Why drop the A-bomb on a strategically worthless target though? Why not drop it on a rebel held city?
"What Madness Is This?" Volume II: Prophecies in the Dark
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Off the top of my head, I’d say it’s more about being a demonstration then pure proper tactical use. Dropping it on a town probably means less clean up, don’t lose all the riches a city mighy have, less to rebuild (if you even choose to), easier to suppress news of if something goes wrong. Said village also might have been a staging ground for an assault on a Cairo, so by destroying somewhere relatively minor you’re probably saving a much more valuable city
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Displaced Persons Camp in European North Africa. In walks an Officer from the Foreign Legion. "Those men who volunteer for the Legion are guaranteed citizenship for them and their families. Housing, food and education for them and their families and the opportunities to kill the people who sent you here." Massive crowd surges forward volunteer.
Meanwhile in Moscow.
"It is time to send some aid to the Central Europeans. We need time to prepare."
Meanwhile in Moscow.
"It is time to send some aid to the Central Europeans. We need time to prepare."
I wouldn't say it is anger. Napoleon V clearly considered all of its options before approving the nuclear strike. The fact he dropped only one nuke and on a small village rather than a major city seems to indicate his decision was far more calculated than simply anger
Johnny Gamble is a gift we don't deserve. I would love nothing more than for him to remain this timeline's Buck Turgidson.
The Asia lore is short, but no less sweet for it. Chinese permawar is as Chinese permawar does; but the introduction of India was done in probably the best possible way. It's got that ephemerality, the feeling that it wouldn't have happened so cleanly if the events around it had lined up in any other way. At last, at long last, Europa has probably the closest thing it will ever have to a genuine ally. There will never be another Great War that boils down to "Europa versus literally everyone else".
Not that everything will be hunky-dory in that subcontinent, there's probably still a lot of scars from the last war's plague and the policy of warm smiles toward Paris and Goa will have its discontents. But-- and this gets to the crucial thing that makes a revolutionary Indian path either impossible or likely to end as well as China or worse-- without Europa all that awaits India is a "feeding frenzy" that it is not ready for (the Muslim intellectuals that founded the Pakistan Movement OTL will of course be smart enough to agree this wouldn't be a good idea TTL, although they may still ask for certain constitutional guarantees in the states where Muslims are a majority). Held together by expediency alone, some level of authoritarianism is inevitable-- at the very least, the state will have to silence historical and political discussion of Europan sins (past, present, and future) in order to maintain its "warm smiles" foreign and internal policy. But this subservience could pay for itself-- with robust scholarships for Indian students in Europa and equally robust investment for old hands of European industry that form support companies in India, India may just become an ally worth its salt. What's Paris's angle? Well, it's hard to say no to making manufacturing even cheaper-- but also, keeping the industrial base spread across multiple continents, with many alternate supply chains, may help nuke-proof Europa's economy and give it a sample of that strategic depth which only the Republican Union truly enjoys.
The Africans. "Draft them all into the Foreign Legion" doesn't do anything for the women and children. And the thing is, even if sufficient space was available in North Africa to host them all, the local climate can't support their traditional crops. Morocco has enough altitude variation to grow a little of everything, but only a little (and I'm pretty sure cassava wouldn't grow at all). So we move some into North Africa, some into Europe even; what to do about the rest? Take a look at the latitude belts-- go far enough East from the Congo and you end up in South India and Southeast Asia. Are those off-limits for Europa? Go west, however, and you end up in Brazil, which is fighting for its life. How many fields do you think have been left vacant, as men, women, and children are sent to fight the RU? Fields of cassava, plantains, rice, coffee, rubber, maize, all crops the Congolese are familiar with-- and the Beutelist government might just be "color blind" enough, by ideology or necessity, to consider them as an option. Legal pandemonium ensues. Who owns the field a Congolese family is brought in to work on, who pays them, what treatment can they expect? If the answer to all three can only meaningfully be answered by expropriating what private property remains in Brazil and creating a uniform scheme of giant state plantations, that just might be what Brazil goes for with Europan "encouragement".
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Joe Sr.'s stuff about the gravy train sounds like it's just going to end up giving Chuck nightmares about gravy when his mind starts to go. Whenever he experiences some kind of setback he's treated to horrifying visions of his father with saucer-sized eyes and ten-foot-long arms pushing a gravy boat toward him, and it always ends with the boat tipping over and filling the entire room, and then his lungs...
