Freedom Ship, a wandering cruise ship, the size of a large city. Essentially a floating city state.
What "Eccentric" states could exist today?
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Le Van Vien as dictator of (South) Vietnam.
Islamic socialist Iran under the MEK.
The far-right Bolivian Socialist Falange could've taken over the country and made a pseudo-fascist regime.
The US successfuly assassinate Fidel Castro, wich push Che Guevara himself to take over as leader of Cuba.
French mercenary Bob Denard overthrow the goverment of Comoros and become it's dictator himself.
It's not that much, but these are somewhat realistic weird dictatorships.
The Saar Protectorate deciding to become a independant country rather than rejoin Germany could be pretty funny.
Tasmania becoming it's own country instead of being part of Australia would be funny. People would just forgot to put them on maps like New Zealand.
For a Before 1900, a mormon colony in Vancouver Island instead of Utah that evolve into a independant mormon theocracy.
Islamic socialist Iran under the MEK.
The far-right Bolivian Socialist Falange could've taken over the country and made a pseudo-fascist regime.
The US successfuly assassinate Fidel Castro, wich push Che Guevara himself to take over as leader of Cuba.
French mercenary Bob Denard overthrow the goverment of Comoros and become it's dictator himself.
It's not that much, but these are somewhat realistic weird dictatorships.
The Saar Protectorate deciding to become a independant country rather than rejoin Germany could be pretty funny.
Tasmania becoming it's own country instead of being part of Australia would be funny. People would just forgot to put them on maps like New Zealand.
For a Before 1900, a mormon colony in Vancouver Island instead of Utah that evolve into a independant mormon theocracy.
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It would be interesting for a radical France to put a government in Saarland that claims to be the real German republic.
Congratulations, the concept "Croatia with a nuclear arsenal" is something I didn't expect myself to imagine, like, ever, but I could totally see it here, whether through Croatia seizing some previously owned by Germany or just having former German scientists develop them.
While I don’t see Germany/German scientists developing very many nuclear weapons considering their views on “Jewish physics”, its possible that the Ustashe would pursue their own nuclear program after their powerful ally collapses. Something that former German scientists would likely give Croatia, however, would chemical and biological weapons tested on concentration camp inmates, considering all the human experimentation they did OTL. I imagine Croatia would have a quite extensive WMD program, since the rest of Europe would not hesitate to invade otherwise.
And on that note, maybe a Fascist Italy which survived the fall of Nazism could be the China to said Croatia's North Korea?
Let us say Russia has some kind of collapse in the 90s, and Salman Raduyev becomes the Chechen Dictaror.
en.m.wikipedia.org
“Georgi Derluguian also called him "the enfant terrible of Chechen resistance" due to his eccentric behavior outside his military career: he wore a uniform decorated by what he claimed to be insignia of Genghis Khan, a black military beret like that of Saddam Hussein, an Arab keffiyeh around his neck and aviator sunglasses to hide his face which had been heavily reconstructed after multiple surgeries due to the injuries he sustained as a militant.[4]”
“In 1997, the newly elected Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov stripped Raduyev of the rank of brigadier general to private. However, further action was blocked by a public opposition from Raduyev-led war veterans, including a prolonged rally in Grozny. This rally ended in a shootout, resulting in the deaths of both the commander of Raduyev's militia, Vakha Dzhafarov, and of the Chechen security forces chief Lechi Khultygov.[16] Meanwhile, Raduyev kept claiming responsibility for every explosion in Russia, including even accidental gas leaks. He claimed that Dudayev, who had died in 1996, was still alive,[14] and issuing orders to him from "a secret NATO base in Turkey" with the goal of the "liberation" of the entire North Caucasus.”
Salman Raduyev - Wikipedia
“Georgi Derluguian also called him "the enfant terrible of Chechen resistance" due to his eccentric behavior outside his military career: he wore a uniform decorated by what he claimed to be insignia of Genghis Khan, a black military beret like that of Saddam Hussein, an Arab keffiyeh around his neck and aviator sunglasses to hide his face which had been heavily reconstructed after multiple surgeries due to the injuries he sustained as a militant.[4]”
“In 1997, the newly elected Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov stripped Raduyev of the rank of brigadier general to private. However, further action was blocked by a public opposition from Raduyev-led war veterans, including a prolonged rally in Grozny. This rally ended in a shootout, resulting in the deaths of both the commander of Raduyev's militia, Vakha Dzhafarov, and of the Chechen security forces chief Lechi Khultygov.[16] Meanwhile, Raduyev kept claiming responsibility for every explosion in Russia, including even accidental gas leaks. He claimed that Dudayev, who had died in 1996, was still alive,[14] and issuing orders to him from "a secret NATO base in Turkey" with the goal of the "liberation" of the entire North Caucasus.”
Interesting idea.
He sounds like a Chechen Saparmurat Niyazov. Hopefully he doesn’t start writing any books.Let us say Russia has some kind of collapse in the 90s, and Salman Raduyev becomes the Chechen Dictaror.
Salman Raduyev - Wikipedia
“Georgi Derluguian also called him "the enfant terrible of Chechen resistance" due to his eccentric behavior outside his military career: he wore a uniform decorated by what he claimed to be insignia of Genghis Khan, a black military beret like that of Saddam Hussein, an Arab keffiyeh around his neck and aviator sunglasses to hide his face which had been heavily reconstructed after multiple surgeries due to the injuries he sustained as a militant.[4]”
“In 1997, the newly elected Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov stripped Raduyev of the rank of brigadier general to private. However, further action was blocked by a public opposition from Raduyev-led war veterans, including a prolonged rally in Grozny. This rally ended in a shootout, resulting in the deaths of both the commander of Raduyev's militia, Vakha Dzhafarov, and of the Chechen security forces chief Lechi Khultygov.[16] Meanwhile, Raduyev kept claiming responsibility for every explosion in Russia, including even accidental gas leaks. He claimed that Dudayev, who had died in 1996, was still alive,[14] and issuing orders to him from "a secret NATO base in Turkey" with the goal of the "liberation" of the entire North Caucasus.”
