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Glen
Moderator
You do realise this is going to cause a hell of a lot of confusion when the emperor/empress [forget what we have currently] refers to the citizens of our southern dominion.Not to mention the Ghurkas are no longer the shortest elite units in the imperial armies!
Indeed, indeed!
Yes it is and yes it does - care to compare to OTL French Africa?
Sorry, Steve, you lost me there. Market for what? Most of that is Sahara, of course, but the coast has value, as does the Nile.
There is a Suez Canal, and the British are big players in it. Fortunately, the Brits and the Ottomans are on very good terms, so it is working out.
Not to mention Ethiopia has some strange boundaries. Having to go so far across Somalia to get a coastal boundary. Guessing its got good terms with Britain, possibly as protection against the Ottomans, since the borders there suggests that coastline is with agreement with Britain. [Presuming this is of course Ethiopia and not a very strange Somalia.
That is Ethiopia, that went through a growth phase over the past 20 years, with the blessings and encouragement of the British (and the tolerance of the Ottomans - some of the local brands of Islam were just a bit too activist for their more refined tastes). Let's just say the Somali coast is a bit restive under the Ethiopian yoke.
It is indeed. Morocco has done well in the post Global War climate, especially with support from its political and trade partner, the USA. As with most of Africa, that land is in trust more than actual control.
No Cecil Rhodes to drive that dream.
Once they throw a railroad that way, it does give them yet another route to India and back. Also, the Sahel falls mostly to them, and that is undervalued real-estate both IOTL and TTL, if managed properly.
Mostly so, though they have influences. Congo especially is interesting and will be the subject of a future update some day.
Quite right - I will give away that most of those borders were drawn by the great powers as a way of 'tidying up' the Dark Continent as a prelude to developing the continent, though a bit differently from OTL - we'll see if they have any better luck.
It is a coincidence - just not enough color range to work with I guess.
Glen
Moderator
I have just discovered this timeline.
You know, any timeline that links my beloved South with the British Empire is ultra-legit.
I absolutely love you for it.
Welcome, MasterSanders, and glad you are enjoying the timeline. Turns out the South just fits so well in the British Empire!
Glen
Moderator
Great TL, The US would be so much better without those damn Southerners.
(((hides)))
Funny, the Southrons feel the same way about those near-Godless Yankees!
Funny, the Southrons feel the same way about those near-Godless Yankees!
Ja, I'm an Atheist and I'm proud of it! If a Southerner rebel scum takes issue with that we can settle it with a duel at dawn.
OMG, I'm laughing my ass off!!!They are all quite fun. This one especially is just adorable:
It reminds me of the Linux penguin.
Glen
Sorry, trying to be a bit too subtle. The traditional reason for interest in much of that area by people from the Med or Arabia was for slaves. Its the only reason why Egypt ending up occupying the Sudan.
Otherwise don't think there is much in the way of markets or products for any major state in the region at the time. Could however be a prestige 'conquest'.
Good to hear, especially since it would suggest the Ottomans aren't clinging to the slave trade, at least not openly.
True but some pretty hostile territory through there. If they have reasonable security in the canal and also control of the Cape [or both capes in TTL] I think a railway all the way across wouldn't be that attractive an idea economically.
Looking forward to it.
Steve
Sorry, trying to be a bit too subtle. The traditional reason for interest in much of that area by people from the Med or Arabia was for slaves. Its the only reason why Egypt ending up occupying the Sudan.
Otherwise don't think there is much in the way of markets or products for any major state in the region at the time. Could however be a prestige 'conquest'.
Good to hear, especially since it would suggest the Ottomans aren't clinging to the slave trade, at least not openly.
True but some pretty hostile territory through there. If they have reasonable security in the canal and also control of the Cape [or both capes in TTL
] I think a railway all the way across wouldn't be that attractive an idea economically.Looking forward to it.
Steve
Beedok
Very much like 1 and 4 especially. Many thanks. Ingenious little devils aren't they? You wouldn't think you could operate a flagpole with just a beak and flippers.
Steve
Beedok
Very much like 1 and 4 especially. Many thanks. Ingenious little devils aren't they? You wouldn't think you could operate a flagpole with just a beak and flippers.
Steve
Getting the camera to take a picture is also a significant feat, though I think uploading it was probably hardest.
Comments on the map.
Sort of from North to South...
Especially with the British looking towards Antarctica, there are only three Nations to split up the Arctic: the USA, Scandinavia and Russia, which is about the minimum that I can imagine occuring in the absence of a world controlling single power.
Is Hokaido that color due to being part of Qing China (that's the area north of Korea right?) or due to being a Japanese "Colony"?
Additional "color" question, Austria & Greece?
In square mileage under control, I *think* the order goes Russia, USA, Ottoman, UK, but with the poles expanded, the Ottomans could be larger than the USA.
Let's play everyone's favorite ATL game of the late 19th century and early 20th, "Who gets Spanish Pacific posessions?" (or are they strong enough ITTL?)
Yes, the British get Antarctica, but using the OTL Brazilian "frontage" idea (All of Antarctica goes to whatever country is immediately north of that), the *Mexicans* or the Americans would have the second best claim.
Sort of from North to South...
Especially with the British looking towards Antarctica, there are only three Nations to split up the Arctic: the USA, Scandinavia and Russia, which is about the minimum that I can imagine occuring in the absence of a world controlling single power.
Is Hokaido that color due to being part of Qing China (that's the area north of Korea right?) or due to being a Japanese "Colony"?
Additional "color" question, Austria & Greece?
In square mileage under control, I *think* the order goes Russia, USA, Ottoman, UK, but with the poles expanded, the Ottomans could be larger than the USA.
Let's play everyone's favorite ATL game of the late 19th century and early 20th, "Who gets Spanish Pacific posessions?"
(or are they strong enough ITTL?)Yes, the British get Antarctica, but using the OTL Brazilian "frontage" idea (All of Antarctica goes to whatever country is immediately north of that), the *Mexicans* or the Americans would have the second best claim.
JJohnson
Banned
I'm looking at the maps, and I'm wondering why the states in the midwest are so oddly shaped. TTL Mississippi does have Iowa's originally proposed borders, but does this timeline have no Samuel F Vinton arguing for more Jeffersonian borders, i.e., more equally sized states? That's part of the reason we have state stacks of 3° in height (Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota) and 4° (Wyoming, Colorado, Montana).
Would this "Jacques" state even have enough resources to be self-sufficient? And why would there be so many states named for Presidents in this timeline? It was distinctly avoided OTL, with the one exception of Washington, named for the first President. I enjoy the level of detail here, though some of the states' borders seem a bit unique to this timeline.
Would this "Jacques" state even have enough resources to be self-sufficient? And why would there be so many states named for Presidents in this timeline? It was distinctly avoided OTL, with the one exception of Washington, named for the first President. I enjoy the level of detail here, though some of the states' borders seem a bit unique to this timeline.
Glen
Moderator
Getting the camera to take a picture is also a significant feat, though I think uploading it was probably hardest.
Funny Beedok very funny
Glen
Moderator
What Lalli says. Prussia-Poland lost Brandenburg to Germany, not the other way round!
As for the different space program, if that even happens - this is a Glen timeline, of course there will be a space program, somewhere, somewhen. Ah, but the devil is always in the details!