28 Days Later - Death of a Nation

[22000 Kevin]

You would hope so but with humans like Putin and his supporters in the world you cant count it out for sure.

We have to remember that Humanity witness the destruction of the United Kingdom and the majority of Europe in the spam of a year.

Everyone is terrified of the possibility that Terrorist could obtain samples of the Rage Virus and spread it on to Asia and America.

Remember this is 2002, the September 11th attacks has only JUST happened a year ago when the Outbreak started in Cambridge.
The OTL War on Terror has only begun and now just gotten significantly worse as everyone will be frightened and scared of the worse case scenario of Rage being spread across the world.

A new Cold War is the last thing that Americans will want with the threat that terrorism can impose onto the wider world, what is likely to happen is the sides agree to work together to curtail the chances that organisations like Al-Qaeda under the leadership of Osama Bin Laden or rogue states like North Korea under Kim Jong-il could ever get their hands on the Rage Virus and weaponise it.

That is why everyone was vaccinated to prevent the chances of the Rage Virus from ever resurfacing on the planet.

Posters like this would likely emerge during the ATL version on the war on Terror.

 

[MaxGerke01]

We have to remember that Humanity witness the destruction of the United Kingdom and the majority of Europe in the spam of a year.

Everyone is terrified of the possibility that Terrorist could obtain samples of the Rage Virus and spread it on to Asia and America.

Remember this is 2002, the September 11th attacks has only JUST happened a year ago when the Outbreak started in Cambridge.
The OTL War on Terror has only begun and now just gotten significantly worse as everyone will be frightened and scared of the worse case scenario of Rage being spread across the world.

A new Cold War is the last thing that Americans will want with the threat that terrorism can impose onto the wider world, what is likely to happen is the sides agree to work together to curtail the chances that organisations like Al-Qaeda under the leadership of Osama Bin Laden or rogue states like North Korea under Kim Jong-il could ever get their hands on the Rage Virus and weaponise it.

That is why everyone was vaccinated to prevent the chances of the Rage Virus from ever resurfacing on the planet.

Posters like this would likely emerge during the ATL version on the war on Terror.

Sounds good but does that include the Ukrainians,Belarussians, Estonains,Lativians and Lithuanians they reconquered and others they are eyeing hungrily ? The West can pretend Put-in is one of the good guys with a soul as we did OTL but it will be obvious to some even after Rage that that isnt the case.

 

[22000 Kevin]

Ukrainians,Belarussians, Estonains,Lativians and Lithuanians

I don't think the West would care much as their is only small minorities of these ethnic groups left alive after the Rage Virus devastated their Nations, what does the West politically gain with isolating an economically devastated Russia over a bunch of failed states in Eastern Europe, while also having to deal with Terrorist threats and the Rage Virus that could the could potentially still destroy United States of America.

The nations in question had only existed as independent states for less than 12 years as well...

Now yes the USA could argue for Mr Putin to stay out of Poland and Germany since they were NATO members, but again practically the two nations and their cultures are just a rotting corpses now and will be extremely expensive to rebuild and repopulate, both sides would not want to waste resources with them as the US will be busy in the UK and Russia with Ukraine but... well the Nations could still invoke Article 5 even when dead with the Russians walking throughout their territories but I don't see the USA declaring war over an wasteland.

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Now here is a scenario to get the West to be "unhappy" with Putin.​

What I could possibly see happening is Putin declaring that Russia is directly annexing everything East of the Vistula River and Carpathian Mountains in a style similar to Crimea, justifying that they need a "defensive" River and Mountain borders in Europe in case of the Rage Virus ever happening again, others will see it as a naked land grab.

This will trigger Poland to invoke Article 5 of NATO and will finally enlist an Response from the US with the US Army being redeployed back into devastated Europe, with heavy sanctions levied against Russia (ignoring that sanctions with a already ruined global economy is going to be painful for everyone) and the typical UN condemnation that gets vetoed away, Russia will still get away with it as Logistically the US military is screwed if it tries to fight Russia out of Poland and war would devolve into a Nuclear exchange that nobody for very obvious reasons.

Poland's allies in the end will abandon it similar to 1939, with only US loans and immigrants from America being the only help received to help rebuild the rump state that was left of Poland, a lot of US military presence would be established at the River border for the forseeable future.

Hell Putin he could even just annexe everything north of the Danube River in Romania if he wants to, since Romania isn't part of NATO, this will anger Turkey however as they will be trying to establish their own zones of influence in the Balkans, this will add even more land and will nearly destroy the sovereignty of Romania, if whatever is left of Hungry attempts to annex Western Romania then the nation will effectively cease to exist, but US would not want be hypocritical with its protest on the Russian annexation of Romanian and would blackmail Hungary from Western aid if it does happen...

