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The Royal Navy Plans
25th September 1914, London.

Admirals Fisher, Scott and the First Sea Lord Prince Louis of Battenberg were discussing ways for the Royal Navy to take the fight up to the Germans more effectively. Prince Louis had just pointed out that with the Germans pushed back from the Belgian coast it might be possible to mine the German coast line sufficiently thickly to lock the Germans in place, preventing the movement of any shipping. To which Admiral Fisher replied hotly “if we lay enough mines, such that you could walk from Borkum to Sylt without wetting your feet, Germany is blockaded and starved no doubt, but what then?” “The Army would go on gathering all of the laurels of victory, whilst our ships wearing themselves out in thankless patrols, that do nothing to hasten victory in the eyes of the parliament and the press”

Both Admirals concurred with the broad sweep of Fishers sentiments. They had seen how quickly the battle of Thornton Bank, with its heavy losses but clear victory, had been forgotten with the surrender of an entire German Army.

The only role the Royal Navy had played, had come from the Royals and some ancient armoured cruisers, one of which had then been destroyed by an airship. The Royal Naval Air Service was doing sterling work but again this was an adjunct to the main, no what was needed was a way of bringing Germany to its knees, a victory to rival Trafalgar or Quiberon Bay. The High Seas fleet might come out to contend with the Grand Fleet, the destruction of the High Seas fleet would be a victory for the history books. The other road to continued relevance would be to to land an army on the German Coast and push directly for Berlin, but for now the means to do such a thing was lacking.

All three admirals were in agreement, plans would be made to bring draw out the High Seas Fleet, an attack was planned on the German patrol vessels operating on the North Sea coast, this raid would be supported by the Grand Fleet who would be in the offing in the event that the High Seas fleet could be encouraged to sortie. Commodore Keyes who had proposed a raid on the German North Sea patrols was still reporting that they were being conducted to a regular timetable. This regularity would facilitate an attack on the patrol vessels. Whilst this attack was taking place some of the armoured cruisers would bombard the German fortifications on Heligoland. It was hoped that the presence of the armoured cruisers with their low top speed would be a suitable bait, with the possibility occurring to the German Admirals that the cruisers could be cut off, sinking them before other fleet units could arrive to support them. The plan was cold blooded in that it did risk the wholesale destruction of the Armoured cruisers, but with their heavy guns and armour they were better placed to exchange fire with shore defences. They had also been somewhat upgraded with at least limited gunnery direction equipment being fitted to all ships, the forceful efforts of Admiral Scott having already borne some fruit.

The attack would take be planned for a quarter moon in November, to give a long enough night with sufficient light to reduce the risk of collision but minimise the risk of being spotted in turn by patrolling vessels. Whilst the planning for this raid was going on, planning for a larger scheme to attack the German coast directly would be undertaken.
 
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The mystery of the sands
25th September 1914, London.

Lt Erskine Childers RNVR was continuing the work he had been doing since mid August on his return from Dublin, reviewing British and Dutch Admiralty Charts with a view to establishing water depths around Borkum, Juist and the Wadden Sea.
 
Prisoners
25th September 1914, near Lille

Commandant Rene Dupuis was a man with a major problem, his battalion had been called up early in the war. Part of the Reserve of the Territorial army, his battalion was lightly equipped with ancient weapons and had been carrying out lines of communications tasks for 6th Army as they herded the German First Army into the British Guns.

This had all changed with the surrender, suddenly his battalion and many other British and French reserve and territorial battalions, were tasked with guarding almost uncountable numbers of German Prisoners. The requirements of the surrender were simple, the German troops were to stack their arms and colours and offer no resistance to the allied troops. The first order that had been given had required the majority of the Germans to simply march back towards Lille. This was done for two reasons, firstly by increasing the distance any absconders would have to travel to escape, secondly by moving them closer towards the undamaged railheads that would be able to supply the prisoners.

The French and British Army had never expected to have to deal with so many prisoners all at once and the plans they had were rudimentary at best. It was estimated that as many as 220,000 men had been captured, just guarding them would require tens of thousands of men. The prisoners would have to be dispersed across France into whatever accommodation could be found, the prisoners would build their own camps when nothing else was available. The British would also take their share of Prisoners thereby reducing the burden on France.

The numbers of wounded had already completely overwhelmed the Germans capacity to cope and was causing similar problems for the French and British Army as well. Train loads of wounded prisoners were already being dispersed to hospitals throughout France, with some making their way to Britain as well.

The dead were numberless, most unburied as the First Army sought initially to defeat and then escape the trap, scattered amongst the field grey were the blue of France and the khaki of Britain. The Entente Troops would be buried individually, the German dead would be identified where possible, but many would go into mass graves unknown.

The German prisoners would provide the burial parties for the dead of all armies, with full military honours to be accorded to the dead of all sides, the firing parties would for obvious reasons not be German.

As well as the dead men, thousands of horses had been killed in the retreat and defeat, where practical the German and French Armies horse butchers were hard at work turning them into rations. But by this stage several days after the guns had fallen silent the bloated and rotting horse carcases had to be disposed of. This task was also given to the Prisoners.

In all some 50,000 German prisoners would be retained behind the front line, they would work to restore the damage done to French and Belgian villages. Once this work was completed, they would then be evacuated to the POW camps.

But for Commandant Dupuis, the next weeks would be difficult, his men would have to guard prisoners whilst moving this slow-moving column deeper into a France that hated them. It had been suggested that the prisoners be marched through Paris, a ritual humiliation which would no doubt prove popular. But which could well end very badly, a snarling crowd throwing rubbish at prisoners would not make for good propaganda. Dupuis hoped that his charges would simply be loaded onto trains and taken south, they could spend the war working on farms and doing other useful tasks.
 

