Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

VVD0D95

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How much could change if James IV did not die at floddeb field but instead lived until the mid 1530s? One big change inthink is that the Earl of Angus and the Douglas family do not rise to such prominence
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

VVD0D95 said:
How much could change if James IV did not die at floddeb field but instead lived until the mid 1530s? One big change inthink is that the Earl of Angus and the Douglas family do not rise to such prominence
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Cue further breakdown of Anglo-Scottish relations, but maybe James V has full siblings
 

VVD0D95

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ordinarylittleme said:
Cue further breakdown of Anglo-Scottish relations, but maybe James V has full siblings
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Wiuld relations break down further? James was fairly diplomatic when he wanted to be. If floddeb still ends in defeat but he survives he may well consider breaking things off with France
 

isabella

VVD0D95 said:
Wiuld relations break down further? James was fairly diplomatic when he wanted to be. If floddeb still ends in defeat but he survives he may well consider breaking things off with France
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ordinarylittleme said:
Honestly he should have done that BEFORE Flodden
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VVD0D95 said:
Indeed, he got baited into that
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Most of the blame for the failing of relationship between England and Scotland is on Henry, in my opinion as he had at least a strong dislike for the Scots
 

isabella

VVD0D95 said:
Indeed, though France goading James into invading didn’t help
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I think who at that point the relationship was already ruined, if James had taken the risk to attacking England while Henry was away in war and childless (meaning who Margaret would be the legitimate Queen if her brother died during his war)
 

VVD0D95

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isabella said:
I think who at that point the relationship was already ruined, if James had taken the risk to attacking England while Henry was away in war and childless (meaning who Margaret would be the legitimate Queen if her brother died during his war)
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True true
 

VVD0D95

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What if James the old pretender landed in Scotland at the same time as the Earl or mar, and was present when he was proclaimed in Aberdeen? With him in command personally, and with his battle experience could the Jacobites be more decisive in their engagements? Maybe not allowing the government forces to escape?
 

isabella

Ogrebear said:
What if Mary died the same time as Catherine of Aragon?

What’s the knock on effect of an earlier Queen Elizabeth?
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Well butterflies can do a lot BEFORE that. If Mary died at the same time of her mother, then Anne Boleyn is the mother of Henry’s ONLY living legitimate child meaning who has nothing to fear anyone from the Imperial side, and that can delay her downfall and possibly prevent her last miscarriage, specially as I doubt who Henry would be jousting few days after the death of his eldest child
 

CEL

Mister devilfinger said:
What would happen if Ilkhanate becomes an new caliphate and mixes with khaganate?

sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilkhanate
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Something I don't get is if a caliph has to be from the Quraysh, since Timur couldn't claim the position due to not being a member of the Quraysh yet the Ottomans (who were not members of the Quraysh either) later were recognised as caliphs anyway.
 
Ogrebear

Ogrebear

isabella said:
Well butterflies can do a lot BEFORE that. If Mary died at the same time of her mother, then Anne Boleyn is the mother of Henry’s ONLY living legitimate child meaning who has nothing to fear anyone from the Imperial side, and that can delay her downfall and possibly prevent her last miscarriage, specially as I doubt who Henry would be jousting few days after the death of his eldest child
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If Anne had a girl though how long will Henry keep her? One more child? Two more?

What happens if she does have a boy and stays Queen?
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Ogrebear said:
If Anne had a girl though how long will Henry keep her? One more child? Two more?

What happens if she does have a boy and stays Queen?
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Well, without Mary, she no longer has to fear anything from her (Mary's) royal connections. And assuming the boy lives, he succeeds Henry. Elizabeth is probably becoming Queen of Sweden ITTL.
 
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