i guess...im mostly brit myself so see where ya coming from, but i cant imagine that itd last for long in the wastes...especially once the stocks start falling...
it also depends on hit britain was and what area...wales would definatly go socilaist
Fallout UK: Any ideas?
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i guess...im mostly brit myself so see where ya coming from, but i cant imagine that itd last for long in the wastes...especially once the stocks start falling...
it also depends on hit britain was and what area...wales would definatly go socilaist
power armour was only american....and even then it was introduced very late into the whole pre great war timeline (i think only a year)
youd need a british/european equivilant, but its less likly to be as advanced or useful...and its very unlikly anyone in britain could afford them....witht he war in the mdidle east, th break up of the ec and huge power bills, not to mention americas isolationist, totaliterian stance towards everyone, and th fact everone hated them for the FEV scandal, itd be impossible to get hold of one
I would be more careful about using capitalist or socialist systems in Falloutverse. The Wasteland greatly regressed in terms of economics systems : not even talking about slavery, most of the settlements have adopted a mix between feudalism, collectivist storages and physiocratism.
Only the NCR so far have adopted sort of agrarian capitalism, close to XIX Middlewest USA, and it was possible only because of the relative stability of the republic and its expansion.
You have corporations too in NCR, that are again a mix between 80's capitalism and renaissance trade houses.
In Megaton you can find common house, fields seems to be common in old Shady Sands, etc. But it's likely more a form of common property that existed in Europe up to the XVIII, rather than socialism.
I'm aware of that, I said Power Armour because I couldn't think of another word. Also I don't think anythings wrong with only 50 suits of American armour in the whole of the UK. The US in OTL had bases in the UK during the Cold War I would assume it would do in the Fallout Universe, maybe suits were delivered to the bases and then after the war stolen and given to the Royal family or even suits given as a gift to the UK not to interfere during the invasion of Canada (although I'm well aware how unlikley that would be). A lot of possibilities.
1)Except the fact Ressources Wars happened and that almost every military or else alliance just exploded?
2)As UK was part of the European Commonwealth before it dissovled, i would think that rather unlikely in Falloutverse
3)At the time of invasion of Canada, UK was too busy searching oil in the Ressources Wars after the European-Middle east war to be a threat.
Krall
Banned
Yeah, I think most places would have something more akin to feudalism or a gift economy than conventional capitalism or socialism, though whoever's in power might pay lip service to one ideology or the other.
As for power armour, I don't think there'd be any American suits of power armour in the UK, but I could see the European Commonwealth developing some sort of military technology in Britain that the UK would seize upon the breakup of the Commonwealth. Maybe not power armour, but some sort of military technology (I don't know what, though, and I'm too tired to try and think of something at the moment).
All that makes me think about remake my FO : Italy and FO : France that i've made for P&P play.
I would like to see something like a Post-Apokalyptic-Hansa, maybe starting first as maritime trade over the channel (for example Calais to Dover) and later expanding on the French, Dutch and English coast, with little trading ports, pirates on oil plattforms...
(excuse me if this is nonsense, but i dont know much about fallout)
(excuse me if this is nonsense, but i dont know much about fallout)
Well, if you want, Fallout-vese is sort of a nuclear holocaust turning really wrong at the point we're talking here about the possibility of a regular, more human nuclear bombing.
Such cities recieved tens of missiles (by exemple New Vegas was attacked by 77 missiles, "only" 7 managed to strike the city), rain stopped to fall, almost all the land became a desert, except for radioactive wholes, and some highlands. Humanity regressed in number, in technology, etc.
Depending of the year, you can have nothing but small settlement (that at best have hundreds of inhabitants) or nation-like federations as the New California Republic.
For your idea, i think that transoceanic trade enough important to make a Hansa-like is out of question. People are trying to fulfill daily needs, with some sucess sometimes. However there is trading caravans, but on a more local scale (as by exemple, water traders in 2161 in southern California), or regional later. But it's mainly terrestrial trade, and the only exemple i've in mind about sea trade is an individual initiative (Point Lookout).
However, given where talking about Britons,you could have some little trade between regions thanks to sea and rivers. Why not reusing the same tradeway that carried blue stones from Wales to Stonehenge?
Probably a bit behind the times, but here's my thoughts on the things that've come up overnight:
Liverpool as a vassal/fiefdom of Lancashire makes sense, albeit a rather antsy one - if there's a neighbouring kingdom in Cheshire to play Lancashire off against for more autonomy, Liverpool will probably be doing it, as well as trying to gain influence along the Mersey valley and the North Wales coast. Also, I love Afwo's idea of brightly coloured uniforms for the city military.