Whats left of Romania will certainly declare War on Russia if the Danube is included on the list of "Defensive" borders, many would see it as a repeat of the Iron Curtain across Europe again, only this time the regions under the curtain are already ethnically cleansed and being colonised by Russian Settlers, making it dam, near impossible to ever return these lands back to their rightful owners for the forseeable future

The cost to rebuild and repopulate all that land is going to be ludicrously expensive and its more than likely that most of the land is just going to be neglected by Russia and be turned into an elaborately oversized Exculsion zones similar to the Chernobyl Exculsion Zone in occupied Ukraine in our OTL.

So their you have it, a scenario where Putin is hated by the Eastern Europeans, with the West protesting with heavy sanctions before giving up and instead prioritizing on eliminating the threat of the Rage Virus forever and everyone else will not give a dam about the situation in Eastern Europe since the region was already a gutted corpse when the Russians decided to plant its flag on it.

 

[MaxGerke01]

I don't think the West would care much as their is only a small minorities of these ethnic groups left alive after the Rage Virus devastated their Nations, what does the West politically gain with isolating an economically devastated Russia over a bunch of failed states in Eastern Europe, while also having to deal with Terrorist threats and the Rage Virus that could the could destroy United States of America.

The nations in question had only existed as independent states for less than 12 years as well...

Now yes the USA could argue for Mr Putin to stay out of Poland and Germany since they were NATO members, but again practically the two nations and their cultures are just a rotting corpses now and will be extremely expensive to rebuild and repopulate, both sides would not want to waste resources with them as the US will be busy in the UK and Russia with Ukraine but... well the Nations could still invoke Article 5 even when dead with the Russians walking throughout their territories but I don't see the USA declaring war over an wasteland.

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Now here is a scenario to get the West to be "unhappy" with Putin.

What I could possibly see happening is Putin declaring that Russia is directly annexing everything East of the Vistula River and Carpathian Mountains in a style similar to Crimea, justifying that they need a "defensive" River and Mountain borders in Europe in case of the Rage Virus ever happening again, others will see it as a naked land grab.

This will trigger Poland to invoke Article 5 of NATO and will finally enlist an Response from the US with the US Army being redeployed back into devastated Europe, with with heavy sanctions and the typical UN condemnation, Russia will still get away with it as Logistically the US military is screwed if it tries to fight Russia out of Poland and war would devolve into a Nuclear exchange that nobody wants.

Poland's allies in the end will abandon it similar to 1939, with only US loans and immigrants from America trying to help rebuild the rump state that is left of Poland.

Hell Putin he could even just annexe everything north of the Danube River in Romania if he wants to, since Romania isn't part of NATO, this will anger Turkey however and add to a lot more land

Whats left of Romania will certainly declare War on Russia if the Danube is included on the list of "Defensive" borders many would see it as a repeat of the Iron Curtain across Europe again, only this time the regions under the curtain are already ethnically cleansed and colonised by Russian Settlers, making it dam, near impossible to ever return these lands back to their rightful owners.

The cost to rebuild and repopulate all that land is going to be ludicrously expensive and its more than likely that the land is just neglected by Russia and turned into an elaborately oversized Exculsion zones similar to the Chernobyl Exculsion Zone in occupied Ukraine.

So their you have it a scenario where Putin is hated by the Eastern Europeans, with the West protesting with sanctions and everyone else not giving a hell about the situation since Eastern Europe was already corpse when Russia planted its flag on it.

To me its a matter of degree with Put-in and those like him and if you give them free reign to do the former there is no reason they wont eventually do the latter .Where is the line ? Also if having your country depopulated by the Rage Virus is a valid enough reason for Russia or some other country to take it over because not enough people are using it anymore then again where is the line? By that logic why does mainland Britain still belong to the UK since most of its remaining un evacuated population was totally destroyed by the Rage Virus ?

 

[22000 Kevin]

To me its a matter of degree with Put-in and those like him and if you give them free reign to do the former there is no reason they wont eventually do the latter .Where is the line ? Also if having your country depopulated by the Rage Virus is a valid enough reason for Russia or some other country to take it over because not enough people are using it anymore then again where is the line? By that logic why does mainland Britain still belong to the UK since most of its remaining un evacuated population was totally destroyed by the Rage Virus ?

The line that NATO would draw will be past the Western side of the Vistula River after Russia announced its annexation of everything East of the River, my post mentioned that the US military would be redeployed back into devastated Europe and would extensively patrol the Western side of river and set up the new border with Russia. The same will be done at the Carpathian Mountains.

Putin knows that any more expansion into Europe will end with a shooting war against US troops stationed at the borders, which will bring World War 3, the only other functional nations I would see attempting to steal land from Europe would be West-NATO aligned states, the USA is likely to blackmail and deny foreign aid to any surviving West-NATO nations that attempt to copy Russia, but its unlikely to completely stop them from doing that anyway...

