This is usually true but the Lee Enfield rifle I posted is a post war military issue rifle.
TL-191: Featherston's Finest - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the CSA and Freedom Party
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Nice! Well its a good pick to spice things up and makes the Confederate arsenal have a bit more variety.
By the way, curious question for you - now that you've made a few infantry weapons for the Confederates here, out of all the guns you have for them, which ones are your pick for what the Confederate arsenal would be? Categories being - pistol, SMG, rifle, and MG.
Something which isn't normally a consideration for sniper rifles with their heavy barrels, large high power scopes and integral bipods. Odd.
Yeah but the Brits usually have a good reason for doing things, we're just missing something here I think.
On the subject of CS rockets, I had previously speculated that Seversky and Sikorsky settled in the CS ITTL, since Russia and the CS are Entente allies. They’re not the only European engineers who might end up there—I can also plausibly imagine the family of Karel Bossart (OTL developer of the Atlas missile) moving to the CS to escape the repressive German-dominated regime in Belgium (or fleeing as refugees after the Rape of Belgium?). TTL Bossart can take a leading role in Confederate rocket engineering, driven by a furious hatred of the Central Powers after witnessing the Rape of Belgium as a child.
The consequent Confederate Long-range Rocket could be thus more like an Atlas than a V-2–pressure-stabilized tanks, for one. No vane-steering, but instead going straight to gimbaled engines.
I don’t know why the Germans went with alcohol IOTL, but the CS has more petrol, so I also imagine the CS rockets to use gasoline or even an RP-1 analogue.
The consequent Confederate Long-range Rocket could be thus more like an Atlas than a V-2–pressure-stabilized tanks, for one. No vane-steering, but instead going straight to gimbaled engines.
I don’t know why the Germans went with alcohol IOTL, but the CS has more petrol, so I also imagine the CS rockets to use gasoline or even an RP-1 analogue.
Well that's fascinating to consider! Do you have an idea of what a potential Confederate rocket with this description would like? I'm personally not familiar with rocket designs, so any visuals can help. Any mention of a rocket being used in the Second Great War and I just immediately think of the V-1 or the V-2 rockets made during WWII.
So, the Confederates have a rocket. What would they be used for? How will they fly? And how can the United States address this worrisome weapon (if it is used as a weapon).
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Well, the books say that the rockets hit Philadelphia. They were used as an alternative to bombers for terror bombing
Do they say what they look like? Do you yourself have an idea of what they would have looked like?
If you look at both Victorious Opposition and IATD, there is some more mention of the Confederate Navy: When the U.S.S. Remembrance sails into the Gulf of California to show the flag to the Confederates in Guyamas, one of the Rebs' Coastal Defense Battleships (essentially a Pre-Dreadnaught) comes out to see what the carrier and her escorts are up to. The Confederate Pacific Squadron is probably that ship, a light cruiser or two, three or four destroyers (a destroyer division, in other words) and a submarine division (four boats). IATD mentions a number of Confederate Navy ships at Hampton Roads that are laid up-a heavy cruiser is shelling advancing U.S. forces with her 8" guns, and there's probably other cruisers and destroyers laid up-some with battle damage, others due to lack of fuel. Then Sam Carsten's destroyer escort is based out of Mobile, AL on occupation patrol, and that is where the Confederate Naval Academy was-and there are caretaker crews from the USN aboard a number of captured Confederate ships cruisers, destroyers, and subs. The ship's special operation to Cuba has her disguised as a Confederate DE, it should be recalled. The U.S.S. Oregon encounters a Confederate Sub on the surface after the cease-fire, and directs them to the nearest U.S port as well.
The Confederate Navy is probably a limited blue-water force (cruisers and destroyers-with the latter also for ASW, along with some amphibious capability for the Bahamas and Haiti), Coastal Defense/ASW-the latter especially in the Gulf of Mexico and for protection of coastal convoys, and riverine forces.
The Confederate Navy is probably a limited blue-water force (cruisers and destroyers-with the latter also for ASW, along with some amphibious capability for the Bahamas and Haiti), Coastal Defense/ASW-the latter especially in the Gulf of Mexico and for protection of coastal convoys, and riverine forces.
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Not of the top of my head. I should really crack open those bools again. Knowing Turtledove, the Confederate rockets are probably just V-2s painted differently
Per Turtledoveism, V-2s, but with my fanon suggestion that Karel Bossart is in charge, I’m thinking mini-Atlas, possibly with camo paint. Fins are optional.
A lot of them will have huge Confederate flags painted on them—for patriotic/propaganda reasons and for tracking camera purposes, to make it easier to identify a spin during test flights. Indeed, a bright orange paint job with a Confederate flag is plausible for early rockets—make it easier to recover parts after a test, and facilitate in-flight observation.
Right, well that all makes sense to me then. Flags on the fuselage and camo and everything. I don't think it would be an exact copy of a V-1 or V-2 either.
That said, I still have no idea what this rocket is suppose to look like! So I went and search up this Karel Bossart guy you mentioned and looked up his early rockets for an idea as to what a Confederate rocket can look like.
^^^ --- One of the early Atlas rockets I believe. Convair SM-65D Atlas Missile. A possible stand in for the Confederate rockets if what you say about Karel Bossart is right.
^^^ --- Or this one - Convair MX-774 Hiroc Missile. Its seems very similar to design to a V-2.
Yes, YES! This is nice! A nice shade of green with the Confederate battle flag on it.
This a good take on what the CS rockets mint have looked like. I do like that its not an exact copy of the V-2 here. It seems more like the MX-774 Hiroc in design, plus elements of the Atlas missiles. These Confederate terror weapons might be made un Huntsville I think, right? I think that was mentioned quite a bit for where these weapons were made.
I also made it a little shorter than it was originally. I don't remember where the CS rockets were made but I did imagine them being fired from forested locals where they would be easy to camouflage, so the green color stood out to me and its part of the reason I chose this pic to work with.
Indeed. These would be prime targets for US fighters and bombers if spotted. Makes sense that they would at least try to hide them in areas that were out of the way and allow for easy concealment.
This rocket also looks less "curvy" than the V-2, if that makes sense. Overall I think this is a good look at what Confederate rocket weapons looked like. I can't remember of the top of my head if there was the equivalent to a V-1 Buzz Bomb, but if not that's fine. I quite the look on this one, but can't comment much on technical aspects since I know nothing about rockets other than they look cool
I don't remember a TL-191 V-I Buzz Bomb but if there was such a thing I would like to take a crack at it.Indeed. These would be prime targets for US fighters and bombers if spotted. Makes sense that they would at least try to hide them in areas that were out of the way and allow for easy concealment.
This rocket also looks less "curvy" than the V-2, if that makes sense. Overall I think this is a good look at what Confederate rocket weapons looked like. I can't remember of the top of my head if there was the equivalent to a V-1 Buzz Bomb, but if not that's fine. I quite the look on this one, but can't comment much on technical aspects since I know nothing about rockets other than they look cool
Does anyone here know if there was such a weapon in TL-191?