Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

Good picture! Nice choice of names for the concentration camps, too!

I would also include a hypothetical Republic of Jamaica, too.

Hmm... I think they would leave the Domincan Republic alone and work together with Trujillo to get rid of the Black population of the Hispanola Island.

Thanks! I got the camp names from Joshua Ben Ari in fact. (And the Trujillo is the one who send the Afro-Dominicans over to the camps in the first place, but I can edit it.)
 
A massive explosion at Jacksonville, Florida during a Union bombing raid. Being a major military and civilian deep-water port, as well as being a leading transportation and distribution hub in the state, the city came under heavy bombing by the United States Air Force flying from the Bahamas (Again once retaken.), Jamaica, or Aircraft carries.

Pearl-Harbor-Attack.jpg
 
A black guerrilla capturing a whole unit of Galvanized Yankees at the end of the war. Note how they have wearing Union uniforms in a attempt to disguise themselves and escape capture.

12th-ad-soldier-1945.gif
 

The Hatian Embassy Siege October 8th-11th

782px-Embajada_de_Haití_%28Buenos_Aires%29.JPG

The Haitian Embassy in Washington DC. Pictured today.

On October 8th 1992, 6 members of the Sons of Freedom stormed the Embassy.

images


Corporal Theodore Jackson, the officer responsible for guarding the Embassy that day, was subdued by the attackers. 19 were taken hostage, 12 Hatians and 7 Americans.

davis600.jpg


The gunman released a hostage, interpreter Guy Gabriel, (center, being escroted away by police. )as a sign of good faith, early into the standoff.


images

However, as negotiations dragged on, the leader of the group, 'General' Paul Gary, seen above., grew impatient, and had one of the hostages, executed. A few minutes later, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team was given the go ahead to liberate the Embassy.
images


Two teams of the HRT, totaling 22, rappled down from the roof and engaged the gunmen, as the news cameras rolled. Gary was tackled by Corporal Jackson as he attempted to fire on the Agents, giving them time to kill the 'General'. 4 of the other terrorists also died. 3 were shot by the HRT Team members, the other was shot by the police officers surrounding the Embassy, as he tried to flee. The last of them fled outside, were he was wounded by a police sniper and taken in custody.

The above image, taken a UPI photographer, Edward Jonas, went on to win the Pulitzer prize for that year.
 
Mare Nostrum? What's that mean?

It what the Romans call the Mediterranean Sea. It means 'Our Sea'. Italian nationalists and later Mussolini was very big on it, of turning the Mediterranean into a Italian lake much as it was after Rome's first victory in the Punic Wars onwards.
 
It what the Romans call the Mediterranean Sea. It means 'Our Sea'. Italian nationalists and later Mussolini was very big on it, of turning the Mediterranean into a Italian lake much as it was after Rome's first victory in the Punic Wars onwards.

Oh I see then. So in that context... Mexico and/or the Confederates want to make the Caribbean a "Confederate/Mexican Lake".
 
I love this "fanon" history! :)

It reminds a lot from Joshua Ben Ari's take on Trujillo on the FILLING IN THE FUTURE thread.

I'm flattered it made you think of my take on Trujillo!

I'm glad you like it! I have one planned for Nicaragua and maybe Mexico. I figured with all the talk around Haiti and the Caribbean recently it might be good to have something to maybe revolve around since Turtledove's pretty quiet about this part of the world.

I really like your post, it's very well done. Trujillo always seemed, to me anyway, to be the quintessential opportunist who ended up getting burned by his association with Featherston.
 
61wefo8F8XL._SL500_.jpg

61NLCLuheGL._SX376_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

settlingaccountsdrive.jpg


^^^ Alternative covers for Turtledove's Settling Accounts Series. American soldiers and equipment prominently sporting the Confederate flag. I think who ever was marketing the books and audio-books was really on the mark here in terms of grabbing buyer attention.

What I like about the last one there is that it clearly shows an M24 Chaffee light tank. Might have been a late war model, but I can accept that tank (barrel) development advanced at much more rapid pace in this timeline.
 
Out of curiosity, according to people here, how did Military Uniforms and Weapons (Like guns and such) evolve in this TL for the different countries compared to their OTL counterparts?
 
Out of curiosity, according to people here, how did Military Uniforms and Weapons (Like guns and such) evolve in this TL for the different countries compared to their OTL counterparts?

Well, there's this forum here if you're interested - https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...d-weapons-of-the-freedom-party-guards.450965/

^^^ Its where a discussion about Freedom Party Guardsmen's uniforms and weapons is going on, what they may look like and such.

But you're talking about other countries outside of the Confederacy and the United States, right? Like the uniforms of Tl-191's France, Britain, Germany, and Russia?

Hm. That's a good question actually. Britain and France effectively have pro-fascist like governments in control of their countries I believe. And with Russia not being the USSR, instead continuing to be lead by a Tsar, there would absolutely be differences in uniforms to reflect this.

I got a few ideas for this, more like templates for where to start, but its something. Lets get started.