The British have a special relationship with the Americans and it is a vested interest by Washington D.C to repopulate the UK as quickly as possible in the 28 Days later lore... or rather for the plot of 28 Weeks story to work properly *cough* *cough*.

The UK is basically a puppet state of the USA at this point as it needed the USA to rebuild itself and is economically reliant on America, but incorporating the UK into the 51st State of the USA will never happen as it would paint the Americans as hypocrites and damage relations between the Royal Family and Commonwealth Nations.

 

[Gillan1220]

Remember this is 2002, the September 11th attacks has only JUST happened a year ago when the Outbreak started in Cambridge.
The OTL War on Terror has only begun and now just gotten significantly worse as everyone will be frightened and scared of the worse case scenario of Rage being spread across the world.

A new Cold War is the last thing that Americans will want with the threat that terrorism can impose onto the wider world, what is likely to happen is the sides agree to work together to curtail the chances that organisations like Al-Qaeda under the leadership of Osama Bin Laden or rogue states like North Korea under Kim Jong-il could ever get their hands on the Rage Virus and weaponise it.

Since the outbreak occurred in May 2002, it's been only seven months since 9/11 and only a few months since the anthrax attacks in the United States. Terrorism is still fresh in people's minds.

Even the terrorists themselves were probably getting ideas on how to use the Rage Virus as a deadly bioweapon. In essence, it would more deadlier than bullets and bombs and would have a psychological effect that would make 9/11 look take in comparison.

Sounds good but does that include the Ukrainians,Belarussians, Estonains,Lativians and Lithuanians they reconquered and others they are eyeing hungrily ? The West can pretend Put-in is one of the good guys with a soul as we did OTL but it will be obvious to some even after Rage that that isnt the case.

That's because the remaining Ukrainians, Belarussians, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians have no other choice but to accept Russian aid.

Put yourself in their shoes: Your country is a wasteland. Bandits are everywhere and demanding tribute. Food is scarce. When Russian military aid comes in the form of air drops and helicopter drops, you would not be picky. Especially if these Russians could protect your settlement from the marauders and bandits.

Also, not sure what happened to NATO. Could it have relocated its HQ to Spain or Portugal after Brussels fell?

To me its a matter of degree with Put-in and those like him and if you give them free reign to do the former there is no reason they wont eventually do the latter .Where is the line ? Also if having your country depopulated by the Rage Virus is a valid enough reason for Russia or some other country to take it over because not enough people are using it anymore then again where is the line? By that logic why does mainland Britain still belong to the UK since most of its remaining un evacuated population was totally destroyed by the Rage Virus ?

Russia acting as the "protector" of these states would also benefit its own security. For one, there are hostile raiders in what was once Eastern Europe and they too will do chaos in the Russian border.

Two is in order to get a "positive" view of the international community, Russia appearing to "protect" these states would be seen as an absolute neccessity.

Legally, the island of Britain is still part of His Majesty's (after King Charles III was crowned) government, including the land and assets. It was mentioned here that after Britain became devoid of Ragers, the provisional capital from Belfast was relocated to Glasgow, which was then relocated to Richmond as what's left of the British military and NATO moved south to clean up the island.

The British have a special relationship with the Americans and it is a vested interest by Washington D.C to repopulate the UK as quickly as possible in the 28 Days later lore... or rather for the plot of 28 Weeks story to work properly *cough* *cough*.

The UK is basically a puppet state of the USA at this point as it needed the USA to rebuild itself and is economically reliant on America, but incorporating the UK into the 51st State of the USA will never happen as it would paint the Americans as hypocrites and damage relations between the Royal Family and Commonwealth Nations.

The British also have their Commonwealth countries like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to lean on.

The UK being a puppet state of the USA or even the UN is an acceptable price to pay in the current global status quo for TTL, just the same way how Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania is a puppet state of Russia because no one else could support them. It's the British government's best option as they begin the slow process of reclaiming the mighty isle.

 

[MaxGerke01]

Well to me the bottom line is that the US and UK and NATO would look like major hypocrites if they allow Russia to do in eastern Europe what they prevented in Britain. Having Put-in as a member in good standing of the international order means its a less than ideal world even in a world with the Rage Virus outbreak...
Also the example would wreak havoc in the rest of the world ie you can go in and take over your neighbors when there just arent enough of them to warrant having a country...

 

[kspence92]

Is this gonna get any continuations?

I'm not sure. I may add the occasional updates every so often but by and large the main story is complete

 

[Otakuninja2006]

I'm not sure. I may add the occasional updates every so often but by and large the main story is complete

Oh. Ok.

 

[22000 Kevin]

Having Put-in as a member in good standing of the international order means its a less than ideal world even in a world with the Rage Virus outbreak...

Ugh your still going on with this losing battle, your stubbornness is admirable and the hate for Putin is understandable thanks to the current circumstances.

