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I recently wanted to make a map of an idea I got, but in the end I decided against it, because it would be terrible for Krall's health.
So I am going to make my idea a request or a challenge as seeing different people making different maps on the same idea is always interesting.

So this is my request:
The POD is in 1830, during the Belgian revolt. This ends differently than OTL as Belgium is divided between the Netherlands, France and Prussia. The Netherlands gains the northern Dutch speaking part (Limburg, East and West Flanders and Antwerp), France gains the Southern French speaking part (Liege, Hainaut, Namur and Brabant (thus including Brussels), while Prussia gain Luxembourg (including Belgian Luxembourg).

What happens next is France and Prussia (and later Germany) fight a couple of wars, not unlike OTL. Both are pretty evenly matched, so sometimes France wins, sometimes Prussia. The end result is that in the second half of the twentieth century a cold war exist in Europe between a German lead block and a French lead block.

So I would like to see a (european) map of that cold war. The French block consists out of southern Europa and North Africa and should at least include Portugal, Spain, Italy and Marocco. The German block consists out of central and Eastern Europe and should at least include Denmark, Poland and Hungary. On the fringes of Europe are three other great powers Brittain, Russia and the Ottoman Empire. They are not part of the two powerblocks and during conflicts remain neutral or choose a side that suits their needs best. The Netherlands and Switserland are two neutral bordercountries enforced by both blocks and the other great powers.

You may include various shifted borders since (you may give France western Luxembourg if you wish or Germany Lorraine) or create countries that don't exist OTL (for example an independent sicily in the French block). But remember both blocks must be roughly of equal strength, so no German or French wank. Both blocks can have opposing ideologies (like communist France vs Fascist Germany), but you don't have to (like an nationalistic French empire vs a nationalistic German Empire).

Is anybody interested?

Well, here's my best shot at it.

Ideologies:
Britian: Democratic, Liberalism, Pro-Commonwealth
French bloc: Democratic, Socialism, Pan-Europeanism
German bloc: Democratic, Conservative, Nationalism
Russia: Quasi-democracy, Communism, Internationalism
Ottomans: Democracy, Liberalism/Socialism/Reform, Pan-Turkism

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Ok round three with this beast.
Requesting yet another plausibility/quality check.
I did my best to get rid of the Pixelations on the borders, and make things more plausible and less OTL at the same time.

The first POD is Charlemagne manages to fully conquer Spain and Italy...

A POD in the 9th century with...

Prussia still coming about...

Britain somehow surviving that French monstrosity...

Prussia, a historical fluke, still uniting Germany...

NAPOLEON SHOWING UP...

The USA still showing up...

THE USSR still showing up...

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....

Did you kill the butterflies with a virus or something?
 
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I've finally had some free time, and that means a new map!

POD... something like maritime contact between the Indian/SEAsian thesalocracies (Sp.) and Australia.
Islam and urban civilisation spread to Australia around cores of merchant colonies.
So, by the time the Europeans arrive in the Indian Ocean, there are several Muslim urban states in Australia.
The Portuguese and later Dutch first come in contact with the Bibbulmun confederacy, a group of polity unified Noongar tribes and Muslim merchant urban elite.
Through them the continent of Australia gets the name Ophir, due to the gold wealth from the Kara-Kula mines in the middle of the Great Desert.

This is the situation in the south-west in the 17th Century.
The Dutch have forced the Portuguese out of Ophir as they have with much of the Indian Ocean, and have set up several trade ports with the Bibbulmun and the Kinjarling Sultanate.
The map depicts the main trade routes and important towns in the south-west. If there is enough interest more will come.

South_West_Ophir__17th_Century_by_Raven_the_5th.png
 

Krall

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I've finally had some free time, and that means a new map!

POD... something like maritime contact between the Indian/SEAsian thesalocracies (Sp.) and Australia.
Islam and urban civilisation spread to Australia around cores of merchant colonies.
So, by the time the Europeans arrive in the Indian Ocean, there are several Muslim urban states in Australia.
The Portuguese and later Dutch first come in contact with the Bibbulmun confederacy, a group of polity unified Noongar tribes and Muslim merchant urban elite.
Through them the continent of Australia gets the name Ophir, due to the gold wealth from the Kara-Kula mines in the middle of the Great Desert.

