Here's the thing.
Leftists from tankies to leftcoms to syndies and anarchists all agree on one thing.
"Fuck the police" and "all cops are bastards"
No DOTP or socialist society is going to create a conventional police force.
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Leftists from tankies to leftcoms to syndies and anarchists all agree on one thing.
"Fuck the police" and "all cops are bastards"
No DOTP or socialist society is going to create a conventional police force.
Bookmark1995
Banned
Well, what distinguishes this police from a conventional one, and makes it immune to the same problems as OTL police.
It works more like an small army. I think you can choose a career in law enforcement (I think that might work for the investigative part of law enforcement), but the day-to-day stuff is handled by draftees or volunteers.
Careerism. Militias are not allowed to operate as essentially a separate society within a society; and the "beat cops" aren't allowed to make a career of it. Detectives I think are a different story. The cultural zeitgeist is also very much in favour of the internal affairs officials who continually check on the militias to minimise abuses of power whereas OTL they're often portrayed as nosy at best or actively evil at worst.
Bookmark1995
Banned
In other words, OTL police work is something you get complacent in, and often times you have a union protecting you from the consequences of your own actions.
ITTL, you do it as a form of public service.
But that still could create its own problems. Like the young volunteers being full of frat boys who I imagine pulling incredibly dangerous stunts, and letting their punk friends off the hook.
Tell that to China and the Soviet Union. Not all leftists are against police and prisons.
I did a police show piece, and one thing I considered, in terms of problems with this, was how personal connections disrupt the militias. I mentioned a volunteer who didn't do his quota of work, but got by because of a parent with high connections. Or (and this discussion is inspiring me to expand on this), a crime lord who was able to dominate the neighborhood, partly due to his connections with many of the volunteers in the policing militia.
As for mass shootings the large number of guns are like the Swiss system. Everyone has guns but you're exposed to them in a mandatory military training situation and while gun ownership is very high, the situations in which you can bring guns out are quite restricted. You don't get weapons for self defense but for that military service. Access to ammo is also restricted to the armouries. There is a very different culture around guns and while the Chinese, Americans, Soviets and Latinos have a lot of guns; they don't wave them around. It does mean that technically, the communist international can very quickly mobilize enormous numbers of reservists; as in tens or even hundreds of millions assuming logistics permit it; in war time since everyone is trained as one at adulthood.
Yeah, this is a big difference. You never hear about mass shootings in Switzerland, despite the large amount of guns.
Bookmark1995
Banned
Aside from their lack of woman's suffrage until the 1970s, and being the central bank for the most vile people on Earth, the Swiss rule!
I figure there are levels of citizens serving their Militia/Community service in the UASR and Comintern. Your average person may serve on the militia as a type of auxiliary. They go to training, know the basics and are watched by senior NCO's. Interactions between your average Jane and Joe and the local police may range from humorous (overzealous officers, favoritism, and small corruption) to dangerous (stalking, intimidation). Senior NCO's, Detectives and higher-ups are professionals. They have taken the exams and served their time and know their areas. Now a local militiaman or woman may serve and be done with their service, others may like the service and apply to attend a state academy. Standards are strict, however.
I really don't think this is a very universal maxim.
Tankies just want the People's Police.
In my experience leftcoms vary. I personally tend to see the whole question of police as being more complicated than ACAB, but I'm no expert.
Syndies and Anarchists are usually pretty anti-cop, yeah.
One thing that's often neglected in discussions about mass shootings is how utterly atomizing present American society is. Humans are social creatures, and we don't react well to loneliness and isolation, and unfortunately our present circumstances creates an overabundance of isolation. From our mythologies of rugged individualism, the huge amount of time parents spend working/commuting, the regimentation of school life, and the excessive pressure placed on children to prepare for their future, youth life in the US is high pressure and lonely. The people who don't fit in to the devil take the hindmost attitude aren't going to do well.
Our modern epidemic of depression is essentially a symptom created by our socioeconomic system that we medicate rather than really seriously consider the reasons why people wind up so depressed.
As for policing, ITTL it's not as though it is a purely amateur affair. There are NCOs and officers in the system for training/leadership, and the political prerogative is very strongly against allowing policing to become a separate body ruling over the body politic.
Our modern epidemic of depression is essentially a symptom created by our socioeconomic system that we medicate rather than really seriously consider the reasons why people wind up so depressed.
As for policing, ITTL it's not as though it is a purely amateur affair. There are NCOs and officers in the system for training/leadership, and the political prerogative is very strongly against allowing policing to become a separate body ruling over the body politic.
I agree with you largely, though I would note that for a lot of people their depression is purely chemical, more than anything else, and that things like manic depression/bipolar disorder most likely would still survive under socialism.
Honestly, I could see a lot of mental health problems still existing under socialism. That's not to say that capitalism and the society around it don't exacerbate or in some limited instances cause mental health issues, but I'm not sure if we can go to the Soviet-style conclusion of 'revolution instead of medication' or the like.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your argument. That said, your point on atomization is a good one.