TL-191 Tsarist Russian Army Uniforms - circa 1918-1926.

kornilov 5.jpg

800px_COLOURBOX12058100.jpg

Drozdovsky 6.jpg

Misc 2.jpg


^^^ As far as the Tsarist Russians go, I believe they'd adopt uniforms akin to what the many White Russian Armies adopted during their civil war against the Bolsheviks. And since they technically won I can believe some of the uniforms would stick around too for a time. They're really quite colorful and wild actually. Now this is only for around 1918 up to the mid 1920's at least. They would definitely retain the insignia other miscellaneous uniform items for a time. Again just a starting template to go off of when trying visualize TL-191's Russian army in a certain time period.

TL-191 French Uniforms: circa 1941-1944

261f6b57e0f0b403bb508c9a03b20bf9.jpg


605cf9f7e37f9aaf1f76bbd4f88b1678.jpg


47747a7ed3227a0ab2023a840328fbbb.jpg


^^^ Now this one might harder to visualize. Action Francaise in our time line, although far right and supported the Vichy French government, was already on its way out before the beginning of WW2 due to the rise of fascism. I'd have to look into it again in Turtledove's timeline, but I believe it wanted to restore the monarchy in France. Since the monarchy is restored in France in TL-191, we might have a change in uniforms that are similar to the Vichy French, but sport fascist symbols or insignia, instead going for more royalist looking symbols and insignia. I could be wrong though. Either way this was the closest template I could think of when visualizing what the French Army might look like if it were the bad guys.
 
Well, there's this forum here if you're interested - https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...d-weapons-of-the-freedom-party-guards.450965/

^^^ Its where a discussion about Freedom Party Guardsmen's uniforms and weapons is going on, what they may look like and such.

But you're talking about other countries outside of the Confederacy and the United States, right? Like the uniforms of Tl-191's France, Britain, Germany, and Russia?

Hm. That's a good question actually. Britain and France effectively have pro-fascist like governments in control of their countries I believe. And with Russia not being the USSR, instead continuing to be lead by a Tsar, there would absolutely be differences in uniforms to reflect this.

I got a few ideas for this, more like templates for where to start, but its something. Lets get started.

TL-191 Tsarist Russian Army Uniforms - circa 1918-1926.

View attachment 407341
View attachment 407342
View attachment 407343
View attachment 407344

^^^ As far as the Tsarist Russians go, I believe they'd adopt uniforms akin to what the many White Russian Armies adopted during their civil war against the Bolsheviks. And since they technically won I can believe some of the uniforms would stick around too for a time. They're really quite colorful and wild actually. Now this is only for around 1918 up to the mid 1920's at least. They would definitely retain the insignia other miscellaneous uniform items for a time. Again just a starting template to go off of when trying visualize TL-191's Russian army in a certain time period.

TL-191 French Uniforms: circa 1941-1944

View attachment 407349

View attachment 407350

View attachment 407352

^^^ Now this one might harder to visualize. Action Francaise in our time line, although far right and supported the Vichy French government, was already on its way out before the beginning of WW2 due to the rise of fascism. I'd have to look into it again in Turtledove's timeline, but I believe it wanted to restore the monarchy in France. Since the monarchy is restored in France in TL-191, we might have a change in uniforms that are similar to the Vichy French, but sport fascist symbols or insignia, instead going for more royalist looking symbols and insignia. I could be wrong though. Either way this was the closest template I could think of when visualizing what the French Army might look like if it were the bad guys.
This is really helpful! My question was also how military tech and uniforms evolved after the SGW in countries like the US, Germany, and Japan. But I am also curious about the firearms of the European Front of the SGW as well. Thanks for the link as well!
 
This is really helpful! My question was also how military tech and uniforms evolved after the SGW in countries like the US, Germany, and Japan. But I am also curious about the firearms of the European Front of the SGW as well. Thanks for the link as well!

Yeah, no problem man!

Military tech and uniforms after the Second Great War huh? So after TL-191 1944? I don't know anything about that, but I'm sure someone here has ideas for that too. For me things get harder to visualize after 1944 in this timeline because of how different the world would be, including the armies of each nation. I like the time period between 1862-1944 personally, but that's just me. So, if anyone has ideas for that they'd definitely let ya know!

Or better yet you can open up a new thread on the topic that can focus on it! I know your question here got me thinking about it for sure!
 
Yeah, no problem man!

Military tech and uniforms after the Second Great War huh? So after TL-191 1944? I don't know anything about that, but I'm sure someone here has ideas for that too. For me things get harder to visualize after 1944 in this timeline because of how different the world would be, including the armies of each nation. I like the time period between 1862-1944 personally, but that's just me. So, if anyone has ideas for that they'd definitely let ya know!

Or better yet you can open up a new thread on the topic that can focus on it! I know your question here got me thinking about it for sure!
Alright, here it is if you are interested: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-post-war-military-tech-and-uniforms.451612/
 
17240030511_b628be9e07_b-jpg.407395

Colorized photo of Union Soldiers questioning and inspecting a group of Southern Civilians during the occupation of the South throughout the 1950s.
 
Top