Wait a minute.....no *rock and roll? Really? Even under a different name? If that's really 100% true, then how is that even really possible(let alone plausible)? I mean, sure, I can see it being called something else, or even having some different origins compared to OTL, but even in the 1860s the basic ingredients, as it were, were already there, just waiting to be assembled into something-so, really, it can't simply not form. Hopefully, MacG can offer some clarification on this issue.
The Union Forever: A TL
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Wait a minute.....no *rock and roll? Really? Even under a different name? If that's really 100% true, then how is that even really possible(let alone plausible)? I mean, sure, I can see it being called something else, or even having some different origins compared to OTL, but even in the 1860s the basic ingredients, as it were, were already there, just waiting to be assembled into something-so, really, it can't simply not form. Hopefully, MacG can offer some clarification on this issue.
Interesting; do you mean '50s rock & roll, like Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, etc.?
Yes, as a beginning that is good in itself.Interesting; do you mean '50s rock & roll, like Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, etc.?
Zaal! *shakes fist*
Hopefully nothing happens, although if some move like that is made, then it'll be egg on the face of the administration. Heck, if a lot of things go poorly, there might be another example of When America Slept, like there was back during the Great War. If they thought a world divided between Anglo-German-Russian domination was bad then, a similar one with Technocrats carving up countries for their own benefit.
And do you mean because they are not in the Americas? Both Liberia and Guinea are in the Western Hemisphere, if just on the continent of Africa. It would definitely make it an interesting trial case if that was the loophole exploited. If so... maybe Brazil may be asked for help sometime.
Liberia and Guinea (Bissau) would just sneak in there, as would Portugal, Ireland, Iceland, and Morocco (for ITTL states) in total. Several other countries have large portions of their homeland in the Western Hemisphere.
I'm not even sure it would be an alliance, more of an understanding of common interests and perhaps a feeling that Germany would not dominate Romania as much as Russia. (considering how successful Germany has been... no idea what it is). Romania likely has that large Hungarian and German population in the center of the country still, so that might be influencing the leaders to shift to Germany.
Serbia is the most culturally diverse of the remaining three (with Bosniaks, Albanians, Macedonians, Croats, and other minority groups) so they are in a similar predicament to Russia. Being more compact (and having Montenegro better integrated) they have the luxury of waiting out the war, although their historical tendencies and ethnic similarities will cause Serbia to lean towards even a smaller Russia. After all, Russia has been good to them.
Bulgaria is better off than Serbia (though how many Turks might there be?) so they might have an easier time staying the course. Both they and Serbia might have to undergo reforms (especially if the Reformers win in the IEF), but I presume they will come out fine. Germany won't try to break them up as it is; they don't need the southern side of the alliance bloc destabilized.
Greece... I can't say anything, as I don't remember much about the socialists there, or even whom they're ideologically aligned with.
But as it is, only one of the four small members of the Orthodox council has anything to gain by joining Germany's alliance bloc outright, so long as the war remains limited and the IEF comes out mostly intact. If things start to get heated and the IEF starts to fall apart, though, they might all jump ship.
If I recall correctly, most rock and roll variants in this timeline have been heavily influenced by the inclusion of many Latin American Elements (after all, Cuba et al became US territories in the 1870s), so the traditional rock and roll sound never became the mainstream variant. I would imagine that there is some small element of rock and roll that we would recognize, but it might be a type of counter culture.
...Although, would that mean that songs such as Ring of Fire would be the rule, not the exception?
Champion de la Musique sounds interesting. Could you provide a list of winners?
Also, since there is no Eurovision, Italy obviously has no Sanremo Music Festival, doesn't it?
Also, since there is no Eurovision, Italy obviously has no Sanremo Music Festival, doesn't it?
You do realise that you're literally asking for a list of invented names, right?
Unfortunately, he can't. He was born in 1892, way past the POD point of 1862, so he technically does not exist in TUF.
You can ask Mac Gregor if there is some fictional ancestor though.
Thothian
Banned
Just finished reading this all the way through in a couple of sittings yesterday and this morning. Well done, MacGregor.
One question: I don't understand the rule about nobody born after the POD exists in both OTL and TTL.
Is this just an author's choice to give you more creative freedom? I can understand some or even a great many of those people not being born, but all? Otherwise, no complaints.
One question: I don't understand the rule about nobody born after the POD exists in both OTL and TTL.
Is this just an author's choice to give you more creative freedom? I can understand some or even a great many of those people not being born, but all? Otherwise, no complaints.
Lost Freeway
Banned
Ship Class Profile
United States Navy Aircraft Carriers
USS Warrenton (CV-44) photographed leaving San Diego Naval Base in San Diego, California on July 16, 1999 for Fleet Problem 22 with the US East Pacific Fleet.
Eh, I think an OTL Essex or Midway class carrier would be a better representation of a carrier from the ATL 70s than a Forrestal-class supercarrier, seeing as how the development of the aircraft carrier went much slower than OTL.
Art: 20th Century American Music Genres
Interesting; do you mean '50s rock & roll, like Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, etc.?
Here is a quick run down on selected American twentieth century music genres.
20th Century American Music Genres
Delta: A guitar heavy music form named after the Mississippi Delta region where it developed. Originally performed almost exclusively by and for Black Americans over the 1920s delta became a national and later world phenomenon.
Ruckus: also known as jaleo, ruckus is fast-paced dance music from Cuba that blends Caribbean and North American instruments and styles. Ruckus became the music of choice for American dancehalls for much of the 1920s and 1930s.
Sawmill: derived from Appalachian folk music, sawmill often features fiddles and banjos. The genre gained prominence during the 1930s.
Groove: a type of music that combines elements from Delta, Ruckus, Sawmill, and Gospel. Originating in Atlanta, the genre’s popularity grew rapidly throughout the 1940s thanks to musicians such as Danny “Funky” Turpin.
Swag: A music form created in Panamanian nightclubs during the first half of the 20th century. Swag blends aspects of Ruckus and Groove music with elements from Panama’s distinctive French and Hispanic culture. Swag gained national attention in 1953 with the release of the album Street Lights by Arnold “Arnie” Arias and the Pumas.
Futuro: a music genre associated with electric guitars, synthesizers, and positive themes. Futuro germinated in New York and Havana music theatres during the late 1950s and burst onto the American music scene in 1961 with the debut of the Solitaires and their single "Electric Love."
NeoFolk: a revival of traditional American folk songs coinciding with the Civil War centennial that eventually branched out to create original titles.
Grind: a type of music developed in industrial cities in the American Northeast. It is characterized by a hard-edged sound and rebellious tone. Grind was made popular in the 1970s by bands such as Steelpusher and Barbed Wire.
Flim-Flam: a music genre originating in the Southeastern United States during the 1970s which uses a insistent recurring beat pattern and often concentrates of rural themes.
Metcrew: form of music usually featuring a piano, Spanish guitar, and drums. Made popular in the early 1980s by artists such as Heather Durand and the band The Plumbers. While metcrew songs cover a wide variety of topics, they are often noted for their wistful tone and sorrowful love ballads.
Underground: A decidedly urban music genre that makes heavy use of various percussion instruments.
I did indeed mean the Americas. I am embarrassed to say that I have always thought that the Western Hemisphere was basically synonymous with the Americas. I will change it.
I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.