This is the situation in the south-west in the 17th Century.
The Dutch have forced the Portuguese out of Ophir as they have with much of the Indian Ocean, and have set up several trade ports with the Bibbulmun and the Kinjarling Sultanate.
The map depicts the main trade routes and important towns in the south-west. If there is enough interest more will come.

Very nice map, Scarecrow. It's somewhat big, though, you could have made it a bit smaller by excluding large, uninhabited areas of the map.
 
There are a million billion things on this map which are completely ASB, but I'm going to focus on Germany and why it has its post WW2 eastern border despite neither World Wars taking place.
But it doesn't have post WWII borders. Look at Stettin!
 
A POD in the 9th century with...
Prussia still coming about...
Britain somehow surviving that French monstrosity...
Prussia, a historical fluke, still uniting Germany...
NAPOLEON SHOWING UP...
The USA still showing up...
THE USSR still showing up...
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....
Did you kill the butterflies with a virus or something?

Well last time it was Saxony that united Germany, Fascist Australia and some other things but Krall said it was too ASB. But you do have a point about Napoleon, i might have to work on that.
 

Susano

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Saxon-united Germany is awesome. Put it back!

oder-neiße border with a 13th century PoD IS anachronistic as hell, though. The problem with Thinkers maps are that theyre mere colouring-in fests, instead of him thinking about and redrawing borders...
 
oder-neiße border with a 13th century PoD IS anachronistic as hell, though. The problem with Thinkers maps are that theyre mere colouring-in fests, instead of him thinking about and redrawing borders...
While I agree that the Oder-Neiße border is nearly always left because of laziness, I don't think it's impossible to have in an ATL.

The story behind the map is thought out (with butterfly nets, though, which need to be fixed), just not the map itself.
 
Wow ok i guess i really do suck at this dont i?
Ok Susano how do you suggest that i improve this map?
:eek:

You don't suck, its only that have made a HUGE change in the early history of Europe, and I mean HUGE, and yet all these anachrosims pop up.

Your maps are actualy not that bad, but the scenario behind does need to be thrown out the window.

It should be said that all the things you've drawn could make sense in context:

Saxony uniting Germany can work (there is even a timeline about it)

Fascist Australia can work (I am actualy pretty sure there is a timeline about that as well)

United States of North America can work (it happens all the time by ameriwankers).

You just need to find the right scenario.

Might I suggest if you want to get a Franco-Spanish Union that you try for some kind of French victory in the War of Spanish Succession.
 

Hapsburg

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oder-neiße border with a 13th century PoD IS anachronistic as hell, though. The problem with Thinkers maps are that theyre mere colouring-in fests, instead of him thinking about and redrawing borders...
Well, the Oder and Niesse are rivers, so it's not completely impossible that a border be built roughly similar to OTL's. ;)


PS) And what about my map, folks? ;-;
 
Hapsburg you are a map god so everything you do is teh AWEZUMERZ!!!!!!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Dreadnought Jenkins: Thanks for the tips. But maybe if i tell you what im going for rather than what ive already failed at itll help more.
Im looking for 5 things in TTL of mine.
1. A Celestial ______ of China (preferably Communist but it doesnt really matter what i just ****ing LOVE the way that sounds:D) vs. a Fascist Australia and these are the major world powers with Nukes and they HATE each other.
2. A USA that includes all of NA (yes i am American if you havent guessed by now) vs. a USSR of some sort. (because they are enemies and rivals and i LOVE contests like this:p) These powers are less powerful than Australia and China, and are allied to their according factions (USA-Australia/USSR-China)
3. A European Union (Smaller than OTL of course) that is Dominated by a single power of some sort. It is strictly neutral in The China-Australia question. (In my previous attempts i picked France, but it can be any power really, even a Jacobite Poland:p:D:p)
4. A set of African borders that makes actually sense, and a more peaceful Africa. (Cliche i know)
5. A surviving Byzantine Empire, cuz that just awsome to me.
 
