Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72

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Another great update, Im glad this is back :) I love the detail, you even touched on events like the Last Waltz (my favorite movie) and numerous other cultural and political events. I am glad to see Elvis living.
 
Yeah, the way Wallace has been acting recently I can't tell if he's conservative or liberal...
As our friend Ted Agnew said, "Who is the REAL George Wallace?"

And for some reason, I read the Elvis bit rather ominously...
Agreed here.

This TL is getting more and more interesting.
How do you find out all the dates Drew? Is it just looking at a load of sources?
 
Hong Kong and the ROC's close links makes me wonder if Hong Kong will be returned to the ROC in time... I am constantly puzzling over the future of China. Oof, look back at the polls an update ago, having 99% of the country feeling that the nation is going in the wrong direction is super depressing.
 
Whoo!

About the "Federal District of Hudson" -- I know the idea was floated a while back but I think we missed it's enactment. I'm not sure it would work, to be honest.

a) Carving off a piece of New York would require the consent of that state's legislature. While upstate may be persuaded to part with the City (then again, it's not like it isn't a good source of tax revenue, what ever its current woes), it would be difficult to persuade legislators from the city itself to vote to eliminate their jobs, and NYC is big enough that they're probably a majority of the legislature, or close to it. Plus the Governor is from Brooklyn -- I don't know if he gets a veto here or not, but it can't help.

b) Likewise, are the Congressmen from NYC voting to eliminate their jobs? (Given the current situation in the House, that might flip the chamber over to Republicans!) Or will NYC retain its federal representation despite being a federal district? (In which case, you pretty much have to do something for DC, which opens a fresh can of worms.) Granted, the Wallace Administration is probably looking to do something to bring the District back onsides anyway, but that'll be a potentially difficult haul and tying it with the New York issue won't do anybody any favors. Plus, there's still a).

I think, based on historical experience with bankrupt local governments, the likely path for NYC is that the state appoints an "emergency manager" who sidelines the elected government and proceeds to tear up labor contracts and any other inconvenient financial obligations until the city is solvent again. (Which will lead to all sorts of fun labor actions and other political consequences, especially if the blackout's happening on schedule.) Alternately, if the city throws in the towel altogether I suppose it's possible that it dissolves and reverts all functions to the five county/borough governments in the area, though a New Yorker will prolly know more than I about how likely that is.
 
Good update. Perhaps Elvis will become a sort of Billy Graham figure...

...or maybe a founder of an alt-Constitution Party deal. You never know...

BTW, it just occurred to me: the GOP by today are going to be even farther right than they are OTL. Think about it: they already have Spiro Agnew/Hughes Network acting like Glenn Beck/Fox News, which was in OTL a heavy impetus for the Tea Party movement.
In OTL, Ronald Reagan lost the '76 nomination in part because he said Richard Schweiker would be his running mate, an option too liberal for the conservatives such as Jesse Helms.
It's possible that by 1980, even if Reagan does run, he'll be considered a party moderate, like how Romney shifted between 2008 and 2012.
That might have some unfortunate implications.
 
...or maybe a founder of an alt-Constitution Party deal. You never know...

BTW, it just occurred to me: the GOP by today are going to be even farther right than they are OTL. Think about it: they already have Spiro Agnew/Hughes Network acting like Glenn Beck/Fox News, which was in OTL a heavy impetus for the Tea Party movement.
In OTL, Ronald Reagan lost the '76 nomination in part because he said Richard Schweiker would be his running mate, an option too liberal for the conservatives such as Jesse Helms.
It's possible that by 1980, even if Reagan does run, he'll be considered a party moderate, like how Romney shifted between 2008 and 2012.
That might have some unfortunate implications.

So who do they have? Representative Phil Crane of Illinois is an option I suppose, maybe Governor Donald Rumsfeld if he feels he has enough experience under his belt. There is also of course (Former?) Senator Bill Brock of Tennessee who was widely supported by the Conservative movement at the time; I am not sure if he is still a Senator in TTL however. There is also Representative Jack Kemp.

So they have quite a few individuals able to carry the Conservative Banner.​
 
So who do they have? Representative Phil Crane of Illinois is an option I suppose, maybe Governor Donald Rumsfeld if he feels he has enough experience under his belt. There is also of course (Former?) Senator Bill Brock of Tennessee who was widely supported by the Conservative movement at the time; I am not sure if he is still a Senator in TTL however. There is also Representative Jack Kemp.

So they have quite a few individuals able to carry the Conservative Banner.​
My money would be on Jim Buckley, since he won another term ITTL. Or maybe even Jesse Helms himself.:eek:
 

Thande

Donor
To aid comprehension, I've done a list of some of the major leaders on western countries in TTL...I was going to do Italy as well, but I forgot they changed PM practically yearly in the seventies, bit of a nightmare to list.

If anyone notices any mistakes, please point them out.



Presidents of the United States
Jan 20 1969-Jan 20 1973: Richard Nixon (Republican)
Jan 20 1973-July 30 1973: Spiro T. Agnew (Republican) [1]
July 30 1973-July 31 1973: John J. McKeithen (Democratic) [2]
July 31 1973-Nov 7 1973: Spiro T. Agnew (Republican) [3]
Nov 7 1973-Jan 20 1977: James M. Gavin (Independent) [4]
Jan 20 1977-current timeline present: George Wallace (Democratic)


[1] As Acting President.
[2] Retroactively confirmed as President for one day and included in the official count, although never sworn in.
[3] Again as Acting President. Impeached.
[4] Counted as an Independent, although he unsuccessfully attempted to gain the Republican nomination for the 1976 election.




Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom:
19 Jun 1970-27 July 1977: Edward Heath (Conservative)
27 July 1977-current timeline present: Denis Healey (Labour)



Monarchs of the United Kingdom and Commonwealth Realms:
06 Feb 1952-12 Jun 1976: Elizabeth II† (House of Windsor)
12 Jun 1976-current timeline present: George VII (House of Windsor)



Prime Ministers of Australia:
10 Mar 1971-5 Dec 1972: William McMahon (Coalition)
5 Dec 1972-11 Nov 1975: Gough Whitlam (Labor)
11 Nov 1975-Dec 19 1975: Malcolm Fraser (Coalition)
Dec 19 1975-current timeline present: Gough Whitlam (Labor)



Prime Ministers of Canada:
20 Apr 1968-09 Jul 1974: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
09 Jul 1974-12 Jul 1976:Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative)
12 Jul 1976-current timeline present: John Turner (Liberal)



Presidents of France:
20 Jun 1969-2 Apr 1974: Georges Pompidou† (Union des Démocrates pour la République)
2 Apr 1973-27 May 1974: Alain Poher (Centre Démocrate) [1]
27 May 1974-current timeline present: François Mitterrand (Parti Socialiste)


[1] Acting.



Chancellors of West Germany:
22 Oct 1969-7 May 1974: Willy Brandt (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands)
7 May 1974-16 May 1974: Walter Scheel (Freie Demokratische Partei) [1]
16 May 1974-3 October 1976: Helmut Schmidt (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands)
3 October 1976-current timeline present: Helmut Kohl (Christlich Demokratische Union Deutschlands)

[1] Acting.
 

Thande

Donor
Italian addendum

Oh, all right then. Used orange instead of yellow for the Christian Democrats to make it legible.


Prime Ministers of Italy:
06 Aug 1970-17 Feb 1972: Enrico Colombo (Democrazia Cristiana)
17 Feb 1972-07 Jul 1973: Giulio Andreotti (Democrazia Cristiana)
26 Jul 1973-23 Nov 1974: Mariano Rumor (Democrazia Cristiana)
23 Nov 1974-20 Jun 1976: Aldo Moro (Democrazia Cristiana)
20 Jun 1976-current timeline present: Enrico Berlinguer (Partito Comunista Italiano)
 
Oh, all right then. Used orange instead of yellow for the Christian Democrats to make it legible.


Prime Ministers of Italy:
06 Aug 1970-17 Feb 1972: Enrico Colombo (Democrazia Cristiana)
17 Feb 1972-07 Jul 1973: Giulio Andreotti (Democrazia Cristiana)
26 Jul 1973-23 Nov 1974: Mariano Rumor (Democrazia Cristiana)
23 Nov 1974-20 Jun 1976: Aldo Moro (Democrazia Cristiana)
20 Jun 1976-current timeline present: Enrico Berlinguer (Partito Comunista Italiano)

Heh, I was just about to add that. One question: The election that brought Berlinguer to power was on Jun 20, but it took him "several weeks" to put a coalition together -- so do we date his term from Jun 20 or did Moro technically remain PM until August or whenever?
 

Thande

Donor
Heh, I was just about to add that. One question: The election that brought Berlinguer to power was on Jun 20, but it took him "several weeks" to put a coalition together -- so do we date his term from Jun 20 or did Moro technically remain PM until August or whenever?

Good point, I don't know.
 
One thing that kind of stood out was the mention of John Bonham being arrested. I'm not sure if this happened in real life or not. It seems kind of odd to see it sandwiched between tales of political intrigue and unrest. :D

Any chance he'll get to live too?
 
After re-reading this TL, Agnew makes me wonder: his whole career was built on doing things just to get noticed. The whole reason he joined the GOP was because practically everyone who mattered in Maryland was a Democrat.
So, while he was kind of stupid (ok, REALLY stupid) during his time in office, it wasn't in a particularly partisan way, so I guess what I'm wondering about is how much of Angew's hard-right persona on air is an act. No doubt he is conservative, but perhaps he's like what many think of Glenn Beck: intentionally exaggerating his views to get noticed, to get ratings, to get talked about.
 
After re-reading this TL, Agnew makes me wonder: his whole career was built on doing things just to get noticed. The whole reason he joined the GOP was because practically everyone who mattered in Maryland was a Democrat.
So, while he was kind of stupid (ok, REALLY stupid) during his time in office, it wasn't in a particularly partisan way, so I guess what I'm wondering about is how much of Angew's hard-right persona on air is an act. No doubt he is conservative, but perhaps he's like what many think of Glenn Beck: intentionally exaggerating his views to get noticed, to get ratings, to get talked about.

Interesting point and quite accurate about pre-1968 Agnew's political views - in early 1968 he supported Rockefeller over Nixon -- but -- as he flirted with the right as Nixon's political hatchet man, he found a great deal of support. By 1972 he was moving himself to the right with a view to winning the 1976 nomination with the support of the same people who would eventually coalese around Reagan. He may not be the smartest guy in the world, but he did see that political trend coming in the GOP.

ITTL he's now making a lot of money (I assume he's selling books and charging speaking fees in addition to his work on Agnew on Point) making him in some ways more influential than a disgraced Nixon and perhaps even competing with Reagan and Goldwater for the term "leader of the right."

Even if he is acting, there's also a possibility that Agnew, who had a weak personality to being with, could be absorbed by the part he is playing. One could well ask him - who is the real Spiro Agnew?
 
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