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Well, no one has any reason to adopt anyone else's standards, so "tabulatrics" across the different factions may be different at its very roots. And I mean the absolute roots-- binary digital computing isn't the only option, the Soviets developed a ternary computer OTL and although this line wasn't continued it was at least workable, and its advantages would include fitting more information in the same space (since each space can be a 0/1/2, not just a 0/1). After this comes every other level of computing: processor architecture and basic machine instructions, programming languages of higher levels, operating systems. And then after all that comes network protocols, and by this point a Europan machine and an RU machine may be so fundamentally different that they would not be able to talk with each other even if the respective governments wished for such a thing.
So we could say that every faction gets its own Internet; the computer-communication network will probably be built atop the phone and telegraph lines, and I doubt there are any of those running across the Atlantic. However, let's say that, as happened so often during the Cold War, the two sides try to procure examples of each other's tech to break them down and see how they work. Couldn't there then be a danger of Faction A sneaking onto Faction B's internet with a captured computer, or using such a computer to intercept and decode messages? Maybe not in the cable era, but once wireless communications are developed-- then you could park a whole radio listening center in West Germania or Britain. Or, Faction A could kidnap one of Faction B's computer experts? It's already happened as part of the race to nuclear weapons. Either way, the secondary danger will soon become apparent-- in addition to reading Faction B's materials, Faction A could also broadcast through the enemy's network, telling their people things their government doesn't approve of*. Imagine, you're arguing with someone on the Internet-- but just as they gain the upper hand, you call the Internet-cops and report that a no-good Euro-Loomie agent has snuck into your Jev-fearing soul-food-recipe forum. "He's poisoning the minds of the youth, trying to sap and dilute our ancient barbecue sauce with his Inferior swill!" Or, an actual Europan agent finally enters the Murica-net and finds that they're... weirdly normal? A few months pass and he's adding barbecue sauce to his coq au vin.
Of course eventually cryptography will evolve enough that mere access to the enemy's network doesn't mean you can now read everything they've got, but until then the incentivized approach isn't "one Internet per faction", but multiple Internets within the same faction, and maybe even multiple incompatible computer architectures (civilian machines designed in a radically different way from military machines and so on). Added hilarious side effects could be RU computer scientists raving about the infernal machines of the Europans and Illuminists, their devilish computation perfectly suited for the race most odious in the eyes of Jev... imagine your average tech flame wars, but fueled by religious intolerance.
Overall, I think I'd almost appreciate the tendency towards small chatrooms, bulletin boards, and blogs instead of massive mega-apps for anything and everything. You know that feeling you get when you go onto a small fishing forum? Or even this very website, which after all isn't that big? Imagine an Internet that's just that, a network of small towns. Then one day a new account barges in and reveals that Potted Pancreas... isn't actually pancreas??? Or he posts a photo, grainy and compressed to hell but undoubtedly the visage of the late President Steele fishing something out of his pocket and... eating it? It's gotta be fake, right? There's no way...
(One might ask why the Soviets didn't do something like this and the answer is... complicated, there's a lot of reasons. The computer-per-person ratio was lower in the west, Moscow never came up with a full governing regime for computers that would exclude/offer alternatives to Western versions, the USSR's networks mostly operated for the benefit of scientific, educational, or industrial institutions that wanted to keep up with the West instead of reinventing its wheels, and the Internet itself become popular and standardized only after the USSR collapsed. WMIT-world with its openly genocidal competition may lead to people thinking much further ahead on the matter of computers, and engineering large differences from the earliest years.)
*This will actually remain a danger for the RU, some kind of Radio Free America broadcasting out of the Azores (there's almost definitely a Radio Free Britain and Germania). Jamming works, but really the only surefire method is what North Korea has used since the Kim Il-Sung days: putting seals on every single radio to prevent them from being tuned to anything outside an approved range, and regular inspections of the seals (you can guess what happens if they are found broken). Britain has probably gone this far, but the RU wanting to maintain a society that "feels" comfortable (or at least tolerable) throws a wrench into its works-- the Soviets not only didn't use the radio-seals but also imported Western TV shows.
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Huh. So is that a new idea, that even the Pinnacle men are not wholly Pinnacle? What, does that mean they're admitting to be part Inferior? This might actually help Oswald's "sin all you like, Jev will forgive you" policy, and gives Billy Graham something else to "save" people from.
Honestly, this is good parenting considering the brutality of RU life. It's weirdly wholesome and it totally makes sense Manasseh would be devoted enough to his mother to "cause his own downfall" (which could itself be blamed on the RU allowing no other outlet for the hysteria it cultivates).
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It's been a part of the doctrine from the beginning that the modern Pinnacle bloodlines were diluted (explicitly not polluted) versions of the ancient Adamic Pinnacle Race. That's part of my rationale for legalization of interracial relations between Betters under the Sexual Marxism of the upcoming Oswald Reforms, since all these Better strains could by definition reconstitute the bloodline through careful intermixing.
