I always have a feeling that Communism will never die in this TL despite the nonexistence of the USSR.
Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191
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Out of Curiosity, does anyone know what a TL 191 version of "The Only Thing to Fear" and "Live in Infamy" would be like?
Basically, they are both set in a world where the Axis Powers won WW2 through the use of Super Soldiers. The United States is divided between the German Reich (who rules the US east of the mississippi like a Colony rather than a puppet), the Japanese, who rule everything else in the US, and aren't much better, and the Italians, who rule the Dakotas (Which is weird).
Basically, Germany and Japan have supersoldiers and are still good friends, but the Germans don't export their tech to the Japanese, and the Italians are only still around because they are friendly enough with Germany. Also, the USSR is still around, thanks to them also making SuperSoldiers, and there is a Faux Cold War between the USSR and Germany.
Anyone have any ideas for a TL 191 version of that?
Basically, they are both set in a world where the Axis Powers won WW2 through the use of Super Soldiers. The United States is divided between the German Reich (who rules the US east of the mississippi like a Colony rather than a puppet), the Japanese, who rule everything else in the US, and aren't much better, and the Italians, who rule the Dakotas (Which is weird).
Basically, Germany and Japan have supersoldiers and are still good friends, but the Germans don't export their tech to the Japanese, and the Italians are only still around because they are friendly enough with Germany. Also, the USSR is still around, thanks to them also making SuperSoldiers, and there is a Faux Cold War between the USSR and Germany.
Anyone have any ideas for a TL 191 version of that?
Havana SWAT, moving in after 3 members of the LLF took hostages in a Havana nightclub, July 18th, 1996. This picture was taken minutes before HPD stormed the nightclub. Although they killed all 3 gunmen, 5 hostages died in the crossfire. Governed Castro would later appoint a committee to determine what went wrong during the siege.
That sounds like it would be a interesting pulp comic premise or book series read by the masses in TL-191!
Imagine it, reading about an alternate timeline from our world read by people from TL-191. That'd be a trip.Sorry, but I haven't read those stories. While Confederate super-soldiers sounds interesting, I'd be the wrong person to ask about regarding all of that.
Oh! But maybe the idea of "super-soldiers" is like a sci-fi thing people would read about in magazines in TL-191?
Charles Monroe Schulz (1922-2000) was an American cartoonist best known for his newspaper comic strip Peanuts.
During the Second Great War, Schulz was drafted into the US Army, where he became a staff sergeant in the 20th Armored Division. He saw extensive action in both Pennsylvania and Virginia.
Photo of Staff Sgt. Charles Schulz, circa SGW
Peanuts would run in newspapers from 1950 to 2000, the last strip running the day after Schulz's death on Feb. 13, 2000.
Schulz at his drawing desk with a drawing of Snoopy
Peanuts tended to be apolitical in sharp contrast to the more elaborately rendered comic strip Pogo by Walt Kelly (1913-1973), a staunch Socialist for most of his life.
One of the best known gimmicks from Peanuts involved Charlie Brown's dog, Snoopy, pretending he's a Great War Flying Ace. He'd "fly" around on his doghouse (his biplane) and fought against the Dread Baron, a Confederate ace, who always shot down Snoopy.
Still from an animated Peanuts special, where Great War flying ace Snoopy taunts the Confederate Dread Baron
During the Second Great War, Schulz was drafted into the US Army, where he became a staff sergeant in the 20th Armored Division. He saw extensive action in both Pennsylvania and Virginia.
Photo of Staff Sgt. Charles Schulz, circa SGW
Peanuts would run in newspapers from 1950 to 2000, the last strip running the day after Schulz's death on Feb. 13, 2000.
Schulz at his drawing desk with a drawing of Snoopy
Peanuts tended to be apolitical in sharp contrast to the more elaborately rendered comic strip Pogo by Walt Kelly (1913-1973), a staunch Socialist for most of his life.
One of the best known gimmicks from Peanuts involved Charlie Brown's dog, Snoopy, pretending he's a Great War Flying Ace. He'd "fly" around on his doghouse (his biplane) and fought against the Dread Baron, a Confederate ace, who always shot down Snoopy.
Still from an animated Peanuts special, where Great War flying ace Snoopy taunts the Confederate Dread Baron
The Dread Baron! I like this!
Now its interesting to see that even changes in TL-191 have small cultural changes too. Peanuts is still made, but the experiences of the man behind it are different to ever so slightly change certain things in the comic strip. Nice work!
Speaking of Walt Kelly...
Pogo was an American newspaper comic strip that ran from 1948 to 1975. From start to finish, it was written and illustrated by Walt Kelly (1913-1973). However, towards the end, his failing health forced his assistants to draw most of the Pogo strips.
Walt Kelly drawing Pogo Possum
Pogo was a humor comic strip; unlike Peanuts, it dealt with sociopolitical issues through the eyes of its characters like Pogo Possum, Albert Alligator, Porky Pine, Howland Owl, Miz Beaver and many more. One particular example made Pogo memorable in the annals of American comic history.
