TL-191: Featherston's Finest - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the CSA and Freedom Party

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  1. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    Should there be a thread on the secondary powers and combatants of the Great Wars? Quebec, Mexico, Australia, Ireland, Germany's Eastern European vassals etc.
     
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  2. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    That be cool. I've been wondering how Japan's weapons and tech might have evolved in TL-191, did it follow the same path as OTL or did the Brits, French, Russians or the CSA sell or trade them tech?
     
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  3. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Hughes V-43 Dragonfly heavy fighter of the 21st fighter squadron operating out of Memphis Tenn.
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    Swapped out the Junker Jumo engines with Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder radial engines (same engine used in the Bristol Beaufighter). It made sense to me that this plane would have a British engine (it is AH after all)and while the OTL German Moskito was primarily intended to be a night fighter, the CSAC uses it in variety of roles the way the Brits used their Mosquito IOTL.
    Amrmament is 2x20mm cannons & 2x50 cal. heavy MG's.
     
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  4. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    Is it just or do these Submachine guns look like the type that the CSA would use?
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  5. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Well, if you want to make one, like I said before go for it. You can probably break it down into several threads to be more specific, like "this one is for gear, weapons, and uniforms" and "this one is for general discussion", etc.
     
  6. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Ooooh! So is this like a Confederate night-fighter or what? Looks cool. I know it says its basically like the Mosquito, but would this like... the Confederate night-fighter version of the Mosquito? Love the name for it here! Seems like we're always getting the best names for Confederate gear.
     
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    Some of the scenes where Pinkard and Hip have SMGs mention drum magazines, it should be pointed out. Were the Freedom Party Guards using a different model than the Confederate Army?
     
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    Most likely, yeah. It could be that they are using a different model currently in service with the Confederate Armed Forces. In our time line there were always several submachine-gun designs in service with the major armies, so its likely that the guards may be using a gun that, while different than the ones given to frontline troops, were still in service in the Confederate Army and likely given to second line troops in smaller numbers.

    An example of this would be in OTL the M1A1 Thompson being used widely during WWII, with the M3 Grease Gun intended as the cheaper replacement, the Reising M50 issued in small numbers to Coast Guard and Navy personnel, and the United Defense M42 being air-dropped and used by partisans in occupied countries by the OSS.

    There are more and even better examples of course in other armies - like the Germans, who used a multitude of designs or captured weapons, or even the Soviets creating the PPs-43 used in service along side the PPsh-41.
     
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    Maybe! Maybe some opportunistic Italian designers looking for gainful employment with the Confederates sought build their designs and see if they worked on the battlefields of North America :p

    Right, well, I think out of the two examples here, the stamped-metal compact OG-43 would probably be the better candidate for the Confederates rather than the OG-44 wood-stock version, but that's just me. I say that because they would probably be looking for cheaply-made guns that could be pumped out quickly.
     
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    Almost certainly. I do agree with you on that. And speaking of the Thompson, it's mentioned in the books-in U.S. service.

    Any idea as to what caliber the CSA would be using? Certainly not .45, as the Thompson uses that.

    Party Guards preferred the SMGs with wooden butts, so they could use the butts on prisoners....
     
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    Ah, yes, the M1A1 Thompson in US service. Yes, I do remember that it was still being used by the United States in TL-191, as well as the Springfield 1903. Seems like a few recognizable US weapons are still in US service in TL-191. A critical weapon missing is the M1 Garand it seems.

    Hm. Have no idea what caliber the CSA would be using in their submachine-guns. Since the .45 was in service with the US, the CS would develop their own caliber. While I can't say the exact round, I can probably give a guess as to the design philosophy - as in "Hey y'all, what kind of bullet is powerful enough to stop a Yankee dead in his tracks?"

    You know this already for sure - in our timeline the US military needed a handgun and a bullet that had more stopping power and, overall, a better reload rate based on their experiences in the Philippines - they needed "man-stopping" rounds and guns that could fire them in a more fictive way.

    The Confederates in TL-191 by 1941 have the knowledge and experience of three major wars under their belt, with the Great War of 1914-1917 and the Mexican Civil War of the 1920s being their most relevant "testing grounds" for effective ammunition. My best guess is that the Confederates would need a round that is reliable enough in poor environmental conditions, can stop a man with enough force to put him down in close quarters, and can be reliably fired from a pistol and a submachine-gun. Furthermore, they would have to design guns that can be interchangeable with the same round to ease supply issues and logistics - the thinking being "hey, lets make some guns that can fire the same reliable round".