Well to me the bottom line is that the US and UK and NATO would look like major hypocrites if they allow Russia to do in eastern Europe what they prevented in Britain.

But Hypocrites um what?!?

This is 2002!

What business does NATO and the US have with annoying Russia's zone of influence throughout Eastern Europe?

This is the 2003 map of NATO in Europe, if you have read this story then you should know that the NATO nations UK, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary have been mostly destroyed by the Rage Virus.

All these lands are now apocalyptic wastelands filled with Millions of dead bodies and destroyed cities.
All that is left now are Survivors, bandits, looters, Criminal gangs and "outsiders".

It would be the interest for everyone in NATO, Russia and the UN that Naval blockades, no-fly zones and heavily guarded borders are established throughout the entirety of Europe for one reason, the reason being the survival of the fecking human civilization as we know it.

Remember the Rage Virus was able to destroy the fourth largest nation in nominal GDP in 28 days! Everyone will be terrified of the exact same thing befalling their own countries and they will everything to prevent the spread of the Rage Virus, the fear and hysteria from the Rage Virus will be significantly worsened after the fall of Europe.

Terrorist are a serious nightmare now, after all @Gillan1220 has pointed out that 9/11 has only just happened 7 months ago, people like Osoma Bin laden are salivating at the chance of getting his hands on the Rage Virus and using it to destroy the "great satin" (USA) so the West will be hell bent on defeating Terrorism before it has the chance to destroy civilization.

So you know where I going to end this...

NATO, the USA and the most members of the UN will not care of Russian domination of Eastern Europe mainly thanks to it being destroyed and effectively abandoned, no one has the spare money or rather cares to clean up the bodies, rebuild the destroyed Infrastructure, repairing what is left and repopulate Eastern Europe.

Remember that the UK is a special case here as the United States was committed to cleaning, repairing and repopulating the UK in the lore and story, this will be is no easy feat as the money required to repair the mostly destroyed nation will be cost over a $ Trillion dollars.

Russia on the other hand doesn't have that luxury as the Russian oligarchy, (the ones with the money) will be more content with keeping their money (no suprise) and be busy with "rescuing" the Russian economy.

So in otherwords Russia has no money to fix Eastern Europe.

Eastern Europe will likely be turned into a giant Nature reserve under Protection by the UN with the majority of the Urban sities across the region remain uncleared of the dead bodies, the cities will be legally classified as protected war graves, these abandoned cities will be effectively walled off from the public access and are likely to become dilapidated and left in a disrepaired state, similar to how Chernobyl city is today and the regions will require special permission to access into these cities.

The only areas that are expected to receive major cleanups and repairs will be areas with good geography and valuable natural resources to exploit (thanks to the Russian Oligarchs), Ports/Coastal areas, places of important Cultural history (sponsored by the UN), Railway Lines and Major Highways/Motorways, Power Plants, Public Service buildings, Farmlands, Military Bases and lastly the resveration of lands where the native survivors of the Rage Virus in Eastern Europe have been placed under the protection of the Russian Government.

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So to summarise no one cares about "major hypocrisy" of NATO and the USA for allowing the UK to exist, as these nations have the financial resources available to do so, while the Russian Federation meanwhile is suffering a Financial recession and devaluation of the Ruble after the lost of its trading partners in Europe and now can't afford to have terrorist (Chechnyan ones in particular) and possible criminal organizations from operating in the destroyed neighbouring nations and that are in total anarchy.

So the only justifiable option left is to invade and restore law and order in these territories bordering Russia, effectively annexing it in the process.
This move will be welcomed by most as this will put a stop to the lawlessness and bandits across the European region and improve the overall security situation for the survivors of Eastern Europe.

Other factors to think of about this so called "hypocrisy" such as the US with the money available to reestablish the UK as a nation that was destroyed, despite said nation still existing as a legitimate state with Northern Ireland and its functioning Government, the nation also has the luxury of millions of expats living in English or non-English speaking nations around the planet and can rally together under the flag and reign of the British Royal Family.

Now Eastern Europe on the other hand here had most of its Nations overruned and destroyed by Millions of Rage Zombie's and Refugees, with most of its Governments and demoralised Armed forces destroyed with only some remnants left using the many old Soviet Bunders in various states of disrepair to hide from the chaos, the nations without islands are now just failed states with most of the native languages of Eastern Europe becoming critically endangered to near extinct with the majority of the native speakers dead, only small pockets of Civilisations are left now.

Nation rebuilding in the East Europe is next to impossible when their is just dozens of villages and towns of people left with at least a few hundred thousands to a few millions refugees at best. Hense Russia has nothing to gain with reestablishing the nations of Eastern Europe other than puppeting them as dead weights to appease the UN ambassadors until annexation arrives.
Also I'll repeat Russia. Has. No. Money. And can't afford to nation build.

There will be some attempts of making a UN resolution against Russia's annexation with it either getting passed or rejected, but in the end it will just get vetoed away by Russia.

