Not a regular cannon but rather the 152mm XM-150 gun /missile launcher.
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Not a regular cannon but rather the 152mm XM-150 gun /missile launcher.
I don't think so, I believe they can be made smaller though.
It depends on the particular design of the vehicle. In some cases there is extra capacity in the hull design but generally speaking the answer is usually no as the maximum turret ring has already been built in. After all, why wouldn’t you?
Man I have a short memory... must have a lot going on atm
.On the bright side I might have a TL where it will feature, thereby allowing me to create a backstory or a second backstory if you already have one for the build.
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They gave the thing a 90mm gun when the tank was originally designed for a 37. I can only imagine what the reaction would be if you took that thing back to 1941 and paraded it in front of the Army Ordnance Department
Ok, there's a timeline I'd love to read
Randy
There's an idea! Instead of the Shillelagh they decide to go with the late 50's "Cannonball" ATGM design*!
Even worse design challenges and probably execution but just think of the "Look at my bore diameter and despair!" plus a lot of "pirates-and-cannons" jokes for the next dozen decades!
Randy
* or worse.. "Hey the Air Force isn't using that "Pye Wacket" missile design so..."
Of course now that I think of that, it might make a pretty nifty design after all tossing "omnidirectional missiles" all over the place
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Can I say no matter how impractical this is I still want one? Or a couple dozen?
Randy
Fun fact: the United States built this thing in the late 80s....
...which looks pretty innocent til you realise that it is a tactical nuclear warhead for a 155mm gun - a hair's breadth larger than the same size of gun that the M60A2 uses.Shave a little off the casing, and you'd have a nuclear shell for the M60A2, which would clearly resolve all problems that the tank has with accuracy and electronics, and it certainly wouldn't have any issues with destroying enemy tanks to say the least!
Survivability, on the other hand, might be somewhat impacted by using a 2kt nuclear device in tank versus tank combat...but I'm sure that's something that the engineers can fix, they just need to try harder
Jokes aside, in a world where tactical nukes were more of a thing and somehow exempt from the atomic terror (which has made sure that, so far, no nuclear device has been used in anger since the end of WW2), I wouldn't be too surprised to find out if the US or the Soviets might've designed a sort of nuclear self-propelled-gun, a vehicle capable of carrying a number of nuclear artillery shells and lobbing them at enemy positions, probably with rocket assisted projectiles to increase range, but that might be too extreme for even the most atom-loving variations of OTL, as one engagement with the things would make the battlefield look like the surface of the Moon. Maybe something for the Fallout timeline, eh?
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Looks cool!I'm not the one designing the tank, but does it have to a be a fully homegrown design? Based on the kind of requirements that you're talking about here, it looks like there's either room for some of the scrapped concepts that the US was working on during the Cold War, or just an off the shelf existing tank modified for their situation, something like an M48 Patton; by the timeframe you're talking about the M60 is phasing them out, so it makes sense that a Brazil aligned enough to the US to be willing to play whack-a-mole with South American communists might be able to get them at a pretty good price. Certainly they'd be able to operate in the Brazillian environment; Brazil actually has M60 Pattons, and the M48 served well enough in Vietnam so it should be suitable for the tropical conditions in Brazil.
And for a bonus it actually meets your 6th requirement very well because...
...South Korea still has them in service today, using their M48A3K tanks as reserves to back up their more modern K1/K2s, and other countries like Taiwan had them, too. A Brazil that is heavily aligned with the US would definitely be able to get them, and then in the 70s get a combined fleet of M48s and M60s, which is a pretty darned good setup for the time, and in the years after that you could easily see Brazil setting out on its own refit program to further modernize the tanks, like they did to this Stuart:
They gave the thing a 90mm gun when the tank was originally designed for a 37. I can only imagine what the reaction would be if you took that thing back to 1941 and paraded it in front of the Army Ordnance Department
I saw this guy videos...I thought he hated everything about the military?
No. The Centurion AVRE was an actual real-world vehicle. It just so happens that my Centurion Mk5/X3 looks similar.
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Jokes aside, in a world where tactical nukes were more of a thing and somehow exempt from the atomic terror (which has made sure that, so far, no nuclear device has been used in anger since the end of WW2), I wouldn't be too surprised to find out if the US or the Soviets might've designed a sort of nuclear self-propelled-gun, a vehicle capable of carrying a number of nuclear artillery shells and lobbing them at enemy positions, probably with rocket assisted projectiles to increase range, but that might be too extreme for even the most atom-loving variations of OTL, as one engagement with the things would make the battlefield look like the surface of the Moon. Maybe something for the Fallout timeline, eh?
Have you every heard of a wargame called "Ogre" or "GEV"?
We did discuss "armored ground effect vehicles I know... Just not one that operationally use tactical nuclear warheads as "main gun rounds" but when you're working with the equivalent of a "Continental Siege Unit" you gotta do what you gotta do
Randy
For Ogre, don't bother with Nukes, a sufficiently large pit will do the job.Have you every heard of a wargame called "Ogre" or "GEV"?
We did discuss "armored ground effect vehicles I know... Just not one that operationally use tactical nuclear warheads as "main gun rounds" but when you're working with the equivalent of a "Continental Siege Unit" you gotta do what you gotta do
Randy
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