Errolwi

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It had been suggested that the prisoners be marched through Paris, a ritual humiliation which would no doubt prove popular. But which could well end very badly, a snarling crowd throwing rubbish at prisoners would not make for good propaganda.
Was this not banned until the post-WWI agreements? If so, legal but generally not a good idea as stated.
 
Has banning it actually stopped anyone from doing it?
I do not know, possibly post ww1 conventions. I was thinking of the Soviet parades of prisoners. The French were pretty liberal with pows at the start of the war but got stricter as the war carried on. They sent some to north africa and high caused the Germans tonrespond by sending French prisoners to courland
 
It's not a bad book, a bit slowly paced by modern standards but worth a read. Childers was an interesting character, he ended up being executed by the Irish Free State.
 
Field Marshal Smith Dorrien plans
26th September 1914

Field Marshal Smith-Dorrien was reviewing the disposition of the BEF since the Surrender of the German First Army. The fighting along the new frontline had not died down but it was limited to inconclusive skirmishing, mainly between cavalry patrols and the German rear-guard. Casualties had been heavy in many battalions with losses of up to 40% killed and wounded in some cases. The past two days since the German surrender had been spent in frantic re-organisation. Smith-Dorrien had issued orders to his Army Commanders to expedite the reorganisation of their forces. Where necessary battalions would be amalgamated to bring them back up to full strength, this was contrary to regimental traditions of the British Army and would be resented, but it was a necessary temporary expedient.

The BEF now stretched from the French Fifth Army Boundary near Charleroi to the Belgian Antwerp Garrison positions near Termonde. British First Army was holding the line from the boundary with the French to Braine-le-Comte and on to Enghien, the Second Army from Enghien to Gramont and Sottegem, the Third Army from Sottegem to Wetteren and on to Termonde where it joined the Belgians.

Facing the British were the remnants of X Corps which had been badly handled thus far and had retired from its initial position between Jurbise and Braine-le-Comte, it had retreated in good order towards Waterloo in an attempt to reform and form a line between the Brussels and the Second army positions before Namur. Conforming with that movement Xr Corps had retired towards Nivelles. To the north of Belgium IIIr corps was also slowly retiring towards Brussels, IVr corps was continuing to screen the Antwerp Garrison. The German Forces in Brussels were in a dangerous position, significantly outnumbered and with their supply lines threatened by the Antwerp Garrison, they also faced a real risk of being enveloped.

Field Marshal Smith Dorrien was not inclined to give the Germans in Belgium any breathing room, an attack on the Brussels Garrison directly was an option but would also result in the destruction of the city. Better to try and cut the Germans off completely and compel them to either retreat or surrender. As well as the three British Armies under his command, Smith Dorrien had temporarily been given command of the French Sixth Army. They had initially taken charge of the management of Prisoners of War, however in keeping with the Hague convention many of the prisoners would have to be transferred to British control. The War Office was already working on a scheme for the management of the haul of men. The prisoner escort role was going to fall on the Territorial and Territorial Reserve units, the Active and Reserve units would soon be moving up to take part in the next phase of the action. Smith Dorrien was particularly keen to use the 1st Moroccan Division, they had proven to be doughty fighters in defence and would no doubt be just as resolute in the attack.

The timing of the attack was driven by a range of factors, but the longer he waited the more time the Germans had to reinforce their positions and recover their morale. It would be better to attack before everything was ready in order to keep the momentum up. Otherwise it could rapidly become a bloody slaughter such as the Germans had just experienced, with that thought ringing in his mind Smith Dorrien went off to hurry along his subordinates.
 
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Asking for a friend. Is an attack on the German North Sea Islands considered to be the WW1 equivalent of the unspeakable sea mammal?
 
I was thinking of the Soviet parades of prisoners.
The Soviet Union wasn't a party to voluntary binding conventions, only to the laws and customs of war.
The Germans had by common recognition dishonoured the laws and customs of war.
This of course doesn't make any of it "nice."

yours,
Sam R.
 
Asking for a friend. Is an attack on the German North Sea Islands considered to be the WW1 equivalent of the unspeakable sea mammal?
I believe an proposed invasion of Frisian Islands, and the resultant “Sealion Effect” stemmed from one member who was quite sure the D-Day landings in Normandy was a mistake and they should have landed in the Frisians Instead. It predated my arrival but seemed to be quite an exciting discussion.

I don’t believe anyone has proposed a WWI Frisian invasion on the board, although I do know the War Office did plan amphibious assaults along the Belgian Coast. They were very close to the front, however. Only a dozen miles, IIRC.

(It wasn’t on AH, but I know someone who flippantly suggested capturing Heligoland in WWI with RNAS Zeppelins full of Marines…)

Still, there is comfort if everything goes wrong in a Frisian Adventure: from Gallipoli and Dunkirk to Kabul we’ve always been rather good at organising evacuations…
 

Errolwi

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Still, there is comfort if everything goes wrong in a Frisian Adventure: from Gallipoli and Dunkirk to Kabul we’ve always been rather good at organising evacuations…
I'm working, so don't have time to work out the success rate of Kabul evacuations. At least one went very (keep the last bullet for yourself) badly.
 
I'm working, so don't have time to work out the success rate of Kabul evacuations. At least one went very (keep the last bullet for yourself) badly.
It's OK, one guy escaped.
 

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