The Last Ship and On the Beach.Could you recommend any for me?
The Last Ship and On the Beach.Could you recommend any for me?
Thank you, but isn't The Last Ship about a pandemic (ironic)? I've watched the TV series.The Last Ship and On the Beach.
The original 1988 book is about a nuclear war.Thank you, but isn't The Last Ship about a pandemic (ironic)? I've watched the TV series.
I know there are books about submarine crews surviving after a nuclear war but I really want to see a story where Soviet and American bomber crews try to survive in their respective enemy’s home country after they cease to be functioning nation states.
IIRC Resurrection Day, by Brendan DuBois, featured a Soviet bomber crew in the USA.Could you recommend any for me?
Yeah that makes a lot of sense.Boomers only carry maybe 120 days of food onboard. With the move to reverse osmosis units when the filters are gone they can’t even make fresh water.
Doubt it very much. Trident operate in the southern Atlantic. Soviet boomers way up north. There would be no way to coordinate with friendly SSNs. They might just shoot first and ask questions later. Plus the crews wouldn’t give a rats ass. The world is probably over. Loved ones all dead (families all live around the base). Would you want to sail up to the North Atlantic to hunt the evil Soviets after you fired 24 Trident missiles? Each with multiple warheads?
I suppose if things went quite well for one side, the chain of command might in theory at least be able to direct some surviving SSBN's to take on other roles, but I think this thread was built on the premise that there was no longer a chain of command to provide direction to the surviving crews.Now that is a possibility... I'd wonder though how effective it would be, assuming that much of the chain-of-command, coordination, and intelligence-gathering has likely been wiped out. They may just be hunting "in the dark" for awfully small needles in an awfully big haystack...
In the alternate history novel, Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois, a story about what would have happened if the Cuban Missile Crisis had gone wrong. The main character meets two gentlemen who had that very problem.I know there are books about submarine crews surviving after a nuclear war but I really want to see a story where Soviet and American bomber crews try to survive in their respective enemy’s home country after they cease to be functioning nation states.
Here is a not too good quality clip.were's complete confusion at the missile silo after launch with a heated argument about what to do next, lead by the actor who played Cowboy in "Full Metal Jacket"
During the Cold War (and today) what were the people in ICBM silos, submarines and bombers (Soviet and American) supposed to do after firing nuclear weapons in the event of a full nuclear war and how would they have fared assuming they survived the initial exchange?
Which position (silo, bomber or submarine) would have the best chance to survive in the aftermath of the war?
Not quite.If I recall, the advice of an RAF air marshal to bomber crews was to keep flying east and find a nice plump mongolian girl!
In 6000AD tabloids breathlessly declare that genetic testing has shown that many people in the Mongolian Khanate have similar DNA to those from the Irish isles. This provides the first real evidence the Irish invasion theory says Professor X'azu Querty of the University of Nukeabad., though he cautioned that it was more likely a trade* relationship rather than an "invasion".Guy reads from the memoir of another pilot, whose post-strike advice was: “Keep flying east, and hope to settle down with a nice warm Mongolian woman.”
Is that the Titan missile site near Tucson, Arizona?I recall watching a video once of the curator in an ICBM silo turned into a museum as he walked a group of visitors through a theoretical launch procedure. He spoke of closing the silo doors and ensuring they were prepared for the blast of an incoming enemy weapon, putting out fires caused by the launch, and so on. He then mentions that in a real launch, this entire time the senior man in the silo has been operating from a checklist. The last item on the list?
"Await further orders."
He then rhetorically asks from where such orders were expected to issue. Yes, there were bunkers, and hardened lines of communications, and designated alternate officials, but no way to know how much of that would survive.
So again, further orders from whom, and to what effect?
He then lists off about how long the air scrubbers can be expected to work once the silo complex is sealed, and about how long the stores of food, water and other supplies can last. Near then end of that time, he says, they would have had a rather stark choice.
I. Stay in the silo awaiting further orders, and likely just die.
II. Pack up the remaining supplies, exit the complex, and try to figure out what's going on outside.
It's a rather grim prospect, and that is part of why such an exchange never happened in the first place. Nobody wanted to risk that future, if you could even call it one.
Is that the Titan missile site near Tucson, Arizona?
Missile field and SAC ground crews were mainly going to be part of the heavy fallout. Carriers were expected to suffer heavy losses, same for SSBN. There were actually plans, at least on the American side, for "alternate landing" sites for returning B-52s/B-1/B-2 to refuel and rearm (undoubtedly one of the most overly optimistic bits of military planning since Barbarossa).
Outside of some SSBN the whole "we continue to strike" only works if it it a limited exchange. Given the mindset of the MAD era, a Limited Exchange seems rather optimistic.Possibly. It's been a minute or two.
Early on it was possible some less developed military airfields would survive at least the first wave of strikes. By the 80s? Let's just say there's a reason SAC crew prepared to land on stretches of the interstate highways. Realistically bombers were going to be a one and done gig with a few exceptions, after which the crews would either try to make it home, such as it was, or find a country not involved in the war in range of their fuel reserves.
Both sides expected a phase of "brokeback warfare" after the first wave of strikes, during which a smattering of surviving personnel would struggle to carry on their last intelligible orders using whatever weapons and facilities were left, seeking out and attacking targets until the fuel was gone, the weapons ran out, the food and water ran low, or they were themselves killed by some people in different uniforms doing the same damn thing they were.
Outside of some SSBN the whole "we continue to strike" only works if it it a limited exchange. Given the mindset of the MAD era, a Limited Exchange seems rather optimistic.
Some command assets could have been used to direct/support surviving bombers and boomers, such as Looking Glass or some updated version of National Emergency Command Post Afloat. They could inform survivors of the situation and possible refuges. I also guess that a lot of military bases would radio just before they were hit, such as "This is Offut. All planes away. Hatches closed. Seven heavy warheads 30 seconds away. End." to inform survivors of the situation.