That's certainly true. I fall in the category of people who are going to have mental health issues regardless of social circumstances, but life in late capitalism certainly hasn't helped much in that regard.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
I'm a fan of the swiss model of gun laws, though I don't believe in militias having heavy weaponry like cannons.
Also, hello everyone.
Also, hello everyone.
Mr. India (1988)
Directed by Gopal Sachin Narang
Written by Abha Patil, Shrinivas Tamboli, Sudhir D'cruze
Produced by Deepika Chaudhary
Mr. India is a 1988 Hindi science -fiction film. It stars Sukhbir Chander Rao, Mohini and Roshan Kumar in the lead roles.
The film was one the highest-grossing Indian film of 1988, and remains a cult classic in India. The film was known for several of its lines and songs, including Mohini's Miss Hawa Hawaii performance, and Roshan's quote "Mogambo khush hua" (Mogambo is pleased), which is one of the most famous quotes of Bollywood and became synonymous with Kumar. The Mogambo character is also considered to be one of the best villains in film history. The music performed well too, especially the song Hawa Hawaii which is very popular till today. The film has often been featured in different lists of top films. Indiatimes Movies ranks the movie amongst the Top 25 Must See Films.
Synopsis
Mogambo (Roshan Kumar) is a brilliant yet insane General whose goal is to conquer India. From his island, he monitors the evil-doings perpetrated by his henchmen. All of his subordinates know the formal salute "Hail Mogambo!", emphasizing his complete authority over his minions.
Arun Verma (Sukhbir Rao) is an orphan and a street-walking violinist who rents a large, old house. There, he houses a dozen or so orphaned children and takes care of them with the help of his cook and caretaker Calendar (Nand Mhasalkar). Arun is poor, owes debts to the local food merchant Roopchand (Apurva Rajiv Joshi), and is overdue to pay the landlord Maniklal (Jagadish Harish Chaudhari). In spite of these problems, Arun tries to look on the bright side of every situation. As time goes by, Calendar reminds Arun that the cost of running the home continues to rise. Arun decides to rent out the room on the first floor. When he goes to the local newspaper to run an advertisement for the room, he meets Seema Soni (Mohini) and makes her his tenant. They get off to a rocky start but Seema eventually becomes friends with everyone.
One day, Arun receives a mysterious letter from a family friend, Dr. Sinha (Vipin Patil), who reveals that Arun's late father had created a device that would make its user invisible. With the directions in the letter, Arun, accompanied by his ward Jugal, enters his father's laboratory and finds the device. The device is in the shape of a gold watch worn on the wrist. When it is activated, it makes the wearer invisible to the naked eye. This invisibility is pervasive except for one flaw: when a red light is focused on the wearer, he becomes visible. Arun and Jugal decide to keep the device a secret between them. Seema goes to a lavish party hosted by Daaga (Deepak Chaudhri) and Teja (Nanda Kaur), where she performs a song under the guise of a Hawaiian dancer. She is nearly killed by the criminals after her disguise is spoiled, but Arun invisibly rescues her, styling himself "Mr. India". Thereafter, Seema falls in love with her rescuer, though not attracted to his civilian alter ego.
Mr. India later defeats Mogambo's men in several encounters, foiling their criminal plans. Mogambo's computer-aided intelligence teams reveal that Mr. India's specific actions against the gambling den bring benefit to Arun Verma. Mogambo has bombs disguised as toys, planted in places where children can find them. One of the bombs kills Arun's youngest and dearest charge, Tina, driving Arun to immense grief. Arun, Seema, Calendar, and the surviving children are brought before Mogambo. Mogambo tortures them so that they reveal Mr. India's true identity and the location of the invisibility device. Arun eventually admits to this when Mogambo threatens to drop two children into a pit of acid; but because Arun has dropped the device, he cannot become invisible to prove himself. Frustrated, Mogambo has them sent into the dungeons.
However, they are all able to escape. Mogambo activates four ICBMs, which are poised to destroy all of India. Arun confronts him, and the two fight. When Arun has overcome Mogambo, he deactivates the launch which culminates in the missiles detonating on the launch-pad. Arun, Seema, Calendar, and the children escape, while Mogambo's fortress is destroyed. Mogambo dies inside the big fireball caused by the explosion of the missiles on the launch pad.
Arun's dual identity remains a secret to most people, while he returns to his former life.
The film would create a weekly TV Serial on the STAR network from 1990-1994 in and two sequel films Mr. India versus the Red Queen (1992) and Mr. India versus the Legion of Death (1995). Mr. India would be seen as an 'everyman' hero combating government corruption, international spies and organized crime using intelligence instead of superpowers or technology except for his watch.
