I just found out about itI'm not really aware of his dark side.
I just found out about itI'm not really aware of his dark side.
What I only knew is the controversy of the Oompa Loompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. For those who are unaware will never know they were based on the pygmy people in the heart of Africa. Consider this novel was written in 1964 and racism and discrimination was still very much active.I just found out about it
The point here is surely Europe remains under communist governments, that of course will anger the anti-semits. The sad thing is the anti-semitism will be mainstream TTL only because White.I’m sure that the guy that is comparing Jews to literal monsters is not exaggerating the severity of the situation in Europe /s
Me too. And yet the media coverage was so infamous that the impression it conveyed was another case of "Americans projecting their shit onto other countries and making up imaginary grievances and offenses where none exist."What I only knew is the controversy of the Oompa Loompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. For those who are unaware will never know they were based on the pygmy people in the heart of Africa. Consider this novel was written in 1964 and racism and discrimination was still very much active.
It's kinda sad knowing I had a book report on this kid's novel when I was 4th Grade around 2006-2007. I also quite enjoyed the 2005 Tim Burton film.
I can't blame Dahl though. Society in 1964 was a different place.Me too. And yet the media coverage was so infamous that the impression it conveyed was another case of "Americans projecting their shit onto other countries and making up imaginary grievances and offenses where none exist."
Yes. With 10 years, living in a place like Wonka Factory and be payed in chocolate could sounds cool. With more years, well, is like "what the fucking hell I'm reading".I can't blame Dahl though. Society in 1964 was a different place.
As a 10-year old in 2006-2007, we enjoyed the book and film because of the effects, the story, and the morals of it (Charlie the good boy receiving his rightful reward). It's just sad as kid we did not know that there was subtle hints of racism, slavery, discrimination, and exploitation of workers.
The Wonka Factory was literally every kid's dream. A land of sweets that looked like a theme park.Yes. With 10 years, living in a place like Wonka Factory and be payed in chocolate could sounds cool. With more years, well, is like "what the fucking hell I'm reading".
Also add ignorance because cocoa is from America not África...
I honestly just thought they were a tribe of people with dwarfism that Wonka recruited because they would have otherwise suffered the same fate of other victims of colonialism and people with the same physical condition as themYes. With 10 years, living in a place like Wonka Factory and be payed in chocolate could sounds cool. With more years, well, is like "what the fucking hell I'm reading".
Also add ignorance because cocoa is from America not África...
Think the Reds would allow that?France and Italy are still democracies though. They might have already voted out their communist-led governments by 1953.
I honestly just thought they were a tribe of people with dwarfism that Wonka recruited because they would have otherwise suffered the same fate of other victims of colonialism and people with the same physical condition as them
Like in neither adaptation they look from Africa and in the second one Wonka went out of his way to be integrate himself, so I assumed they acted both as workers and co-managers of his factory since Wonka didnt have anybody else to share it with and he himself worked there as well since he was the one conducting and testing his scientific experimentation after all
So while he was the owner of the factory and I assumed he was made chief of the tribe, which presumely would be a position passed to Charlie as well once he also owned the factory, I thought that they were more or less working on equal grounds
Like not safely, as nothing with Wonka was despicted as risk-free, but facing the same level of danger and sharing the fruits of their gains, which to me only made sense considering they(Wonka & the Wompa Loompas) always treated each other rather friendly(instead of a slave-owner to slave relationship) and seemingly had fun together with Wonka's hijinks & plans to severely traumatize children
Just enjoy the story.I honestly just thought they were a tribe of people with dwarfism that Wonka recruited because they would have otherwise suffered the same fate of other victims of colonialism and people with the same physical condition as them
Like in neither adaptation they look from Africa and in the second one Wonka went out of his way to be integrate himself, so I assumed they acted both as workers and co-managers of his factory since Wonka didnt have anybody else to share it with and he himself worked there as well since he was the one conducting and testing his scientific experimentation after all
So while he was the owner of the factory and I assumed he was made chief of the tribe, which presumely would be a position passed to Charlie as well once he also owned the factory, I thought that they were more or less working on equal grounds
Like not safely, as nothing with Wonka was despicted as risk-free, but facing the same level of danger and sharing the fruits of their gains, which to me only made sense considering they(Wonka & the Wompa Loompas) always treated each other rather friendly(instead of a slave-owner to slave relationship) and seemingly had fun together with Wonka's hijinks & plans to severely traumatize children
I think “the Reds” are more complicated than Saturday morning cartoon villains. France and Italy aren’t Czechoslovakia or Bulgaria. There aren’t thousands of USSR troops stationed in them. If anything, the likeliest dictatorship to be established in those two countries is a CIA-backed fascist one after a military coup.Think the Reds would allow that?
I can. Dahl has proven that his racism went a lot further than the average Britons in the 1960s.I can't blame Dahl though. Society in 1964 was a different place.
Forgive me for previously disagreeing. I am not British and Dahl's books are a common book report assignment for grade schoolers as well as being commonly sold in Scholastic book fairs back in the 2000s.I can. Dahl has proven that his racism went a lot further than the average Britons in the 1960s.
Some people are acting like retrospectively noticing racism in older works is a thing of the past few years, but people had already been noticing the obvious racist elements in his works in the early 70s.
...and has a Jewish wife, which would inflame anti-semitic imagination even more than Kaganovich at the helm.there is also Molotov, who is also a Stalinist (although more moderate) and a Russian-exceptionalist
Not sure if the double quote was intentional or not, but you don't get to tell other members to "just enjoy the story" if they make an entirely reasonable post that is entirely on topic.Just en
Just enjoy the story.
Specially when you consider that one anti-semitic common talking point is "The Jew infiltrates our societies through their women" (no, they don't care about this flagrantly goes against their own beliefs about women as people without agenda or personality)...and has a Jewish wife, which would inflame anti-semitic imagination even more than Kaganovich at the helm.
Except you keep forgetting that TTL the CIA doesn't exist and the organization that would be its obvious predecessor (the OSS) is for practical purposes "KGB, American Directorate". So the "FSA" ("Fascist States of America", Post-White America) will have to build any hypothetical intelligence service from scratch.I think “the Reds” are more complicated than Saturday morning cartoon villains. France and Italy aren’t Czechoslovakia or Bulgaria. There aren’t thousands of USSR troops stationed in them. If anything, the likeliest dictatorship to be established in those two countries is a CIA-backed fascist one after a military coup.
Maybe there was some obscure academic here and there, to whom no one paid any attention, trying to talk about racism in the works of Roald Dahl.I can. Dahl has proven that his racism went a lot further than the average Britons in the 1960s.
Some people are acting like retrospectively noticing racism in older works is a thing of the past few years, but people had already been noticing the obvious racist elements in his works in the early 70s.