Also the example would wreak havoc in the rest of the world ie you can go in and take over your neighbors when there just arent enough of them to warrant having a country...

Also seriously no one (other than North Korea) would be stupid enough to weaponise the Rage Virus to clear out a nation that it wants gone in order to "take over" it quickly after the Rage Virus dies out because "there aren't enough people left". The offending nation will be invaded and destroyed militarily by an UN coalition comprising of the US, Russia, China and everyone else.

Yes it would seem hypocritical for Russia to join the Coalition, but it remember this, Lawlessness lands of Anarchy and filled with Bandits and criminals is not the same! When compared to lawful countries with low Populations and a big neighbouring nation.

Also go ask Saddam Hussein's Iraq when he did the exact same thing when he invaded little Kuwait in 1990 and attempted to annex it before getting punished and destroyed by the West in Operation Desert Storm.

 

[Gillan1220]

Terrorist are a serious nightmare now, after all @Gillan1220 has pointed out that 9/11 has only just happened 7 months ago, people like Osoma Bin laden are salivating at the chance of getting his hands on the Rage Virus and using it to destroy the "great satin" (USA) so the West will be hell bent on defeating Terrorism before it has the chance to destroy civilization.

Not only Islamic terrorists. Even other fundies or domestic anti-government groups.

Saddam, Gadaffi, Kim Jong-Il, and the Supreme Leader of Iran are also getting ideas of it. The Axis of Evil Speech already occurred here so the Bush administration will need to take a firm stance on the countries it listed as a "state sponsor of terrorism."

NATO, the USA and the most members of the UN will not care of Russian domination of Eastern Europe mainly thanks to it being destroyed and effectively abandoned, no one has the spare money or rather cares to clean up the bodies, rebuild the destroyed Infrastructure, repairing what is left and repopulate Eastern Europe.

Remember that the UK is a special case here as the United States was committed to cleaning, repairing and repopulating the UK in the lore and story, this will be is no easy feat as the money required to repair the mostly destroyed nation will be cost over a $ Trillion dollars.

Russia on the other hand doesn't have that luxury as the Russian oligarchy, (the ones with the money) will be more content with keeping their money (no suprise) and be busy with "rescuing" the Russian economy.

So in otherwords Russia has no money to fix Eastern Europe.

The U.S., the Commonwealth, and NATO basically spent trillions trying to have a Marshall Plan 2.0 on the UK, even though it failed because of the Second Rage Outbreak.

Europe will be a waste even more. There won't be a Marshall Plan here. Not even Moscow would attempt to do it. Russia in 2002 was still recovering from the fall of the USSR a decade prior.

Also seriously no one (other than North Korea) would be stupid enough to weaponise the Rage Virus to clear out a nation that it wants gone in order to "take over" it quickly after the Rage Virus dies out because "there aren't enough people left". The offending nation will be invaded and destroyed militarily by an UN coalition comprising of the US, Russia, China and everyone else.

Yes it would seem hypocritical for Russia to join the Coalition, but it remember this, Lawlessness lands of Anarchy and filled with Bandits and criminals is not the same! When compared to lawful countries with low Populations and a big neighbouring nation.

Also go ask Saddam Hussein's Iraq when he did the exact same thing when he invaded little Kuwait in 1990 and attempted to annex it before getting punished and destroyed by the West in Operation Desert Storm.

Like I said, Kim Jong-il was getting ideas. Let fanatic North Korean sleeper agents and SOF in the South inject themselves with the Rage virus to start outbreaks. While this chaos happens, he would order the KPA to storm the DMZ.

Similar to this chapter from @potatogod34's Dawn of the Dead: 2017:

When the outbreak started in the American East Coast, orders were issued to sleeper agents in the DC area to kill and collect samples to be sent to the motherland. The matter was simple enough, the agents were swift enough with the collection and boarded the last international flights to leave DC. The flights were routed through Ghana, then Tanzania, then Malaysia, and finally China where they were then passed to contacts and smuggled across the border.

Plans were to study the infection and incubate it in willing and patriotic volunteers in re-education camps, before sacrificing them and distributing vials to numerous sleeper agents in the South. These agents would then inject themselves in Seoul, Busan, Incheon, Gwangju, Daejeon, Daegu, Kunsan, Osan, Ulsan and P'ohang and then commit suicide in crowded public areas to facilitate outbreaks.

Much of the military forces on the DMZ would be diverted to contain the outbreaks occurring all throughout the country. And they can't rely on the help of the American forces, which were being withdrawn to the mainland to contain the East Coast outbreak.

Once much of the forces to the South were eaten, the Korean People's Army would strike and deal a blow to the decadent capitalists. Korea would be unified and made whole under the glorious leadership of the Dear Respected Comrade.