I actually expanded on that in one of my Expanded Universe posts. Recreating the "Master Race", in this case referring to the human master specimen that all the Pinnacle people's are derived from, would be an actual government goal in the future.
Iirc, it's been part of the Pinnacle theory since the begginning. It's not that they are part Inferior, AFAIK, but that their Pinnacle fluids are just not strong enough as they were in the golden ages of the past. The wonders and conquests of ancient Pinnacle societies such as the roman empire are hold to be as examples of the sheer power and strenght of their Pinnacle fluids, and men like Caesar and Alexander the Great were supposedly the best of the best. But even then, they weren't as supreme as the very original Pinnacle Race of Adam.
The RU seeks to revive such full strength, and just like old Caesar and Alexander, the RU's leaders are the most pinnacle of all. It's only a matter of time before someone, most probably good old chuckerfucker, gets the idea he's the Ultimate Complete Pinnacle Man.
Note: ninja'd by @Born in the USSA and @Scrivener.
Note 2 electric boogaloo: you know, it's kind of amusing that if we were discussing rl racial theories with such seriousness and interest people might suspect we're nazis.
It's a testament to how well this TL constructs a wholly unique strain of racialist nonsense that it's taken so seriously in universe (and its development makes logical sense given the course of the TL's modern history) but comes off as too ridiculous IRL to be meant as anything other than irony.
Thanks to WMIT, I now fear the day when someone discovers my browser history.
I don’t remember, was the specific thing for groups like Modern Italians and Greeks that the supposed ancient Pinnacle Romans and Greeks had been corrupted by miscegenation with Inferiors to produce their modern inferior descendants well Better groups like the Anglo-Saxons were there last descendants or that they had been replaced wholesale and their descendants were modern betters? If it was the former I could see it being used as a justification of Americanizing SOME Latin Americans (primarily kidnapped children) who are “clearly of better descent” or “showing racially desirable traits” when they need extra population in the colonies at times where they have trouble getting people to move down there, much like the Nazis did with many children in Eastern Europe for the Lebensborn program. Basically saying that such people are the only descendants of those who managed to preserve some of their Pinnacle Bloodline, or of Better Groups like the Ancient Visigoths and Ostragoths or the Lombards who ruled over the territory of modern inferior nations like Spain and Italy before Charlemagne and the Arab conquests but were clearly of better stock.
According to Physical Marxism:
- Northern Europeans, West Africans, Jews, the Japanese/Coreans and the classical civilizations are Betters unless Catholic. Germans and the French are Betters if Protestant.
- Celts, the modern Mediterranean race, most Africans, and most Asians are always Inferior regardless of religion.
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In terms of Celts I’m pretty sure it was specifically just the Irish who are viewed as Infees, since the Scottish, Welsh, ect. are still viewed as Betters. But yeah I know the Modern Mediterranean Race is seen as Infee, I was more asking if it was ever explained how they view the transition between the Pinnacle classical civilizations and the modern people living in the region who are Infees, and wondering if, in the case that they view it as having been because of Miscegenation with Infees that modern Italians and Greeks are Inferior, if they could justify recruiting South American Collaborators/Lebensborn type Americanization programs which would make digesting South America easier by saying that such people are those few who’s bloodlines haven’t been degenerated by the surrounding Infees (but who still need to be Americanized to destroy their “degenerate” culture and re awaken the Pinnacle bloodline).
I assume they severely downplay their Celtic roots. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Scots try to play themselves as rooted in Vikings or something along those lines.
As long as they can pass as Better physically and they convert anyone of French, German or West African descent could potentially be accepted as a collaborator. Not to mention Jews outside the RU get a really raw deal and would be accepted with open arms.
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Napo, you don't understand, I could hear this. That's some straight up, old-time, Appalachian/Foothills cursin' right there consarnit. Beautiful.
The official reasoning for the fall of the Pinnacle Man, as according to the Divinely Inspired Wisdom of Scientific Marxism, is that the Romans and Greeks mixed with racially impure peoples, likely in their lore North African/Persian as well as Celts and tribal Spanish peoples in the specific case of Rome. This degenerated their racial stock. It was further degraded by the Hunnic and Turkic invasions of Europe. I could also see a justification that the Byzantine invasion of Italy "brought already horrifically degenerated Greek strains in contact with the last of the pure Romans, ending their race forever." So basically, unrestrained race mixing and Asian invasions destroyed the Pinnacle Man. I don't see NUSA taking in any refugees or doing anything like that with the native populations, unless you have pure Better descent and can prove it (lots of Germans in Brazil and I could see "pure Blacks" being fine).