Glen
Moderator
That is certainly possible.
Also agreed, and here they are slightly less vulnerable at sea but more vulnerable on land to British attack.
That is certainly possible.
Also agreed, and here they are slightly less vulnerable at sea but more vulnerable on land to British attack.
Glen
Moderator
As of this point, slavery is permitted but not as widespread as in BSA. There is a fair number of abolition minded settlers, but they're not the majority.
Probably not well ITTL either, though being part of Mexico isn't necessarily that attractive at the moment. They are caught between Silla and Carybdis....
Glen
Moderator
All reasonable assumptions.
Not yet, though it is starting to look more and more like that....
You betcha, unless someone made them an offer they couldn't refuse....
Eurofed
Banned
On the other hand, timely help from Texas, in money, weapons, and volunteers to sustain their independence against Mexico could tilt the balance of Rio Grande opinion towards seeing Texas as the lesser evil. Perhaps some well-funded expedition of hot-blooded BSA/Texan Philibusters shows up at the right moment and strikes a good blow for the freedom of Rio Grande.
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Since it seems to have been lost among the other discussions here, I wanted to point out that your development of Condorcet Method Voting in the Electoral College and Senate is very interesting and bodes well for the development of preferential voting throughout the USA to its benefit.
Glen
Moderator
THANK YOU FOR NOTICING!!!!
Yes, I plan to have something more interesting than first past the post. It does have some impact on voting results, but not as noticeable in the wave of other changes. Still, its a better fate for both the man and the system he gave his name to and both are deserved IMO.
Cylon gets a cookie....
I want a cookie.....and great stuff with Mexico. Keep up the good TL!
Glen
Moderator
Ah ha! Hidden congratulations in the message...clever. Good start, but you must strive to reach cookiedom by praising specifics in my little hidden gems in the timeline, but it is an auspicious start!
Thanks for your patronage, and keep working for that cookie!
Glen
Moderator
The early 1830s saw Gold fever break out across British Southern America. The discovery of gold in the mountains claimed by the Cherokee and the Province of Georgia threatened to break the fragile peace that had been established between the British Southerners of the coastal plains and the 'Civilized' Native Americans inland in the highlands of Southern America.
Only a decade earlier, such a clash would have likely escalated into yet another Indian war, and blood was shed nonetheless. However, the Cherokee took the remarkable step of foregoing organized violence and instead took the main instigator, the Province of Georgia, to court. The legal arguments of the Cherokee representatives and their allies were remarkably eloquent, and in 1833 the Crown ruled in favour of the Cherokee.
While many of the British Native Americans celebrated, the mood turned decidedly dark in many circles of British Southern American society.
Only a decade earlier, such a clash would have likely escalated into yet another Indian war, and blood was shed nonetheless. However, the Cherokee took the remarkable step of foregoing organized violence and instead took the main instigator, the Province of Georgia, to court. The legal arguments of the Cherokee representatives and their allies were remarkably eloquent, and in 1833 the Crown ruled in favour of the Cherokee.
While many of the British Native Americans celebrated, the mood turned decidedly dark in many circles of British Southern American society.
Glen
This is a problem that the BSA could do without. Especially since, if London supports the judges that could cause a split between it and the ordinary whites, possibly giving a reason for them to make common cause with the slavocracy for greater self-rule.
Also how will the courts deal with the inevitable encroachments that will occur.
Steve
This is a problem that the BSA could do without.
Especially since, if London supports the judges that could cause a split between it and the ordinary whites, possibly giving a reason for them to make common cause with the slavocracy for greater self-rule.Also how will the courts deal with the inevitable encroachments that will occur.
Steve
The early 1830s saw Gold fever break out across British Southern America. The discovery of gold in the mountains claimed by the Cherokee and the Province of Georgia threatened to break the fragile peace that had been established between the British Southerners of the coastal plains and the 'Civilized' Native Americans inland in the highlands of Southern America.
Only a decade earlier, such a clash would have likely escalated into yet another Indian war, and blood was shed nonetheless. However, the Cherokee took the remarkable step of foregoing organized violence and instead took the main instigator, the Province of Georgia, to court. The legal arguments of the Cherokee representatives and their allies were remarkably eloquent, and in 1833 the Crown ruled in favour of the Cherokee.
While many of the British Native Americans celebrated, the mood turned decidedly dark in many circles of British Southern American society.
Glen
Moderator
No kidding!
London did; that's the bit about the Crown.
Yes, that would seem like a logical possibility.
Also how will the courts deal with the inevitable encroachments that will occur.