Once this is discovered, not even Russia or China will protect North Korea's ass as the USAF bombs the Hermit Kingdom to oblivion. Plus in 2002-2003, North Korea did not have nuclear weapons yet so an invasion to remove the Kims is on the table.

 

[WanderingProfessor]

A zombie plague in Europe means that COVID-19 won't exist and nations will take precautions to prevent diseases like this or zombie viruses from breaking out. Much of Europe will be a wasteland with everyone trying to rebuild and move on.

 

[MaxGerke01]

Ugh your still going on with this losing battle, your stubbornness is admirable and the hate for Putin is understandable thanks to the current circumstances.



But Hypocrites um what?!?

This is 2002!

What business does NATO and the US have with annoying Russia's zone of influence throughout Eastern Europe?

This is the 2003 map of NATO in Europe, if you have read this story then you should know that the NATO nations UK, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary have been mostly destroyed by the Rage Virus.

All these lands are now apocalyptic wastelands filled with Millions of dead bodies and destroyed cities.
All that is left now are Survivors, bandits, looters, Criminal gangs and "outsiders".

It would be the interest for everyone in NATO, Russia and the UN that Naval blockades, no-fly zones and heavily guarded borders are established throughout the entirety of Europe for one reason, the reason being the survival of the fecking human civilization as we know it.

Remember the Rage Virus was able to destroy the fourth largest nation in nominal GDP in 28 days! Everyone will be terrified of the exact same thing befalling their own countries and they will everything to prevent the spread of the Rage Virus, the fear and hysteria from the Rage Virus will be significantly worsened after the fall of Europe.

Terrorist are a serious nightmare now, after all @Gillan1220 has pointed out that 9/11 has only just happened 7 months ago, people like Osoma Bin laden are salivating at the chance of getting his hands on the Rage Virus and using it to destroy the "great satin" (USA) so the West will be hell bent on defeating Terrorism before it has the chance to destroy civilization.

So you know where I going to end this...

NATO, the USA and the most members of the UN will not care of Russian domination of Eastern Europe mainly thanks to it being destroyed and effectively abandoned, no one has the spare money or rather cares to clean up the bodies, rebuild the destroyed Infrastructure, repairing what is left and repopulate Eastern Europe.

Remember that the UK is a special case here as the United States was committed to cleaning, repairing and repopulating the UK in the lore and story, this will be is no easy feat as the money required to repair the mostly destroyed nation will be cost over a $ Trillion dollars.

Russia on the other hand doesn't have that luxury as the Russian oligarchy, (the ones with the money) will be more content with keeping their money (no suprise) and be busy with "rescuing" the Russian economy.

So in otherwords Russia has no money to fix Eastern Europe.

Eastern Europe will likely be turned into a giant Nature reserve under Protection by the UN with the majority of the Urban sities across the region remain uncleared of the dead bodies, the cities will be legally classified as protected war graves, these abandoned cities will be effectively walled off from the public access and are likely to become dilapidated and left in a disrepaired state, similar to how Chernobyl city is today and the regions will require special permission to access into these cities.

The only areas that are expected to receive major cleanups and repairs will be areas with good geography and valuable natural resources to exploit (thanks to the Russian Oligarchs), Ports/Coastal areas, places of important Cultural history (sponsored by the UN), Railway Lines and Major Highways/Motorways, Power Plants, Public Service buildings, Farmlands, Military Bases and lastly the resveration of lands where the native survivors of the Rage Virus in Eastern Europe have been placed under the protection of the Russian Government.

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So to summarise no one cares about "major hypocrisy" of NATO and the USA for allowing the UK to exist, as these nations have the financial resources available to do so, while the Russian Federation meanwhile is suffering a Financial recession and devaluation of the Ruble after the lost of its trading partners in Europe and now can't afford to have terrorist (Chechnyan ones in particular) and possible criminal organizations from operating in the destroyed neighbouring nations and that are in total anarchy.

So the only justifiable option left is to invade and restore law and order in these territories bordering Russia, effectively annexing it in the process.
This move will be welcomed by most as this will put a stop to the lawlessness and bandits across the European region and improve the overall security situation for the survivors of Eastern Europe.

Other factors to think of about this so called "hypocrisy" such as the US with the money available to reestablish the UK as a nation that was destroyed, despite said nation still existing as a legitimate state with Northern Ireland and its functioning Government, the nation also has the luxury of millions of expats living in English or non-English speaking nations around the planet and can rally together under the flag and reign of the British Royal Family.

Now Eastern Europe on the other hand here had most of its Nations overruned and destroyed by Millions of Rage Zombie's and Refugees, with most of its Governments and demoralised Armed forces destroyed with only some remnants left using the many old Soviet Bunders in various states of disrepair to hide from the chaos, the nations without islands are now just failed states with most of the native languages of Eastern Europe becoming critically endangered to near extinct with the majority of the native speakers dead, only small pockets of Civilisations are left now.