Deacon Mushrat dealing with Jerk Featherbrain (Jake Featherston)
On May 1, 1953, Kelly introduced a character who frequently associated with Molester Mole and Deacon Mushrat - Jerk Featherbrain, a blatant caricature of Jake Featherston. This showed considerable courage on Kelly's part, considering the memories of the Second Great War were still fresh in people's minds.
The backlash was widespread. Newspapers in major cities like New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, etc. were bombarded with hate mail, angry at Kelly for making light of Featherston's serious actions before and during the SGW. The former Confederacy was even worse; in 1954, the newspaper the Jonesboro Sun threatened to drop Pogo if Featherbrain showed his face again. In response, Kelly drew a strip with Featherbrain putting a bag over his head and saying "no one from Jonesboro should see me!"
In regards to the hate mail and even death threats received over the Featherston caricature, Kelly responded "They identified him, I didn't."
Pogo was an American newspaper comic strip that ran from 1948 to 1975. From start to finish, it was written and illustrated by Walt Kelly (1913-1973). However, towards the end, his failing health forced his assistants to draw most of the Pogo strips.
Walt Kelly drawing Pogo Possum
Pogo was a humor comic strip; unlike Peanuts, it dealt with sociopolitical issues through the eyes of its characters like Pogo Possum, Albert Alligator, Porky Pine, Howland Owl, Miz Beaver and many more. One particular example made Pogo memorable in the annals of American comic history.
Deacon Mushrat dealing with Jerk Featherbrain (Jake Featherston)
On May 1, 1953, Kelly introduced a character who frequently associated with Molester Mole and Deacon Mushrat - Jerk Featherbrain, a blatant caricature of Jake Featherston. This showed considerable courage on Kelly's part, considering the memories of the Second Great War were still fresh in people's minds.
The backlash was widespread. Newspapers in major cities like New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, etc. were bombarded with hate mail, angry at Kelly for making light of Featherston's serious actions before and during the SGW. The former Confederacy was even worse; in 1954, the newspaper the Jonesboro Sun threatened to drop Pogo if Featherbrain showed his face again. In response, Kelly drew a strip with Featherbrain putting a bag over his head and saying "no one from Jonesboro should see me!"
In regards to the hate mail and even death threats received over the Featherston caricature, Kelly responded "They identified him, I didn't."
Elaborate? McSweeney didn't strike me as the political type, what with the whole bit of him charging tanks and river gun boats with nothing but a flamethrower
You know, I just realized how awesome a TL-191 version of "300" would be starring Gordon Mcsweeney and set during the FGW.Elaborate? McSweeney didn't strike me as the political type, what with the whole bit of him charging tanks and river gun boats with nothing but a flamethrower
An American Police Officer in Cuba after an LLF attack.
Koreans native to the Sandwhich Islands protesting the Imperial Japanese Occupation of Korea.
Film Director Kim Jong Il with his crew on set of the film "Eastasia Forever." Kim was one of the staunchest supporters for Korean Independence, even stating that he would not die until his country was free, leading to many of his films being banned in Japan for a brief amount of time. Ironically, he would die the same day Imperial Japanese Prime Minister Katsumoto announced that Korea would become an "Autonomous Colony." Currently, Kim's son, Kim Jong Un (Depicted below) is a Pro-Basketball Player
*NOTE: This is just a small part of my opinion about how I view the future of the Britain after the end of the Second Great War.
Typical Textbook Material on the History of the Former Great Britain (since 1945):
While mostly a German desire than an American one, it was decided by the main victors of the Second Great War to permanently cripple the British Empire so that it may never again challenge German interests in Europe and around the world. In accordance with the British Instrument of Surrender, the British Empire was officially dissolved. The Republic of Scotland and the Republic of Wales were carved out of the British Isles. All that remained was the "Kingdom of England" after it was decided that the King would be spared in order to give the new English people a symbol of unity. Ireland was given its full autonomy again, after three years of occupation. British colonies were given the choice between independence or incorporation into the German Empire. Most chose the former than the latter. Different instruments of surrender were done with both Russia and France, the latter of which surrendered all of its territories around the world, which also resulted in the vast majority becoming independent.
American Diplomacy with former British Colonies
Sometime after the Inauguration of President Thomas E. Dewey, War Crime trials were held in Brussels to put Mosley and several members of the British government in prison. Nearly all of them would be executed during the rest of the 1940's. The United States began scramble for influence with the newly independent nations that once belonged to Britain. Australia and New Zealand were eager to accept American friendship so that it will reduce the likelihood of Japanese meddling in their affairs. English-speaking African nations were at first, hesitant to be associated with a place that contained the dead bodies of African-descended people, but were reassured by the United States government that they have an anti-racist policy and are committed to support African countries in any way they can, regardless of how much Germany complains. The first test of such a promise occurred when the Republic of South Africa tried setting up an apartheid system, only to be threatened with economic sanctions and eventual superbombing of the region. Germany interfered and tried to convince the United States to let it handle the problem on its own, but was embarrassed when the newly formed African nations began to be aligned with the United States since they saw it with (perceived) higher moral credibility in this situation.