OOC: Names have been changed but the plot is the same. The sequels and TV serial is fictional.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._India_(1987_film)
Directed by Gopal Sachin Narang
Written by Abha Patil, Shrinivas Tamboli, Sudhir D'cruze
Produced by Deepika Chaudhary
Mr. India is a 1988 Hindi science -fiction film. It stars Sukhbir Chander Rao, Mohini and Roshan Kumar in the lead roles.
The film was one the highest-grossing Indian film of 1988, and remains a cult classic in India. The film was known for several of its lines and songs, including Mohini's Miss Hawa Hawaii performance, and Roshan's quote "Mogambo khush hua" (Mogambo is pleased), which is one of the most famous quotes of Bollywood and became synonymous with Kumar. The Mogambo character is also considered to be one of the best villains in film history. The music performed well too, especially the song Hawa Hawaii which is very popular till today. The film has often been featured in different lists of top films. Indiatimes Movies ranks the movie amongst the Top 25 Must See Films.
Synopsis
Mogambo (Roshan Kumar) is a brilliant yet insane General whose goal is to conquer India. From his island, he monitors the evil-doings perpetrated by his henchmen. All of his subordinates know the formal salute "Hail Mogambo!", emphasizing his complete authority over his minions.
Arun Verma (Sukhbir Rao) is an orphan and a street-walking violinist who rents a large, old house. There, he houses a dozen or so orphaned children and takes care of them with the help of his cook and caretaker Calendar (Nand Mhasalkar). Arun is poor, owes debts to the local food merchant Roopchand (Apurva Rajiv Joshi), and is overdue to pay the landlord Maniklal (Jagadish Harish Chaudhari). In spite of these problems, Arun tries to look on the bright side of every situation. As time goes by, Calendar reminds Arun that the cost of running the home continues to rise. Arun decides to rent out the room on the first floor. When he goes to the local newspaper to run an advertisement for the room, he meets Seema Soni (Mohini) and makes her his tenant. They get off to a rocky start but Seema eventually becomes friends with everyone.
One day, Arun receives a mysterious letter from a family friend, Dr. Sinha (Vipin Patil), who reveals that Arun's late father had created a device that would make its user invisible. With the directions in the letter, Arun, accompanied by his ward Jugal, enters his father's laboratory and finds the device. The device is in the shape of a gold watch worn on the wrist. When it is activated, it makes the wearer invisible to the naked eye. This invisibility is pervasive except for one flaw: when a red light is focused on the wearer, he becomes visible. Arun and Jugal decide to keep the device a secret between them. Seema goes to a lavish party hosted by Daaga (Deepak Chaudhri) and Teja (Nanda Kaur), where she performs a song under the guise of a Hawaiian dancer. She is nearly killed by the criminals after her disguise is spoiled, but Arun invisibly rescues her, styling himself "Mr. India". Thereafter, Seema falls in love with her rescuer, though not attracted to his civilian alter ego.
Mr. India later defeats Mogambo's men in several encounters, foiling their criminal plans. Mogambo's computer-aided intelligence teams reveal that Mr. India's specific actions against the gambling den bring benefit to Arun Verma. Mogambo has bombs disguised as toys, planted in places where children can find them. One of the bombs kills Arun's youngest and dearest charge, Tina, driving Arun to immense grief. Arun, Seema, Calendar, and the surviving children are brought before Mogambo. Mogambo tortures them so that they reveal Mr. India's true identity and the location of the invisibility device. Arun eventually admits to this when Mogambo threatens to drop two children into a pit of acid; but because Arun has dropped the device, he cannot become invisible to prove himself. Frustrated, Mogambo has them sent into the dungeons.
However, they are all able to escape. Mogambo activates four ICBMs, which are poised to destroy all of India. Arun confronts him, and the two fight. When Arun has overcome Mogambo, he deactivates the launch which culminates in the missiles detonating on the launch-pad. Arun, Seema, Calendar, and the children escape, while Mogambo's fortress is destroyed. Mogambo dies inside the big fireball caused by the explosion of the missiles on the launch pad.
Arun's dual identity remains a secret to most people, while he returns to his former life.
The film would create a weekly TV Serial on the STAR network from 1990-1994 in and two sequel films Mr. India versus the Red Queen (1992) and Mr. India versus the Legion of Death (1995). Mr. India would be seen as an 'everyman' hero combating government corruption, international spies and organized crime using intelligence instead of superpowers or technology except for his watch.
OOC: Names have been changed but the plot is the same. The sequels and TV serial is fictional.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._India_(1987_film)
There's no evidence that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance. That's a myth perpetuated by pharmaceutical companies and isn't taken seriously in psychiatry.
There are genetic factors, pointing towards a biological origin, but the causes and mechanisms of depression are unknown.
And just to underline this, it is sounding like Cruz had lost most of his support network, his adoptive mother died last November and his adoptive died several years ago, in the time running up to the shooting. I’m not sympathetic to what he did but it does make why he was falling into militia politics more understandable.
I can’t say I particularly like the sound of Comintern gun laws for a variety of reasons but at least they are better than the OTL USA. (Small bars and all)
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