often a steady 10% in many areas of MENA. A trickle of Jews would flow from Europe towards these areas increasing in number between 1100 and 1492 when it becomes a flood out of Iberia. Any future expansion of the ERE into North Africa could harness this, especially in the context of a rivalry with Spain. Outside the Levant, Sicily and North Africa around Carthage (Karkedon) would have the higher percentage of Jews in the Empire c. 1550 let's say.

I don't think of Iran as being as clean cut up to 1300. Up till then the last major native power over Iran had been the pre-Islamic Sassanians. Islam was still an outside force imposing itself on Iran until the Safavids chose Shia Islam as the foundation of of the modern Iranian state in opposition to Arab (rather tired by that point) and Turkic outsiders. Who knows if the Ilkhans had chosen Nestorianism in a similar fashion and cultivated a Persian cultural revolution based on that maybe it could've worked as well and later zealous energies would flow in that direction. Iranian history could in this ATL mirror that of Spain though it would seems permanently unresolved in some aspects, producing a result akin to Ethiopia with large Muslim minorities still. I want to be rather ambitious with this particular strand of the ATL.
 
I'm thinking the next Muslim assault will come with Timur in the later 1300s then they get pushed back and a Nestorian dynasty descended for the Aq Qoyunlu called the Bayandur maintain an empire all the way until the 1730s solidifying Nestorianism in Iran. Attacks by the Muslim Hotaks from Afghanistan and Wahabbis from Arabia bring the Bayandur Empire down though. The Rhomans initially support them in the 14-1500s against the Timurids but then relations sour and they fight over access to the Indian Ocean and influence in India. By the 1700 they've fallen in to an old trap again... I'm not saying the Arabs and Afghans could pull off a full resurgence though but the ERE and Persia under the Zandi and going to be kept busy.

Im going to do a macro-timeline of major events upto the roughly 1800 at some point just to give a general map of the Early Modern Era of this TL. Tbf were far enough in now we shouldn't feel the need for too much nitty gritty unless it really adds to the story.

Upcoming: The Black Death, Timur the Lame, Annexation of Naples, The Habsburg Wars, League of Cognac, Barbary Crusades, the Spice Wars in the Indian Ocean, Great Schism of 1555, Rhoman-Persian Wars, Hotaks, Wahabbis, the Reign of Theocletiane (b. 1694). Just some of what could be more :)
 
Discovery of America?

Well yeah haha! Probably by the usual suspects rather than a Rhoman Elysium Colony tho.

A relevant Kings and Generals video on the topic of the Ottomans and the New World. Would probably be insightful for a ERE althist too:

And don't worry the Rhomans will be playing the game I'm sure but it'll be mostly likely be in the East. Watch the video to see why.
 
Some retrospective developments to consider with this timeline.

Two major ones concern the Kingdom of Jerusalem fairly early on. One is the succession of the KoJ to a string of female monarchs in the 1290s, include Isabella who reigns till 1205. Depending on how intensely the Crusaders want to stay independent of Rhome around her reign, Emperor Emerikos could be a candidate for marriage with Isabella and she would bare him not just his son but several daughters who could play an influential role in Rhoman dynastic politics later. The Brothers War of 1204 could be an incident polarising the Latin World as much as Rhome due to Venetians and Hungarians on one side and Genoa and Jerusalem on the other. Jerusalem itself would be divided between those loyal to the ERE regardless out of perceived necessity or opportunity and more skeptical of the legitimacy of the Andros line.

Later on in the 1300s when Rhoman military power in the Middle East is much greater, this could incidentally have ramifications for the military orders after all. It was cited that the Knights Templar would likely avoid suppression in 1312 when the point of a Christian Jerusalem was raised. This still holds true imo, but oc it really gets complex when you realise the Orders would be relatively less significant with a large Rhoman presence and non-aggression pact with the Ilkhanate means the military mission needs diverting elsewhere. Same dilemma as in OTL! The Hospitallers would likely still end up fighting slavers in the Mediterranean, establishing a strong presence in Southern Italy and Malta while the Teutonic Knights still set up in Prussia. The Templars best bet for security would possibly be to placate Rhome by supporting it politically and militarily and cooperate with Venice in procuring trade from the East. This strategy precursors a greater presence via the Red Sea in the Indian Ocean...

Both the Temple and the Hospital I see as being subsumed into the Rhoman System militarily and economically. If loyalties grow too torn between Rome and other Rome this will lead to a Schism and possibly the Orders been expelled/suppressed in the West. The latter really depends on what sort of position the Pope finds himself in regarding reliance on Eastern support in his struggle with the HRE. The ERE would always be ready to support a friendly Pope in pushing the Pretender Empire out of Italy! And thus it might not be France that calls for suppression of the Orders but maybe the HRE which would endorse its own (Teutons, Jesuits etc.)
 
Later on in the 1300s when Rhoman military power in the Middle East is much greater, this could incidentally have ramifications for the military orders after all. It was cited that the Knights Templar would likely avoid suppression in 1312 when the point of a Christian Jerusalem was raised. This still holds true imo, but oc it really gets complex when you realise the Orders would be relatively less significant with a large Rhoman presence and non-aggression pact with the Ilkhanate means the military mission needs diverting elsewhere
The Military orders will probably redirect themselves towards the barbary coast and the russia's
 
The Military orders will probably redirect themselves towards the barbary coast and the russia's

They could've done that in OTL which the Knights effectively did albeit mobilised against the Ottomans at sea. Same could apply in North Africa. I still think the Templars would look to travel the trade routes of the East, maybe through Russia but also to India and Malacca. One motivation would be to explore the existence of Christian communities outside Europe and connect them to the rest of Christendom. Any influence gained through the Black Sea and Egypt is gained through the ERE its important to note. She holds the keys to the East for anyone who doesn't want to sail around Africa or Cape Horn.
 
Another ahistorical trend I want to explore is the Hellenisation of the Romanians aka. The Vlachs. These people, the Latins of the East actually did assimilate much Byzantine cultural influences including Orthodoxy and during the Ottoman Era were mostly governed by Greek rulers.

I thinking, especially after the 1280s when Greeks start to migrate into Hungary to help rebuild it after various wars and invasions, the Romance speakers of the former Dacian province are identified as 'Romans' and their soft integration is encouraged by Constantinople. A class of bureaucrats are promoted to run the regions institutions with a advancement of Greek language and religion.

The end result of the aforementioned process is the areas of Hungary and modern Romania settled by Germans or Romanian speakers are Greek speaking.
 
Another ahistorical trend I want to explore is the Hellenisation of the Romanians aka. The Vlachs. These people, the Latins of the East actually did assimilate much Byzantine cultural influences including Orthodoxy and during the Ottoman Era were mostly governed by Greek rulers.

I thinking, especially after the 1280s when Greeks start to migrate into Hungary to help rebuild it after various wars and invasions, the Romance speakers of the former Dacian province are identified as 'Romans' and their soft integration is encouraged by Constantinople. A class of bureaucrats are promoted to run the regions institutions with a advancement of Greek language and religion.

The end result of the aforementioned process is the areas of Hungary and modern Romania settled by Germans or Romanian speakers are Greek speaking.
So essentially you go with the theory that Romanians are the descendants of Roman colonists in former Dacia? Do they have admixture with the native Dacian population?

Also out of curiosity, what is going on with the Albanians? 1284 is the very first time that Albanian is attested to in a court document, so uo until they're basically a blank slate.
 
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