TL-191: Filling the Gaps

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List of Governors of Idaho

1. George Laird Shoup (Democratic) (1890-1893)
2. N. B. Willey (Democratic) (1893-1896)
3. William J. McConnell (Democratic) (1896-1899)
4. Frank Steunenberg (Democratic) (1899-1903)
5. Frank W. Hunt (Democratic) (1903-1905)
6. John T. Morrison (Democratic) (1905-1907)
7. Frank R. Gooding (Democratic) (1907-1909)
8. James H. Brady (Democratic) (1909-1911)
9. James H. Hawley (Democratic) (1911-1915)
10. John M. Haines (Democratic) (1915-1919)
11. Moses Alexander (Socialist) (1919-1923)
12. D. W. Davis (Democratic) (1923-1925)
13. Charles C. Moore (Democratic) (1925-1929)
14. H. C. Baldridge (Democratic) (1929-1933)
15. C. Ben Ross (Socialist) (1933-1937)
16. Barzilla Worth Clark (Socialist) (1937-1939)
17. C. A. Bottolfsen (Democratic) (1939-1941)
18. Chase A. Clark (Democratic) (1941-1943)
19. Charles C. Gossett (Socialist) (1943-1945)
20. Arnold Williams (Socialist) (1945- )
 

Tiro

President Mahan said:
Are these OTL figures or something you have extrapolated?
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Purely culled from our own timeline, as I am not statistical whiz and preferred to use the historical census to give an idea of the demographic differences between the United States and the Southern Confederacy: please know that I think your thoughts on the subject very sensible and happily accept that these lists will be superseded by something put together through a more rigorous algorithm than "look up Wikipedia, throw list together" (as soon as we work out what the best way of calculating Southern Victory population figures).

In all honesty I'm not the man to do it, not least because the freedom afforded by approximate (rather than hard-and-fast) figures makes writing much easier for me - also because the sort of calculations needed to estimate population growth et al include too many moving parts when one cannot simply send out the census and ask citizens & residents to list themselves!:coldsweat:
 
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Tiro

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Ranked by Land Area c.1910)

1. California (155,779 mi²).*
2. Dakota (147,813 mi²).
3. Montana (121,590 mi²).
4. Nevada (110,571 mi²).
5. Colorado (104,093 mi²).
6. Oregon (98,378 mi²).
7. Wyoming (97,813 mi²).
8. Michigan (96,713 mi²).
9. Minnesota (86,935 mi²).
10. Utah (84,896 mi²).
11. Idaho (83,568 mi²).
12. Kansas (82,278 mi²).
13. Nebraska (77,347 mi²).
14. Washington (71,297 mi²).
15. Missouri (69,706 mi²).
16. Wisconsin (65,496 mi²).
17. Illinois (149,995 mi²).
18. Iowa (56,272 mi²).
19. New York (54,554 mi²).
20. Pennsylvania (46,054 mi²).
21. Ohio (44,825 mi²).
22. Indiana (36,419 mi²).
23. Maine** (35,379 mi²).
24. West Virginia (24,230 mi²).
25. Maryland (12,405 mi²).
26. Massachusetts (10,554 mi²).
27. Vermont (9616 mi²).
28. New Hampshire (9349 mi²).
29. New Jersey (8722 mi²).
30. Connecticut (5543 mi²).
31. Delaware (2488 mi²).
32. Rhode Island (1544 mi²).


*Within two years New Mexico will enter this chart at #1 with an imperial 235,580 mi² to boost it into the Top Spot.

**Much smaller in Timeline-191, prior to the Great War, owing to the consequences of the Blaine Administration: one would appreciate any help you can give me r.e working out land area and population of Maine prior to reunification, but will use the State as it existed in our own Timeline as a placeholder.