While the new nations that formed from the British isles created their own unique flags, there was great controversy with the flag of Scotland. American citizens complained that it looked too similar to the former Confederate cross and that the government should not recognize Scotland until they changed their flag. One Scottish official noted how bizarre the American's "culture of outrage" is due to the fact that St. Andrew's Cross has no racist connotations on this side of the Atlantic.
Scotland's original flag
Proposed alternate Scottish flag (1)
Proposed alternate Scottish flag (2)
The Sun Does Set On The British Empire
While mostly a German desire than an American one, it was decided by the main victors of the Second Great War to permanently cripple the British Empire so that it may never again challenge German interests in Europe and around the world. In accordance with the British Instrument of Surrender, the British Empire was officially dissolved. The Republic of Scotland and the Republic of Wales were carved out of the British Isles. All that remained was the "Kingdom of England" after it was decided that the King would be spared in order to give the new English people a symbol of unity. Ireland was given its full autonomy again, after three years of occupation. British colonies were given the choice between independence or incorporation into the German Empire. Most chose the former than the latter. Different instruments of surrender were done with both Russia and France, the latter of which surrendered all of its territories around the world, which also resulted in the vast majority becoming independent.
American Diplomacy with former British Colonies
Sometime after the Inauguration of President Thomas E. Dewey, War Crime trials were held in Brussels to put Mosley and several members of the British government in prison. Nearly all of them would be executed during the rest of the 1940's. The United States began scramble for influence with the newly independent nations that once belonged to Britain. Australia and New Zealand were eager to accept American friendship so that it will reduce the likelihood of Japanese meddling in their affairs. English-speaking African nations were at first, hesitant to be associated with a place that contained the dead bodies of African-descended people, but were reassured by the United States government that they have an anti-racist policy and are committed to support African countries in any way they can, regardless of how much Germany complains. The first test of such a promise occurred when the Republic of South Africa tried setting up an apartheid system, only to be threatened with economic sanctions and eventual superbombing of the region. Germany interfered and tried to convince the United States to let it handle the problem on its own, but was embarrassed when the newly formed African nations began to be aligned with the United States since they saw it with (perceived) higher moral credibility in this situation.
While the new nations that formed from the British isles created their own unique flags, there was great controversy with the flag of Scotland. American citizens complained that it looked too similar to the former Confederate cross and that the government should not recognize Scotland until they changed their flag. One Scottish official noted how bizarre the American's "culture of outrage" is due to the fact that St. Andrew's Cross has no racist connotations on this side of the Atlantic.
Scotland's original flag
Proposed alternate Scottish flag (1)
Proposed alternate Scottish flag (2)
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Hah, I like that bit about the flag, and of the outrage of Americans.
I don't really imagine the UK being broken up given how both the US and the German Empire NEEDED a still-potent Britain to counter the Japanese Empire. It may receive the same treatment as OTL post-1945 Japan.
In OTL, despite it being on the winning side twice, the British Empire's influence and power was declining. EmperorTigerstar mentions this interesting piece of history.
I don't remember reading a line that mentioned the U.S. and Germans needed the British to force Japan to back off. At this point, Britain is just a shadow of its former self and I'd think that the victors of war would want to keep it that way for a very long time. Basically, Britain experiences what Germany and Austria-Hungary did in OTL after the events of WWI and WWII in this timeline.
Besides, the idea of an independent Scotland is so tempting that I decided to incorporate it into my version of post-1945 in TL-191.
I can imagine something like this happening to France more than Britain in all honesty, since they were far more Fascist-like than Britain. TBF, I get the feeling that people in TL-191 would say the same thing about Japan in OTL after World War 2 (Saying that Japan would probably be divided between America, Russia, and China while Germany is unified to hold back against the Soviets. Actually, that would make an interesting DBWI: WW2 Aftermath.)
I view Britain and France experiencing the occupation treatment. However, only Britain is cut to pieces as a type of payback for bombing Hamburg... despite being bombed by the Germans THREE times!!! Perhaps since France surrendered more easily than Britain ever did, they would be the ones to experience a Japanese-like occupation of their country compared to OTL. I've though about the idea of a North France vs. South France carving of nations, but I changed my mind given that I am not knowledgeable enough in French history to know about what territories have been more vocal about autonomy and that it is too parallel to West Germany vs. East Germany in real-life.
Well I know for sure that Ireland would be independent, North and all. All I can really know is that Britain and France would fall into the German Sphere, But if Britain still has its colonies after the SGW, that they would be a useful ally in the Indian Ocean against Japan. And I recall that Britain didn't really lose any major colonies to Germany, aside from Canada in the US.
I'm just speculating, at this point, since Turtledove never mentioned other British Colonies. I'd like to see Germany support Indian Independence.