Nation rebuilding in the East Europe is next to impossible when their is just dozens of villages and towns of people left with at least a few hundred thousands to a few millions refugees at best. Hense Russia has nothing to gain with reestablishing the nations of Eastern Europe other than puppeting them as dead weights to appease the UN ambassadors until annexation arrives.
Also I'll repeat Russia. Has. No. Money. And can't afford to nation build.

There will be some attempts of making a UN resolution against Russia's annexation with it either getting passed or rejected, but in the end it will just get vetoed away by Russia.



Also seriously no one (other than North Korea) would be stupid enough to weaponise the Rage Virus to clear out a nation that it wants gone in order to "take over" it quickly after the Rage Virus dies out because "there aren't enough people left". The offending nation will be invaded and destroyed militarily by an UN coalition comprising of the US, Russia, China and everyone else.

Yes it would seem hypocritical for Russia to join the Coalition, but it remember this, Lawlessness lands of Anarchy and filled with Bandits and criminals is not the same! When compared to lawful countries with low Populations and a big neighbouring nation.

Also go ask Saddam Hussein's Iraq when he did the exact same thing when he invaded little Kuwait in 1990 and attempted to annex it before getting punished and destroyed by the West in Operation Desert Storm.

I wasnt talking about weaponizing the Rage Virus.I was talking about larger countries going in and taking out smaller countries because they can,You reference what happened to Iraq after invading Kuwait in 1990 but if the international order has been overturned in respect to Europe-except the UK -then why should it be followed anywhere else ? Just because NATO was not yet abutting Russia in 2002 and most of those countries had been devastated by the Rage Virus should not give Russia free reign to annex them and take them all over if thats what we are talking about as it has been a while since I read this.I thought the ultimate aftermath was left unclear.But even if every last resident of these countries was turned into a Rager if the international order is being preserved then there are still legal bounders in effect that Russia and no one else should just be able to ignore.

 

[MaxGerke01]

A zombie plague in Europe means that COVID-19 won't exist and nations will take precautions to prevent diseases like this or zombie viruses from breaking out.

Well you might think so but the reaction to Covid19 has been less than stellar especially on the part of the US.Are we sure the Rage Virus will be taken seriously ?

Much of Europe will be a wasteland with everyone trying to rebuild and move on.

Which is why Rage and other potential diseases might be easily forgotten until the are a threat again.Humans have depressingly short memories.

 

[WanderingProfessor]

Well you might think so but the reaction to Covid19 has been less than stellar especially on the part of the US.Are we sure the Rage Virus will be taken seriously ?

Which is why Rage and other potential diseases might be easily forgotten until the are a threat again.Humans have depressingly short memories.

The Rage Virus has already devastated an entire continent so the countries of the world would logically take any virus seriously, zombie or non-zombie.

 

[22000 Kevin]

but if the international order has been overturned in respect to Europe-except the UK -then why should it be followed anywhere else ?

The United States of America aka the "the international order" has not fallen to the Rage Virus!

The US Navy has over 10 Supercarriers available across the planet and can deploy them wherever they want, granted 2 of the American Supercarriers would be deployed at Europe at all times to enforce the blockade.

Nations without Nuclear Weapons are still "fair game" for the US Military and are subject to airstrikes and possibly invasions if they invade a US friendly nation.

Edit:

List of armed conflicts involving the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[MaxGerke01]

The United States of America aka the "the international order" has not fallen to the Rage Virus!

The US Navy has over 10 Supercarriers available across the planet and can deploy them wherever they want, granted 2 of the American Supercarriers would be deployed at Europe at all times to enforce the blockade.

Nations without Nuclear Weapons are still "fair game" for the US Military and are subject to airstrikes and possibly invasions if they invade a US friendly nation.

Edit:

List of armed conflicts involving the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ah so the USA will still tangle in the Middle East or anywhere else oil is involved but not so much anywhere else and including a surprising larger amount of Europe especially since that whole NATO thing was the original way the US became the international order. This also motivates countries more than ever to obtain nuclear weapons to get themselves off that" US will invade list." Also is American friendly will likely prove to be much less important than has American interests even more so than it is in OTL. Something like the Rage Virus would very likely spur the isolationism that still lives in America and with the failure to contain Rage in the UK that would only spread and if nothing is done to keep Russia from going as far as it likes in Europe its hard to see why the US would lift a finger elsewhere in the world for Taiwan,South Korea or anywhere else..If the US has lost most of its European partners in NATO then why would they draw any line as far as Russian annexation except maybe the English Channel ?

 

[22000 Kevin]

most of those countries had been devastated by the Rage Virus should not give Russia free reign to annex them and take them all over if thats what we are talking about as it has been a while since I read this.

Didn't I already explain why few would care with the Russian annexation of Eastern Europe.

Yes their are maps and boundaries over there that legally belongs to other nations.

