Map Thread XII
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Explain USA lost South? New England STRONK!
I debated over it losing the south or not, but part of the point was to negate America's overall strength, so cutting it down as much as possible seemed logical. I don't really believe that New England seceding would prevent the divide between the north and south in the mid-century. Even if it wasn't over slavery, there is still a major cultural divide, and any sort of action by the government in Washington could set off a wide secessionist movement. In this world, they succeeded, although now both nations are corrupt, backwards false-democracies (except the north is probably better for persons of colour than the south anyway, being closer to Canada and New England, and therefore the greater commonwealth).
Britain began supporting an end to the slave trade somewhat earlier as a result of Nappy I's actions in Haiti. Anything to be opposed to the French, after all, since the Brits were booted out of the continent. (Although you may notice Portugal is not part of the European Federation. It meets all the credentials, but they're closer to the commonwealth than they are to Germany).
Interesting map, Emperor. I do have a few comments to make on it;
-Is that East African member of the Commonwealth actually majority-rule, or was it a South Africa-esque settler colony? I ask since that's probably the one other place on the continent where white people could move without worrying excessively about climate issues. I sure hope it's the former, though.
-What caused the three-way split in Australia between the different republics?
-Also, it appears being in the Commonwealth doesn't require accepting the Monarch as the Head of State, just the ceremonial Commonwealth leader. Is that about right, or am I missing something? Also, is the Commonwealth a military alliance as well, or mostly a political one?
-Also, I'm none too fond of some of your North America borders (mostly in terms of the North-South state split), but I enjoy that Canada expansion. Also, what's going on with Texas and Florida?
-Is that East African member of the Commonwealth actually majority-rule, or was it a South Africa-esque settler colony? I ask since that's probably the one other place on the continent where white people could move without worrying excessively about climate issues. I sure hope it's the former, though.
-What caused the three-way split in Australia between the different republics?
-Also, it appears being in the Commonwealth doesn't require accepting the Monarch as the Head of State, just the ceremonial Commonwealth leader. Is that about right, or am I missing something? Also, is the Commonwealth a military alliance as well, or mostly a political one?
-Also, I'm none too fond of some of your North America borders (mostly in terms of the North-South state split), but I enjoy that Canada expansion. Also, what's going on with Texas and Florida?
Ooh, fascinating! A couple of questions from me, too, tough.
1) The light grey countries (*Togo, Somalia and Madagascar) used to be German colonies, correct?
2) Is that Macedonian state stable or is it a multi-ethnic mess?
3) Why is Missiones independent?
4) What's the story behind those three colored Saharan states (not counting the obviously Wolof one)?
It was apartheid-esque, but it's currently majority-rule. Most of the whites are concentrated in the highlands and coastal regions, although the Zanzibar coast is pretty multi-ethnic (Arabs, whites, Africans, a lot of Asian immigrants).
Differences in cultures, mostly. The Swan River Republic (i.e. Western Australia) is pretty backwater and racially nasty, whereas the Republic of New Guinea is fairly well integrated with a large Asian population as well as the whites and natives. (South) Australia is more or less like OTL's Australia but without federalisation.
Mostly political, although the big members (Britain, Canada, South Africa, India, Malaya-Kalimantan, Australia and New Zealand) are also in a military alliance. The other smaller nations tend to be open to military activity from the bigger nations and can and do intervene in neighbouring countries when it's called for. As for your primary question, yes, the British monarch is the head of the commonwealth, but only head of state in a few nations.
Bugger. I worked hard on those borders. Texas rebelled but without US intervention it lost (I imagined it would coincide with the American Civil War ITTL). The Mexicans gave them autonomy in exchange for peace. Florida never joined the union, however it did lose its northern frontier.
Edit: As a point of interest, it's hard to tell due to the way I've depicted island nations as part of the Commonwealth, but the Bahamas are a Canadian province as well, and Bermuda a Canadian territory. Yay for Canadian holiday-homes!
How did Russia come to lose the Ukraine when it still has the Caucuses as autonomous members? (Not projecting from current events, is it?