    Maybe that's a good idea, maybe not. I just feel like the Confederates would be big on designing a pistol round that can put a person down and put them down hard, able to be used in their SMGs too. No, not the .45 ACP of course, but perhaps any kind of round that can do the job of stopping a Yankee dead.

    Him, an SMG with a butt-stock huh?

    Well @cortz#9 here made a very handsome submachine-gun a while ago that I really like that has a wooden butt-stock. Its a fictional design of course, but hey.

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    ^^^ --- This is @cortz#9 design. I like calling it the "Griswold".

    Other than that I have no idea what the guards would be using as a submachine-gun with a wood-stock and a drum magazine...

    ... maybe a Suomi type submachine-gun?

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  12. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    I also wondered what caliber the CSA used.
     
  13. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    I also did a version with a drum mag, I don't remember if I posted it or not so here it is.
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  14. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Its a multi role heavy fighter, its used as a night fighter, a ground-attack aircraft, a fast light bomber and below is a tank buster version armed with a 3,7cm cannon.
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    I think the CS would have to use most of their weapon systems in multiple roles to get the most out what they could produce considering how much more the Union can mass produce in comparison.
     
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    Well I got it set up.
    https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...equipment-of-the-secondary-combatants.460546/
     
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    @cortz#9 - Okay, I'm going to do a summary list for the Confederate tanks you did! This is going to be split into several parts, because the sheer amount of tanks for the Confederates on this thread is truly long! All of them are good though.

    * --- If some of the vehicles on here need names or need to be clarified on what their designations are or what the gun calibers should be, let me know.

    Confederate Armored Fighting Vehicles - Coyote "Main Line" Family - (Barrels/Tanks): 1941-1944

    FV38M-A1 Coyote 57mm.png

    ^^^ --- FV38M-A1, "Coyote", 57mm gun

    FV38M-A2 Coyote 75mm.png

    ^^^ --- FV38M-A2, "Coyote", 75mm gun

    FV38M-A3 Coyote 75mm.png

    ^^^ --- FV38M-A3, "Coyote", 75mm gun

    FV38M A4 "Kyote"  w17 Pdr.png

    ^^^ --- FV38M-A4, "Kyote", 17 pdr. gun

    FV42B Jackal.png

    ^^^ --- FV42B, "Jackal", 57mm gun
     
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  18. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    The Jackal has a 57mm gun like the Coyote.
     
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    @cortz#9 - Part 2 of the Confederate tanks!

    * --- If some of the vehicles on here need names or need to be clarified on what their designations are or what the gun calibers should be, let me know.

    ** --- I may have had to change some names around to make the progression from model to model make sense. Let me know if its okay.

    Confederate Armored Fighting Vehicles - Coyote "Second Line" Family - (Barrel-Busters/Tank Destroyers/Anti-Air): 1941-1944

    Armadillo I SV39 75mm.png

    ^^^ --- BK39-A1, "Armadillo I", "Dillo I" 75mm gun

    Armadillo II BK40 Dillo 2.png

    ^^^ --- BK39-A2, "Armadillo II", "Dillo II", 75mm gun

    Armadillo III BK39 A3 75mm Dillo 3.png

    ^^^ --- BK39-A3, "Armadillo III", "Dillo III", 75mm gun

    Armadillo IV BK39 A4 Dillo 4 "Wile E" "Stalking Coyote" "Stalker" 20 Pdr -.png

    ^^^ --- BK39/40-A4, "Armadillo IV", "Dillo IV", "Wile E, "Stalking Coyote", "Stalker", 20 pdr. gun

    BK38 Wolfhound 20pdr.png

    ^^^ --- BK38, "Wolfhound", 20 pdr. gun

    SPAAG SV41 Black Hound 3.7cm auto cannon.png

    ^^^ --- SV41 SPAAG, "Blackhound", 3.7cm auto-cannon

    SV42 Cerberus dual 20mm auto cannon.png

    ^^^ --- SV42 SPAAG, "Cerberus", 2x 20mm auto-cannon
     
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  20. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    They look correct to me. :cool: