An Examination of Extra-Universal Systems of Government

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No they don't. For example, Merriam-Webster uses this definition: "the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction". I don't see how that conforms to your definition of corporatism.

Now that is weird; when I looked it up earlier there were three definitions, as it wont in a dictionary, and one of them was almost mine word-for-word. I didn't realize Merriam-Webster could be edited online. TIL.

Regardless though, though this argument is becoming quite petty and distracting, and I would be more than willing to take this discussion to chat and/or PMs before we completely thread-jack the poor OP.
 
Now that is weird; when I looked it up earlier there were three definitions, as it wont in a dictionary, and one of them was almost mine word-for-word. I didn't realize Merriam-Webster could be edited online. TIL.

Merriam-Webster can't be edited. You must've been thinking of some other word.

Regardless though, though this argument is becoming quite petty and distracting, and I would be more than willing to take this discussion to chat and/or PMs before we completely thread-jack the poor OP.

I'll admit it's entirely semantical because of the vagueness of 'corporation' and 'corporate'. But the only real world example of corporatism (Italian Fascism) seems to argue against your definition.
 
Merriam-Webster can't be edited. You must've been thinking of some other word.

I didn't think so but I'm quite sure it was 'corporatism,' the same Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica articles I found earlier come up in the search alongside the Merriam-Webster definition. Maybe they've changed something... ;)

I'll admit it's entirely semantical because of the vagueness of 'corporation' and 'corporate'. But the only real world example of corporatism (Italian Fascism) seems to argue against your definition.

The only explicit example of corporatism. Even the New Deal had corporatist elements to it.

Also, it just simply seemed, to me at least though I do appear to be fighting a losing fight here, to stand to reason. If one owns a vote in the same way one would own a stock, then one could sell one's vote. Therefore, one could buy up a plurality or even majority of votes, effectively making one's self the de-facto ruler... much like in a corporation. If several people do this then together as a faction they are, in effect, a 'corporation,' and repeat on a larger, national scale, and QED corporatism.
 
United Soviet Republics of China and Manchuria​

Bao Zhiseng looks around the small coffee shop nervously. It has taken all of my persuasive efforts over two months and those of a cooperative official in the New Misr government, to convince him to meet with me and talk about his experiences before fleeing the Chinese Soviet Republic. I chose the location in the hopes that it would help to calm him down, it’s my experience that people from most cultures become more receptive after a token offer of food or some other sustenance- in modern societies a cup of coffee usually works quite well.

Unfortunately however, Zhiseng still seems to be fighting to contain his unease and grips the proffered mug so tightly his knuckles turn white. Originally from Harbin, the Chinese dissident was unfortunately the only inhabitant or former inhabitant of his country who I was able to interview in my examination of the United Soviet Republics. While I would ordinarily refrain from including a country in this book with so few primary sources, an abundance of secondary ones provided by former visitors or diplomats coupled with the extraordinarily unusual form of government employed by the USR prompted me to address it anyway.

“I hope you understand,” Zhiseng tells me “but even after twelve years I still wake up with nightmares about that place. The paranoia…it’s very ingrained.”

I ask him to explain what life was like.

“If you were one of the jiangong then it was fine, you had power, control over those beneath you, access to imported luxuries, wealth, news that wasn’t just propaganda. But if you were nongmin…” His voice trails off. “Imagine living in a place where not only were you completely unimportant and irrelevant but you would never be able to be more than who you were. No matter how hard you worked or struggled, your personal accomplishments could never lift you out of where you were. The only way to be important or to have a legacy was to be jiangong, and the only way to be jiangong was to be born one. There were exceptions, but that was the way it was.”

The former diplomatic clerk’s eyes glaze over as he remembers.

“We were told that to want personal success was selfish because it stole from one’s neighbors. That since the jiangong were dedicated solely to our welfare and the welfare of the state that anything which benefited them- the enlightened “parents” of the people- benefited all of us.” He shakes his head bitterly. “They were the perfect communists, endowed by the Mandate of Heaven and The Never-Setting Red Sun to care for us and we must help them in their sacred task.”

For a very long time Zhiseng stares at the untouched coffee in his cup. “But I could bear the lies, the oppression. I had a good job as an unimportant clerk- the same job both my father and grandfather had held- and I had my daughter.” He pushes the cup away with a sudden violence that splashes the contents on the table and I see tears in his eyes. “She was my life and my soul since her mother died. And then…” The dissident chokes up and has to try several times before he can continue, “A young jiangong, the son of the local Party Secretary, saw her when she was on her way home from school. He had his domestic volunteers hold her down while he…”

It is a long time before Zhiseng is able to speak again.

“There was no punishment for him of course, she was just nongmin and no one cares what a jiangong does to a young nongmin girl of only seventeen.” He looks me straight in the eyes, his expression cadaverous, “That was when I knew I had to leave.”

The United Soviet Republics of China and Manchuria was founded as the Soviet Republic of China (a name that it continued to be known by until just 2003) by a branch of the Chinese Communist rebels headed by Mao Zedong inthe year 1931. Just over ninteen years earlier in 1912 the ruling Manchu dynasty of China had been overthrown to be replaced by a shaky republic whose control over the country was limited to areas in the eastern half of China, leaving much of the country in the hands of independent warlords. The situation worsened when the second President of China, Yuan Shikai, declared that the Mandate of Heaven had passed on to him and proclaimed the re-establishment of the Chinese Monarchy under the Hongxian Dynasty. This split China even further between the Monarchists supporting Emperor Shikai the Nationalists under Sun Yatsen who were fighting to bring back the Chinese Republic, the independent warlords, and increasingly the Chinese Communists.

Supported covertly by the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics (Russia), the Chinese Soviet Republic was established in the mountainous Jiangxi province of south-central China where Imperial authority was especially weak. Thanks to the increased stability of the communist areas the local economy boomed, fueling Mao’s powerful Red Army which carried out successful campaigns against the neighboring warlords, greatly expanding the CSR’s reach- and Mao’s influence. In 1932 Party leaders returning from the USSR attempted to assume leadership positions but were successfully resisted and by 1936 he controlled a large portion of southern China stretching from no less than ten miles inland from the South China Sea all the way to Lanzhou with half-a-dozen subordinate Communist regions scattered throughout the country. The remaining warlords held a number of loosely allied fiefdoms in the west while the Nationalists ruled most of the remaining territory south of the Shandong Peninsula. With his capital in Beijing, Emperor Shikai theoretically controlled all of Manchuria, but was little more than a powerless puppet of the Empire of Japan.

Beginning in the summer of 1936 several divisions of the Japanese army began advancing south after an invitation from the Emperor to “restore order”. The move was condemned by the League of Nations (the preeminent international forum and diplomatic body), but the Empire of Japan simply withdrew from the League and ignored it. Caught directly in the path of the IJA the Nationalists crumpled, splintering after the capture and execution of Sun Yatsen into dozens of small guerrilla armies that left the Red Army as the last significant force capable of resisting the Japanese. To do so Mao would have to mobilize every resource at his disposal.

It was then that he conceived of the jiangong. Literally meaning “Hard Worker” it was granted as reward to those who put out extra effort beyond what was required of them for the war effort, either by their actions in combat or behind the lines supporting the fighting. Jiangong received special privileges and rewards unavailable to most citizens of the Chinese Soviet Republic. Almost immediately the program began to be abused by party members and influential politicians, but Mao’s confidence in it meant that it was never actually ended.

The war, referred to as the Second Sino-Japanese War by the rest of world or the Great War of Liberation within China, lasted until 1941 when Russian and Chinese troops captured Tokyo and the Empire of Japan agreed to unconditional surrender (what was left of it). In the course of the fighting and the immediate aftermath, the Chinese Soviet Republic was able to unite all of Manchuria and Xinjiang as well as the other autonomous Communist regions.

It was not to last.

In 1942 (according to the Chinese government exactly one year after the peace with Japan was signed) Mao Zedong died of a pulmonary embolism (there is some suspicion he was smothered) and without any clear successor China was plunged into chaos. What began as a simple competition between two different candidates for the position of State Chairman spiraled out of control into a confusing morass with as many as eleven different claimants seeking to gain control of China. The Second Chinese Civil War would continue until 1950 when a Russian brokered ceasefire left China divided into six different states all claiming to be the legitimate continuation of Mao’s vision. The largest and most powerful of them was the Russian backed Chinese Soviet Republic based in Beijing that was controlled by Mao Anying, the son of the original Mao.

It was Mao Anying who shaped the jiangong system into what it is today. The powerful Communist Party Leadership was already almost entirely jiangong, but it was Mao Anying who made it a requirement that all officials over a certain level had to be jiangong while setting out the rigid hierarchy of the nongmin or “peasants” who comprised most of the Chinese population. Drawing on Confucian teachings melded with Socialist ideology, Anying promulgated an ideology that viewed duty to the family as an extension of Communism, and service to one's family as service to the state. While positions such as seats in the Politburo or the Central Military Commission were never officially made hereditary, they became de facto so under his policies- a practice which was only strengthened over time.

In 1976 Mao Anying passed power on to his son Mao Xinyu who further strengthened the hereditary nature of Maoism by granting increased powers and privileges to the jiangong while making the status officially passed on by blood. In 1980 Mao Xinyu led the invasion of the Taiwanese Soviet when it began to drift towards democracy, annexing both it and the Chinese legacy state in Hunan. He also helped to spearhead an effort to unite all of Communist Asia under the banner of the Peoples' Union of East Asia. While Xinyu's efforts (supported by Moscow) resulted in the recognition of the superiority of the Chinese State Chairman as Secretary of the PUEA by a number of countries, it never became more than a position of nominal authority over the other Maoist states. Mao Xinyu was succeeded by his son Mao Quimei in 1995 who faced down a brief attempt by elements in the jiangong to impose a new dynasty. A marriage between Mao Zemin (the oldest son of Mao Quimei) and Hi Yuan (the daughter and only child of the State Chairman of the Manchurian Soviet) secured a personal union between China and Manchuria in 2003 when Mao Quimei resigned in favour of Mao Zemin who became State Chairman of both China and Manchuria simultaneously.

The form of Maoist Communism employed by the United Soviet Republics of China and Manchuria bears a strong resemblance to medieval feudalism with its clearly defined class structure with the powerful jiangong minority occupying unofficially hereditary positions of power and having almost total control over the nongmin under them. A jiangong can legally kill or rape a nongmin provided they can supply a justification- which is laughably easy to come by. Nongmin are told that jiangong are perfectly dedicated to their welfare and that to help ease their burden is the sacred duty of the nongmin (just like ruling over the nongmin is the sacred duty of the jiangong).

Religious rhetoric is also used to justify the state of affairs. Mao Zedong was deified by his personality cult after his death as the “Never Setting Red Sun” who staunchly defends China against the three demons of Imperialism, Feudalism, and Capitalism. It is believed that his picture can expel spirits and bad luck and that it is his will that the jiangong hold their exalted position.

In order to prevent democratic sentiments from creeping in from the outside, China is one of the most controlled states in the world, with internet and cell phones being illegal for nongmin and travel to and from the country under strict control. Possession of “Imperialist propaganda” is a capital crime and dissent is strictly kept under control by a large secret police almost exclusively drawn from the ranks of the lesser jiangong. Dissidents who escape the country are hunted down by assassins- the cause of Zhiseng’s terror. China has almost no contact with the rest of the world since the fall of the Soviet Union other than fellow Maoist governments in Hanian, Xinjiang, Tibet, Korea, Mongolia, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Stalinist government in Cuba, and until recently Japan.

The brutal nature of the Chinese state is unfortunately not unique, or even uncommon in the wide range of possibilities that make up the multiverse. The next country in this chapter has its own version of oppression, a different but no less authoritarian system.

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The lighter shade of the Chinese colour denotes other countries which follow ITTL's Maoism and the red border shows the edges of the Peoples' Union of East Asia. (Note that Manchuria never joined the PUEA, nor did Korea, Cambodia, or Laos).

It bears mentioning that the Soviet Republic of China did exist OTL (the Long March was the communist relocation from there to other parts of China) and that the Cult of Mao is also a real thing which required only slight alterations to fit this TL.
 
Very nice! Reminds me of Oceania, the Conseil Systems and Best Korea. I like the implementation of a cult of personality.
 

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Wow china is really screwed in such a world.:eek: I'd wonder how much longer such a large country could keep a repressive system of goverment like that up.
 
You... out-1984'd North Korea... :eek:

Anyway, your posts are so awesome that i'm making a map out of them...
 
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Sigh... This is so far from true communism that it is not communist at all...

Technically OTL communism wasn't "true communism" either, given how it resulted in for the most part is governments just as opressive as those they replaced.

But yes, that was the idea.:)

Very nice! Reminds me of Oceania, the Conseil Systems and Best Korea. I like the implementation of a cult of personality.

Thank you.:)

I really didn't think too much about Oceania when making this, but the other two both served as partial inspirations. I first got the idea from looking at the "Communist Monarchy" that is North Korea and thinking how far I could take the idea and run with it. I liked what you did with the Conseil "nobility", but I wanted to flesh out the hierarchy a little bit more and I based the social system on pre-revolutionary France as much as possible.

Mao's cult of personality is OTL, peasants in modern China believe that his picture can banish evil spirits and make pilgramidges to his birthplace in the thousands. It took only a few changes to make it even more dystopic than it already was :eek:.

Wow china is really screwed in such a world.:eek: I'd wonder how much longer such a large country could keep a repressive system of goverment like that up.

As long as the lower classes can be kept ignorant and downtrodden, it could be quite a while. All of China's neighbors except for Russia and Burma follow the same system, so democratic ideals aren't exactly going to diffuse into the country that way and education is tightly controlled. If it does collapse, it would have to be due to inept leadership- always a possiblity with hereditary systems.

Very depressing. And the next one looks to be depressing as well.

It sounds very much like a more hierarchical North Korea.

Well after the happy socialism of the USA, I had to do something darker.:D

You... out-1984'd North Korea... :eek:

Anyway, your posts are so awesome that i'm making a map out of them...

I'll take that as quite the compliment. Now to see if I can make realistic utopias that are believable (dystopias are much easier).:D

Thanks again, I look forward to seeing the map! I've been considering posting some of the mini-maps I do with the updates in the Map Thread, but I was going to wait until I finished the first chapter. It'll be interesting to see your take.

@Everyone; So I'm starting my research for the next country and I can do it in one of two places- China again, or Canada. China would be easier and make more sense, but Canada is doable if I stretch believability a little bit. What do you guys think?
 
@Everyone; So I'm starting my research for the next country and I can do it in one of two places- China again, or Canada. China would be easier and make more sense, but Canada is doable if I stretch believability a little bit. What do you guys think?

Hm, are there any other options? I don't particularly want to see China again (although a contrast between the United Soviet Republics of China and Manchuria, this new Chinese state and the OTL PRC would be interesting) and Canada seems a bit too close to the US. If it came down to those two, I'd have to choose Canada.
 
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