It was a little bit of projection, I'll admit, but given the nature of butterflies I don't think it's impossible. The Caucasian states remained within the Russian Empire partly due to the collapse of the Shahdom and the general chaos of the Middle East in recent times. Russia didn't fight a war with the Ottomans either in the 20th Century, nor did it undergo any major revolutions. Ukraine left peacefully, although the eastern parts (and the Crimea) opted to remain as part of the Russian Empire. However, the Ukraine hasn't joined the European Federation because it's a convenient buffer (and the Germans and Russians are still relatively unfriendly). However, this Russia isn't ruled by Putin and is by no means a pariah state.
They are indeed. I try to keep Africa familiar yet different when I do maps. Southwest Africa, as such, was also a German colony, but they're tied so closely to South Africa and the Commonwealth's economy that they didn't need German supervision like the others did in order to function. Unlike the Commonwealth nations, the German Empire was decolonised in a real hurry, resulting in poorly-run nations prone to internal dissent, civil war, and economic woes. Germany moved back in in order to help stabilise the regions.
It's the Balkans. What do you think?
In all honesty, I pictured Macedonia forming partly out of a Greek civil war. ITTL, at some point or another, the Greeks annexed what we traditionally know as Macedonia, but the current Macedonia became a republic, splitting from the monarchial western or traditional Greece.That is the Republic of Parana. Argentina (Republic of La Plata) is not as strong ITTL. The Guarani in Parana rebelled with promise of Paraguayan backing, but Paraguay was more or less chomped by mega-Bolivia. Somehow the Paranans pulled through regardless. They have a lot of economic aid in recent years from Brazil and Uruguay.
Just a different divide of French West Africa. Rather than there being a Mauritania, Senegal was granted that coast, and a Tuareg state was created running west to east across the wastes. It's a pretty piss-poor nation, but there's little in the way of unrest at this time. As global warming worsens, expect that to change. The east is just Chad, although slightly further west due to the inclusion of the Libyan desert.
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1) Interesting, and good to see the Natives are the ones being well-represented in their own country (although I'd hope the minorities aren't shafted either, or railroaded like South Africa has seen at times AIUI). Zanzibar oughta be a helluva vacation/tourism spot if East Africa (or whatever it's named?) ends up at least somewhat First World, what with the interesting architecture, music, cuisine, etc. that such multiculturalism brings!
2) I honestly would've never expected Swan River to be the bigoted one of the bunch, but I'm pleasantly surprised that New Guinea is the more integrated of the two (it helps I generally like that part of the country, despite the nightmarish-at-times fauna). Does its title as a Kingdom mean that it has its own monarch in union with the British one, or do they simply adopt the title to reflect their Dominion-esque status and refer back to the King/Queen in the Home Country?
3) So sorta like a giant NATO in execution on behalf of the "big dogs"? Sounds about right to me, I'm sure their common military heritages can ease issues of logistics and terminology. Even the smaller nations I figure could benefit from membership if they are serious about it. And having the King/Queen as the Commonwealth head makes sense, even if it's even more symbolic than anything else.
4) If it makes you feel better, it's nothing personal against you or your work overall. I just REALLY don't like the "Northern VA/KY-Southron NC/TN" map trope at all (esp. if the latter includes bits of Missouri and Kansas), to the point where I've literally only seen exactly two timelines or concepts using it that I enjoy. Texas almost strikes me as an Anglo *Quebec analogue in relation to Mexico; do they have English protected as a language and their own local legal code? Also, I assume that Florida would be a more Caribbean place and/or a land where the Natives can call their own without Whitey scuffing their shoes on the metaphorical lawn? And having Canada getting some Caribe frontage = Win
.J'adore. That *Michigan, is it its own province, or is it part of *Ontario? How are the Metis, Inuit, and First Nations treated? What does the relationships between Canada and our North American neighbours look like, specifically with Mexico and Russia? Is there any appetite in Jamaica to join with Canada? Is Haiti any better off iTTL?
Any independent Northeast would tear itself apart within two weeks. Geordie (or any British member, probably) can back me up on this.
Is there a wall dividing West Cornwall from East Cornwall? The Cornwall wall wall wall..... how about just plain The Corn Wall?
I think what you are calling East Cornwall is actually Devon(shire?). I'm not a Brit, but I know people always think Cornwall is much bigger than it is.
Nah Mega Man should be dead by then, but X probably is
IIRC the original Mega Man series took place from 200X to 20XX, while Mega Man X was in 21XX.
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