But most of Europe is dead and useless now its a Land that no one wants as it is financially impossible to rescue it with $ Trillions of dollars needed to rebuild it.

The Russians annexation isn't even going to be an outright annexation.

Rather it will be Russian companies and Russian "Administration" taking over the nations of Eastern Europe with the Nations allowed to maintain some independence from Russia.

The exception would be of course Ukraine as Russia would actually want that nation, much to the displeasure of the Ukrainian Nationlists that survived.

Eventually in say in between 2015 and 2035 the Russian Parliament will accept most of Eastern Europe into the Russian Federation as the people living in Eastern Europe would mostly be Russian settlers (or colonists) and pro-Russian ethnic groups who have been fed with lots of propaganda.

By this time most of Eastern Europe would've been converted into puppet states of Russia so it won't be surprising when these elections are called that the vote will be overwhelming be yes to joining with Russia.

So other than a few protests, some angry guys in Congress, everyone would agree that Eastern Europe is offically the backyard of Russia because no one else wants to bother with it as its mostly just dead weight to the Russian economy.

The same goes for Turkey, Greece, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland who have all expanded from their original nations, establishing "Administration" zones on destroyed nations and Companies along with their own settlers.

However its highly dependent on which type of Political parties and Leaders are in charge and how they deal with foreign policy decisions and relations with NATO.

Also here is what is going to happen to a native Eastern European in an Russian zone of Administration...

1. Now anyone trying to promote the independence of the cultural identity of Eastern Europe will be headed to the jail.
2. Failure of the jail will lead to the re-education camps.
3. Failure of camps will lead to an visit to the yearly Tree counting competition... in Siberia.
4. Failure to count the trees means jail time... in Siberia.
5. Failure of the jail tine 2.0 means you get the Novichok nerve agent award...
6. Failure of Novichok will result in you having an "accident" on the vehicle you used to leave the hospital.
7. Failure of the "accident" means that a bear will personally maul you death soon after you escaped the wreck of the crashed vehicle.

 

[22000 Kevin]

This also motivates countries more than ever to obtain nuclear weapons to get themselves off that" US will invade list."

Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons would like to have a word with you...

Something like the Rage Virus would very likely spur the isolationism that still lives in America and with the failure to contain Rage in the UK that would only spread and if

Would isolationist really return when the WAR ON TERROR has only just begun!

Yes the US economy is in Recession with the lost of British, French and German economys in over a spam of a year, thousands of Americans are dead in Europe, religious fanatics are growing in numbers, Gun ownership is reaching record highs and worse of all American Incompetence was the blamed reason for why Europe even got destroyed in the first place...

But one thing that ain't going away is the status that the USA is a the sole Superpower nation on Earth.

The Industrial Military complex will make sure that it keeps that way...

Also hey isn't their talk from the intelligence guys of the US about some Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq... it sure be easy for US Army to invade and score an easy victory for the American public, to shore up some domestic support after all the abysmal disasters in Europe, the US can also punish Saddam Hussein for saying that Europe deserved what happened.

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this invasion liberation of Iraq plan in 2003 to remove the WMDs that your so worried about.

if nothing is done to keep Russia from going as far as it likes in Europe its hard to see why the US would lift a finger elsewhere in the world for Taiwan,South Korea or anywhere else..If the US has lost most of its European partners in NATO then why would they draw any line as far as Russian annexation except maybe the English Channel ?

Okay firstly China is not going to invade Taiwan, unless the US guarantees and promises that it will not intervene in the conflict.

South Korea will always be protected by the US and Japan, whatever Kim is up to will fail, eventually.

Everywhere else next to sea is of importance as businesses next to the sea are very important for the global economy.

Russia will never annexed Western Europe, maybe build some Military bases if the US doesn't make objections somehow, Europe is a wasteland that nobody wants, but the infrastructure is needed.

Also remember Russia is not alone in Europe.

 

[Gillan1220]

Also hey isn't their talk from the intelligence guys of the US about some Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq... it sure be easy for US Army to invade and score an easy victory for the American public, to shore up some domestic support after all the abysmal disasters in Europe, the US can also punish Saddam Hussein for saying that Europe deserved what happened.

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this invasion liberation of Iraq plan in 2003 to remove the WMDs that your so worried about.

The invasion of Iraq is butterflied away here, but the Bush administration continues to keep their eye on Saddam's possible WMDs.

Okay firstly China is not going to invade Taiwan, unless the US guarantees and promises that it will not intervene in the conflict.

South Korea will always be protected by the US and Japan, whatever Kim is up to will fail, eventually.

Not the China of 2002-2003. The PLAN was not capable of a cross-strait invasion at this period. South Korea and Japan would be the same under the American umbrella, as with the Philippines (which just began Operation Enduring Freedom in Mindanao in January 2002) and Singapore (Changi Naval Base which the U.S. could use to help partners against Islamic terrorists in the region).