THE UNITED STATES RANKED BY POPULATION (c.1910)

1. New York - 9,113,614.
2. Pennsylvania - 7,665,111.
3. Illinois - 5,638,591.
4. Ohio - 4,767,121.
5. Massachusetts - 3,366,416.
6. Missouri - 3,293,335.
7. Michigan - 2,810,173.
8. Indiana - 2,700,876.
9. New Jersey - 2,537,167.
10. California - 2,377,549.
11. Wisconsin - 2,333,860.
12. Iowa - 2,224,771.
13. Minnesota - 2,075,708.
14. Kansas - 1,690,949.
15. Maryland - 1,295,346.
16. West Virginia - 1,221,119.
17. Nebraska - 1,192,214.
18. Washington - 1,141,990.
19. Dakota - 1,160,944.
20. Connecticut - 1,114,756.
21. Colorado - 799,024.
22. Maine - 742,371.**
23. Oregon - 672,765.
24. Rhode Island - 542,610.
25. New Hampshire - 430,572.***
26. Montana - 376,053.
27. Utah - 373,351.
28. Vermont - 355,956.
29. Idaho - 325,594.
30. Delaware - 202,322.
31. Wyoming - 145,965.
32. Nevada - 81,875.

***Destined to be supplanted by the 531,655 citizens resident in New Mexico when the latter transforms from Territory to State.
 

Tiro

I suspect that the population of Utah might well be smaller at this point in Timeline 191 (the less confrontational Mormons getting out while they can and a few more non-Saints simply deciding to head elsewhere); I believe it has also been hinted that New Mexico has a somewhat smaller population, but I have thought that for the sake of clarity it made more sense to use the figures from our own Timeline rather than risk making a fool of myself playing around with numbers without first seeking advice from more mathematically-savvy individuals.:biggrin:
 

Tiro

A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to the FILLING THE GAPS "Cabinet" and Seasons Greetings to those kind enough to take an interest in our ramblings!
 

Tiro

Like the Resolute Desk, but built on the vertical and not the horizontal (with more room to keep goodies in various nooks & crannies).;)
 

Tiro

I've been wrangling a little with possible subjects for this thread and (as you may have noted) have failed to post any of them for two months and twelve days!

Nevertheless one has finally come up with something and shall be posting shortly.:)
 

Tiro

CLASSES of CONFEDERATE STATES SENATORS

The CONFEDERATE SENATE was, like the United States Senate, comprised of members elected for six years terms by the legislature of each Southern State (with each State having two senators). In addition to the twelves states that would constitute the Confederacy after the War of Secession (Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia), representatives from Missouri were also seated in the First Confederate States Senate.

Following on from precedent set by the pre-Secession United States, as each new state was admitted into the Southern Confederacy its first two senators would be sorted into different classes (exactly which two classes being determined by a scheme intended to keep the sizes as close to equal as possible - with the largest class being larger than the smallest by no more than one member); senators from States acquired after the War of Secession were traditionally assigned to their respective classes by a coin toss.


Members of the First Confederate Senate were divided by lot into classes on February 21, 1862. Class one: 1862-64 and 1864-70, Class two: 1862-66 and Class three: 1862-68.

(This was done to allow for a staggered turnover of membership, allowing for a balance between the desire to avoid disruptive change and a wish for more frequent elections).


Class 1 consisted of:-

-: Senators with terms that ended in 1864, 1870, 1876, 1882, 1888, 1894, 1900, 1906, 1912, 1918, 1924, 1930, 1936, 1942, 1944.

-: Senators from the States of Alabama, Arkansas, Chihuahua, Cuba, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, Sequoyah, Sonora.


Class 2 consisted of:-

-: Senators with terms that ended in 1866, 1872, 1878, 1884, 1890, 1896, 1902, 1908, 1914, 1920, 1926, 1932, 1938, 1944.

-: Senators from the States of Chihuahua, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Sonora, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia.


Class 3 consisted of:-

-: Senators with terms that ended in 1868, 1874, 1880, 1886, 1892, 1898, 1904, 1910, 1916, 1922, 1928, 1934, 1940, 1944.