Steve
The courts won't have to deal with it, the British governors will....
interesting update as always
does this mean that the South will fight a war of independence soon with the growing desent or will they just demand more freedom of government and slowly evolve into an OTL Canada like thing?
does this mean that the South will fight a war of independence soon with the growing desent or will they just demand more freedom of government and slowly evolve into an OTL Canada like thing?
Eurofed
Banned
interesting update as always
does this mean that the South will fight a war of independence soon with the growing desent or will they just demand more freedom of government and slowly evolve into an OTL Canada like thing?
There is always the third option: they fight their second ARW/ACW equivalent to build their slaveocracy haven, Britain beats them down, some time later, after pacification is accomplished and slavery is forcibly abolished, it realizes that keeping the BSA into colonial status forever is too diffcult, so it concedes Dominion status.
Glen,
While I understand the logic of the California border as it will probably develop, keep in mind the topography of the region too. The prime agricultural land in the part remaining in Texas (which presumably will be British someday), is the upper regions of the San Joaquin valley. Although the land is extremely fertile and well-suited for plantation culture (known for grapes, but excellent cotton country as well), it has mountains to the east, west and south, and immediately past those mountains is largely land too arid to see significant settlement. The *only* way settlers are really going to get in is through American territory, which means it will largely be settled by Americans.
While I understand the logic of the California border as it will probably develop, keep in mind the topography of the region too. The prime agricultural land in the part remaining in Texas (which presumably will be British someday), is the upper regions of the San Joaquin valley. Although the land is extremely fertile and well-suited for plantation culture (known for grapes, but excellent cotton country as well), it has mountains to the east, west and south, and immediately past those mountains is largely land too arid to see significant settlement. The *only* way settlers are really going to get in is through American territory, which means it will largely be settled by Americans.
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Glen
Moderator
interesting update as always
Thanks!
That is one possibility....
That is another possibility....
Stay tuned to find out!
Glen
Moderator
Your point is very well taken. The 36-30 line proves problematic if Texans intend to settle the area. Recall however that so far the claim to California in terms of Texas is nothing more than rhetoric. Recall also that the real knowledge of the geography of that region in Texas is somewhat sketchy. So Brown sold off the northern parts for cash to a country that actually could take advantage of that part. It remains to be seen if anything more will ever come of the Texan claim.
Not only, just most likely. There is a way through in the south....
Glen
Moderator
Texan President Brown's attempts to gain protectorate status for Texas floundered on British reticence and a resurgence amongst the independence faction in the Texas Legislature, fueled by questions over Brown's commitment to Texan expansion.
Thus in the Texas Presidential Election of 1834 President Andrew Jackson was reelected to office.
President Jackson lost no time even waiting for the official changeover in 1835. On his own he authorized a secret mission by the armed merchantman Columbia, with a hardy crew of Texan riflemen, to set sail. The ship nearly floundered in a tropical storm and had to seek harbor in Guyana, where they were detained for several weeks by British officials concerned about their intentions. However, repairs were made and the ship repaired, and the plucky clipper Columbia continued down the coast of South America, past the British Falkland Islands, then back up the west coast to North America until eventually reaching the Presidio of Santa Barbara which they forced to surrender in the name of Texas. Word reached Texas in 1835, after Jackson assumed office.
Thus in the Texas Presidential Election of 1834 President Andrew Jackson was reelected to office.
President Jackson lost no time even waiting for the official changeover in 1835. On his own he authorized a secret mission by the armed merchantman Columbia, with a hardy crew of Texan riflemen, to set sail. The ship nearly floundered in a tropical storm and had to seek harbor in Guyana, where they were detained for several weeks by British officials concerned about their intentions. However, repairs were made and the ship repaired, and the plucky clipper Columbia continued down the coast of South America, past the British Falkland Islands, then back up the west coast to North America until eventually reaching the Presidio of Santa Barbara which they forced to surrender in the name of Texas. Word reached Texas in 1835, after Jackson assumed office.
Another good update but I have to wonder how with all the westward expansion from the US and the Texans push, how overextended are they. Its one thing to claim territory but are they able to exercise any kind of control in the region or is it more like securing frontiers for future expansion. I am fairly sure there isn't any large movement of people westward until the California gold rush. I mean people are heading west but for now most of the midwest is fairly hollow and people are settling there for the most part.
Is the DSA consolidated into one administration or are there several regional governors, and the British divide and conquer to maintain control? Also if the DSA one administration is it just the territory on the mainland or does it include the Caribbean possessions as well?
Is the DSA consolidated into one administration or are there several regional governors, and the British divide and conquer to maintain control? Also if the DSA one administration is it just the territory on the mainland or does it include the Caribbean possessions as well?