After nearly six years of brutal war, the Anglo-Japanese War ends in a staggering British defeat in the spring of '47. .

Nice maps and TL, but two quibbles: first, I find it rather unlikely that Roosevelt's US would tolerate a Nazi presence in Guyana. And since the US navy PWNs the Nazi one, what the US says goes. Perhaps Dutch Guyana is snaffled by Brazil and French Guyana goes to the Free French.

Secondly, the UK has a much bigger industrial base than Japan's, which had an economy about the size of Italy - the British are going to suffer from a nasty learning curve until they figure out aircraft carrier warfare, but in a war of attrition the Japanese are unlikely to hold up that well. Remember, OTL the US utterly creamed the Japanese with a fraction of the forces they put into Europe. Of course, the UK has to keep a sizeable part of it's navy and airforce in home waters in case the Germans try a fast one - I can see a UK worried about the Germans starting to, say, build their navy might end up making a peace with some losses. "Staggering defeat?" Not so much.

Bruce
 
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In response to a challenge by Alternatehistorybuff5341, a somewhat ASB three-way cold war. (Early-breakaway Confederacy plus Nazis? Woe for the Butterflies! Well, maybe Hitler is blond and has an eyepatch, or something.)

The contenders are the Imperial Powers, democracies which however believe that there are people who are just not fit to govern themselves [1]: the Nazis, who in their search for allies have dropped some of the racist rhetoric and become champions of the notions that whites should rule whites, brown should rule brown, etc: [2] and the Soviets, who believe in the global union of peoples, but also that democracy must be regrettably be put aside for now due to the necessities of The Struggle.

The sponsoring of terrorism and political unrest in enemy territories is the norm: the US has no official policy alongside these lines, but the British government blames the US (possibly just by existing) for the outbreak of anti-Imperial "no more blood for Empire" protest in western Canada. (There is also a fair amount of privately-sponsored support for black terrorist groups in the northern Confederacy: there is no longer official slavery, but Black Confederates are more tightly controlled than those in Apartheid Africa).

India, which the UK handed over to a bunch of princes and Hindi conservatives, is a country in which most either lack the vote or have votes which count little: it's multiracial makeup makes it somewhat alien to the Reich, but recently there have been signs that the ruling class (which have been in power long enough that they've forgotten that a bunch of socialists and Ghandians and other freaks would have been running the place if it hadn't been for UK support) have been tilting away from their allegiance to the Imperial powers.

The Soviets have managed to reform their agriculture, but their country remains otherwise grimly Stalinist, and increasingly dependent on China for production gains. The nuclear arsenal has reached ridiculous proportions, and there has been some wild talk of late of an alliance with the US, which at least shares their anti-racist attitudes.

The usual US attitude has been " a pox on all your houses, but we're still happy to sell you stuff" - they've always especially disliked the Soviets, but of late the country has become rather liberal (almost as much as the OTL US) on the subject of race, and a strong political movement has arisen which seeks to oppose colonialism, whether of the non-assimilatory British variety or the forced assimilation of the Nazis (the Polish language is slated to be extinct by 2020). A powerful faction within the Social-Democratic party has issued a manifesto condemming the practices of the Imperial Powers and the Nazis (not that much said about the Soviets: they're opressed, but all equally so), and several other neutral states have signed onto it's principals. Whether this is just political hot air, the signal for the emergence of a fourth block, or the precursor of the mythical US-Soviet alliance, nobody currently knows...

Bruce

[1] Although books like the "Bell-Curve" are still popular, ideas on "unfit cultures" and "destructive memes" are replacing good-old fashioned biological racism as a reason why some peoples just Can't Govern Themselves.

[2] Also, that all people of Indo-European descent [3]should eventually be merged into one unified, German-speaking people (which is a bit underplayed when talking to Iranians.)

[3] Admittedly, not all Indo-Europeans are equally equal, but that will be solved eventually : todays' Nazis are very big on genetic engineering and transhumanism.
 
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