-: Senators from the States of Alabama, Arkansas, Cuba, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Sequoyah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia.


*State Permanently Lost to the Confederacy (Missouri was formally relinquished after the War of Secession and Sequoyah conquered in the Great War).

**End of Confederate States Senate.
 

Tiro

Now here's an interesting tidbit from History that may have some bearing on this thread - apparently His Imperial Majesty Maximilian of Mexico intended to divide his new Empire into new units based on Political Science rather than tradition (he actually signed a Decree effecting this transition); I wonder what impact this would have on the precise borders of the Confederate States of America after the Second Mexican War?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ions_of_Mexico_1865_(location_map_scheme).svg

^A map of the new sub-divisions of Mexico; if nothing else a Mexican province of Arizona helps explain why New Mexico took the latter name rather than the other!^
 
Alexander North

Alexander North

Tiro said:
Now here's an interesting tidbit from History that may have some bearing on this thread - apparently His Imperial Majesty Maximilian of Mexico intended to divide his new Empire into new units based on Political Science rather than tradition (he actually signed a Decree effecting this transition); I wonder what impact this would have on the precise borders of the Confederate States of America after the Second Mexican War?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ions_of_Mexico_1865_(location_map_scheme).svg

^A map of the new sub-divisions of Mexico; if nothing else a Mexican province of Arizona helps explain why New Mexico took the latter name rather than the other!^
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I've commented on this matter before in a different Timeline-191 thread- to gain the territory shown on the maps, the Confederates would have had to purchase the states of Batopilas, Alamos, and Arizona in addition to Sonora and Chihuahua, and even then the borders aren't perfectly accurate. Additionally, it wouldn't make sense to purchase all of those unneeded extra states if all they want is a path to the sea.

While we're on the subject: if anyone could transfer the Mexican internal borders on that map to the worlda map, I'd be very grateful. It'd be a great help for a Timeline-191 project I'm working on.
 

Thon Taddeo

Alexander North said:
I've commented on this matter before in a different Timeline-191 thread- to gain the territory shown on the maps, the Confederates would have had to purchase the states of Batopilas, Alamos, and Arizona in addition to Sonora and Chihuahua, and even then the borders aren't perfectly accurate. Additionally, it wouldn't make sense to purchase all of those unneeded extra states if all they want is a path to the sea.

While we're on the subject: if anyone could transfer the Mexican internal borders on that map to the worlda map, I'd be very grateful. It'd be a great help for a Timeline-191 project I'm working on.
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Here you go! I didn't make this, and I'm not sure who did.
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Sierra

Sierra

*Claws up from the backlog and inhales*

Hello everyone. I just spent the last four days working my way through this thread from the beginning. I wanted to thank everyone for the wonderful and interesting work on the background what has been one of my favorite book series since I splurged and got it on Kindle six months ago. Being a rather OCD person. I always appreciate details being filled in.

More to the point, I was interested in helping to expand this corpus here, and was wondering:

1. Has anyone bothered yet to gather everything into a single place for reference?

2. What sort of projects are being worked on? I'm eager to contribute, but really don't want to step on other peoples toes.

Thanks again for the time and effort! :extremelyhappy:
 

New Cleo Genesis

Sierra said:
*Claws up from the backlog and inhales*

Hello everyone. I just spent the last four days working my way through this thread from the beginning. I wanted to thank everyone for the wonderful and interesting work on the background what has been one of my favorite book series since I splurged and got it on Kindle six months ago. Being a rather OCD person. I always appreciate details being filled in.

More to the point, I was interested in helping to expand this corpus here, and was wondering:

1. Has anyone bothered yet to gather everything into a single place for reference?

2. What sort of projects are being worked on? I'm eager to contribute, but really don't want to step on other peoples toes.

Thanks again for the time and effort! :extremelyhappy:
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Something like a "TL-191 fandom wiki" would probably be quite a thing worth creating.
 
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