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If India had not invaded Goa and gave it independence instead it would've got quite interesting.
The only Christian country in South Asia; in fact the only Christian country in that area for miles and miles!
The only Christian country in South Asia; in fact the only Christian country in that area for miles and miles!
So does Andorra. And speaking of Andorra, what would be interesting would be a scenario where, instead of the President of France becoming co-Prince of Andorra, either the Bourbons or the Bonapartes remain co-Prince of Andorra even after France becomes a Republic.
Pirate Utopia is a novella revolving around a Carnaro that survives due to the actions of the main character. He thinks he's just playing a small part but the survival of Carnaro butterflies Hitler and Mussolini, turns the Easter Rising into a full scale civil war in the British Isles and basically supercharges every separatist or revolutionary movement in Europe and the Arabian peninsula in the post-WWI period since the regime flaunts all international treaties and becomes a hub of gun and drug smuggling, counterfeiting, and Mediterranean piracy. Let's just say there are some concerned Americans very interested in adopting Futurism in the United States. It's a heck of a read for like a hundred and twenty pages.
Could this lead to a corporatist style legislative structure in some part of Canada? Maurice Duplessis would love, an austrian style alliance with the Catholic Church.
An idea I'm particularly taken by is a SoCred Party that is able to unite the issues of Quebec and western alienation sometime before the seventies, hotwiring the Canadian political system and turning them into a major party that sticks around. Say it with me: Kim Campbell, greatest postwar Canadian PM!
Yes. Jreg would get infinite content interviewing the alt-righters to breadtubers that inhabit modern day Fiume.
@Seandineen @Born in the USSA
Thing is, Social Credit has a weird electoral history.
1957 - 19 seats, all in western Canada.
1958 - no seats
1962 - 30 seats, 4 in western Canada, 26 in QUEBEC
1963 - 24 seats, 4 in western Canada, 20 in Quebec
At which point, the party split into a Quebec and a Rest Of Canada faction.
1965 - Creditiste - 9, Social Credit - 5
From '68 onward, Social Credit never won another seat in western Canada, and the creditiste continued a low-level fluctuation in Quebec(re-joining with Social Credit in 1971), before being wiped out in 1980.
IOW Social Credit was almost entirely destroyed in the west before they ever won a seat in Quebec. So to get a trans-national alienation-based party in power, I think you'd need to keep the westerners from being wiped out in 1958. And even then, roughly extrapolating from their '58 and '62 numbers, that still only gets you 45 seats, maybe enough to rival the NDP for third-party status, but not much else.
And Kim Campbell as a Socred PM? Great scenario, but probably not doable, without major changes to the nature of the movement. KC came out of the yuppie wing of the BC provincial party, and broke with Bill Vander Zalm over his right-wing views on abortion. Not likely that she would be comfortable with the Douglasites, fundamentalists, and Catholic reactionaries who'd make up a federal Social Credit government.
As for Seandineen's Duplessis-backed corporatism, probably not, if we're talking about true Social Credit. Aberhart in Alberta was a lesson about how business would react to "monetary reform"(understatement: not friendly), and Duplessis was all about attracting American investment. Government officials ranting against the financial system and threatening to take control of banks is the last thing he would want.
Thing is, Social Credit has a weird electoral history.
1957 - 19 seats, all in western Canada.
1958 - no seats
1962 - 30 seats, 4 in western Canada, 26 in QUEBEC
1963 - 24 seats, 4 in western Canada, 20 in Quebec
At which point, the party split into a Quebec and a Rest Of Canada faction.
1965 - Creditiste - 9, Social Credit - 5
From '68 onward, Social Credit never won another seat in western Canada, and the creditiste continued a low-level fluctuation in Quebec(re-joining with Social Credit in 1971), before being wiped out in 1980.
IOW Social Credit was almost entirely destroyed in the west before they ever won a seat in Quebec. So to get a trans-national alienation-based party in power, I think you'd need to keep the westerners from being wiped out in 1958. And even then, roughly extrapolating from their '58 and '62 numbers, that still only gets you 45 seats, maybe enough to rival the NDP for third-party status, but not much else.
And Kim Campbell as a Socred PM? Great scenario, but probably not doable, without major changes to the nature of the movement. KC came out of the yuppie wing of the BC provincial party, and broke with Bill Vander Zalm over his right-wing views on abortion. Not likely that she would be comfortable with the Douglasites, fundamentalists, and Catholic reactionaries who'd make up a federal Social Credit government.
As for Seandineen's Duplessis-backed corporatism, probably not, if we're talking about true Social Credit. Aberhart in Alberta was a lesson about how business would react to "monetary reform"(understatement: not friendly), and Duplessis was all about attracting American investment. Government officials ranting against the financial system and threatening to take control of banks is the last thing he would want.
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Actually, an alliance fighting against "alienation" in the west and Quebec pretty much describes the Conservative government of 1984 to 1993, of which Kim Campbell of course was a major part.
And the wind whispered "banking reform" 😂 To be fair the Campbell thing is mainly because it would be a hilarious historical irony to me.