What "Eccentric" states could exist today?
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be more fun to watch and see how they keep the economy going in such a state… Bye bye Subvention.
I know that at one point, Lyndon Johnson as a freshmen congressmen had been thinking about a proposal to settle refugee Jews in west Texas. That might be interesting. Plus there’d be some good cultural crossover. Good brisket would be a staple along with Texas style pastrami as well as Mexican flavors too.
Another idea might be having Mormon Deseret be an independent nation and somehow remains independent fighting off the US and Mexico
Another idea might be having Mormon Deseret be an independent nation and somehow remains independent fighting off the US and Mexico
Back in the 1930s there was not only a "Back to Africa" movement active among the African-Americans but a 'Black Fascist' movement as well, with some overlap in their memberships. Make that overlap greater and the combined movement significantly more effective, and... an openly fascist Liberia, by the outbreak of WW2, perhaps?
Around 1920 - Baron von Ungern-Sternberg emerges as the undisputed head of a restored monarchist Russia, declares himself the "Great White Khan of all the Russias".There were some states in history that standed out like a sore thumb as being akin to a joke that went too far, either for being too much into roleplay of a long gone state, or by being too much into some ideology.
One example we have is Guatemala under Jorge Ubico Castaneda
(yes I took it from a game but just because this was the only pic in colour of him I could find)
Jorge Ubico ruled guatemala from 1931 to 1944 and he basically brought Napoleonbooism to a level unseen before. First he abolished civilian positions in the government and built a stratocracy that had to be seen to be believed, going as far to give even the post office and the education system to the military. He then adopted napoleonic imagery, built napoleonic palaces around the country and he would compare himself to Napoleon all the time, going as far as being nicknamed "The little Napoleon of the tropics". This state might seem awesome, but the lack of democratic reforms made the people get fed up and he tried a crackdown that brought outrage and resulted in his overthrow.
Another example is the Arrow Cross regime in Hungary, for a very stupid reason. Basically the Arrow Cross party was unpopular and it was put in power after the nazi invasion of Hungary. A bit after they asked no one other than HERMAN GÖRING to travel to Hungary and be crowned as the King of Hungary (look it up). Göring thanked then and said that he would do that when the situation in the world changed since as you know the soviets were basically halfway into hungary at this point. Eventually Hungary was overrun and they were thankfully punished. Assuming the arrow cross party got in power under the right circunstances we could get Hermann "Train collector" Göring as Hermann I of Hungary.
Other state I can think is Integralist France under the action Francaise, since as far as I know they planned to build a catholic monarchy from the 13th century if they had come into power.
So, what eccentric states could have been created from 1901 onwards?
Around 1940 - early 41 - Hitler, Goering, and several others in the Nazi hierarchy are blown up by a bomb. The position of Fuehrer and Head of Government defaults to the Deputy Fuehrer, ushering in the era known as the "Hessreich".
(oh, wait, you wanted something that could last to the present day, rather than maybe a couple years... or months...
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Oh now that's interesting. I’ve been considering a timeline about a continuing Ryukyu Kingdom – Anglo-Satsuma War sees the Domain having to renounce their claims on the Kingdom, this avoids later annexation by Japan, instead becoming a British protected state, short Japanese interregnum during WWII, then independent again and becomes an associated state with the US – and that's something to add to a post-war country. Run it along the lines of Monaco and its casino i.e. single government owned operation, locals banned from entering except for employees. Aside from general tourism Ryukyu should see a fair amount of business from Japan.
What about more weird microstates being around? Any microstates which could have survived into modern times? Maybe Trieste ends up being an independent city-state instead of becoming part of Italy or Yugoslavia?
Both had fairly decent leadership.
Now Katanga's neighbour on the other hand... the Republic of South Kasai unironically had a God-Emperor...
edit: Speaking of d'Annunzio, him failing and Fiume remaining a "Corpus Separatum of the Holy Crown of Hungary" as president Riccardo Zanella intended could be a fun little micro state.
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South Kasai was basically the Central African Empire before the, well, Central African Empire.
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I can’t believe this skipped my mind when microstates came up, but the Great Republic of Rough and Ready!
Also, Gersau - had it survived, it'd be even smaller than Nauru as a republic, since it has only around 2,000 inhabitants today.
Well, was thinking more of stuff like Trieste or Danzig lasting until modern times or a hypothetical independent Constantinople, Hong Kong, or Macau. For bonus AH potential, the idea of an independent Constantinople could be mixed with the possibility the Ottomans hang on there, turning Constantinople, lodged between a Greece which had annexed East Thrace and a Republic of Turkey in Anatolia, into a Muslim Vatican or a Russia which has smashed the Turks and occupied the city but is unable to annex Constantinople due to international pressure, instead of handing it to Greece or Bulgaria, hands the city over to the Ecumenical Patriarch, which essentially makes it an Orthodox version of the Vatican.
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...Belgium
Created by British diplomats in 1830 as buffer state
a Kingdom with pseudo democracy,
Kafkaesque bureaucracy,
and Political parties who operate like the Mafia...
Created by British diplomats in 1830 as buffer state
a Kingdom with pseudo democracy,
Kafkaesque bureaucracy,
and Political parties who operate like the Mafia...
Maybe if the Nazis doesn't take over Germany but still get elected in Danzig we could have a long lasting Nazi dictatorship in Danzig that could last up to modern day as a city state totalitarian dictatorship
Fiume would be wild. It was a hub of fascist, weird artists, and philosophical people. In the modern era they'd be an insane state of real life Posadist, Eco-Fascist, and the most absurdist of modern political leaders infesting it from the online sphere.
How so?
Both of them, to me at least, seem like fairly generic nation-states
Moïse Tshombe was a bit colorful, but he was essentially a fairly conventional African Leader