Yorkshire - having the North as a vassal/vassals of Anglaland makes sense, although unless York itself is held by socialists/ghouls there might be some competition between them and Durham as to which is the 'proper' chief city-state. Maybe HREise South Yorkshire into a league of quarrelling workers' states that are almost as likely to fight each other as anyone else, and turn the East Riding into a dank post-industrial wasteland, with the Dales as a kind of hilly feudal region where there's a different ruler in every valley?
Cheshire - it doesn't appear Chester got nuked in the Great War; perhaps we have another insular settlement that rebuilds the walls, barricades itself inside and rebuilds itself on some kind of twisted Anglo-Roman ideal?
Also, there should well be some kind of gang or faction based on the Teddy Boys.
(Sorry, I'm rushing slightly; on my way out so don't have much time)
Liverpool as a vassal/fiefdom of Lancashire makes sense, albeit a rather antsy one - if there's a neighbouring kingdom in Cheshire to play Lancashire off against for more autonomy, Liverpool will probably be doing it, as well as trying to gain influence along the Mersey valley and the North Wales coast. Also, I love Afwo's idea of brightly coloured uniforms for the city military.
Yorkshire - having the North as a vassal/vassals of Anglaland makes sense, although unless York itself is held by socialists/ghouls there might be some competition between them and Durham as to which is the 'proper' chief city-state. Maybe HREise South Yorkshire into a league of quarrelling workers' states that are almost as likely to fight each other as anyone else, and turn the East Riding into a dank post-industrial wasteland, with the Dales as a kind of hilly feudal region where there's a different ruler in every valley?
Cheshire - it doesn't appear Chester got nuked in the Great War; perhaps we have another insular settlement that rebuilds the walls, barricades itself inside and rebuilds itself on some kind of twisted Anglo-Roman ideal?
Also, there should well be some kind of gang or faction based on the Teddy Boys.
(Sorry, I'm rushing slightly; on my way out so don't have much time)
The midlands in a huge damp wasteland. A huge lake, the impact crater of several bombs, where fallout and radioactive water collected. People gathered around here and were driven insane. They became a marauding tribe, raping and pillaging any vulnerable settlements. They are the wild hunt.
They breed mutated foxes called huntsmen, and have a capital citie that allows peole to visit called huntington.
3 cities lie between the tribals and relatively normal and bunker dotted north country, the savage tribals of Wales, and the coal mines of the radioactive city of manchester and the ruling kingdom of the depths.
The first is Lencon. A small trading post belonging to the established government.
The sencond is brimingham, the third is Nottingham.
They breed mutated foxes called huntsmen, and have a capital citie that allows peole to visit called huntington.
3 cities lie between the tribals and relatively normal and bunker dotted north country, the savage tribals of Wales, and the coal mines of the radioactive city of manchester and the ruling kingdom of the depths.
The first is Lencon. A small trading post belonging to the established government.
The sencond is brimingham, the third is Nottingham.
Fallout UK
After reading a few one of the ideas, I thought i might as add my worth to the pile. I have two TL's. TL 1: Fallout UK centres around London itself, where the normal, un-Ghoul population live underground in the many tunnels underneath the city of London. Under rule of the King George XIX, the general populace are not allowed to go to the surface due to fears of mutations and disease. Special teams such as the Household Cavalry and Blues and Royals are allowed to go to the surface to find technology and to deal with the large Ghoul population that haunt the ruins of London. TL 2: As the Great War was really between America and China, the rest of the world was spared the same level of destruction that flattened the US and China. That's not to say the rest of the world were untouched, nukes were launched at major cities and military bases but not at the same numbers. In the end, when the people of the British Isles came from out of the hidden bunkers underneath the cities, they found the world ruined but not entirely destroyed. They reclaim the land around them and re-start life, although on a level similar to before the industrial revolution. Two types of government: Kingdoms & Republics - all vary from incredibly liberal to absolute control (ironic twist is that Kingdoms are more liberal than Republics). I would post a picture, but it seems not to be letting me. I'll chalk it down to this being my first post.
After reading a few one of the ideas, I thought i might as add my worth to the pile. I have two TL's. TL 1: Fallout UK centres around London itself, where the normal, un-Ghoul population live underground in the many tunnels underneath the city of London. Under rule of the King George XIX, the general populace are not allowed to go to the surface due to fears of mutations and disease. Special teams such as the Household Cavalry and Blues and Royals are allowed to go to the surface to find technology and to deal with the large Ghoul population that haunt the ruins of London. TL 2: As the Great War was really between America and China, the rest of the world was spared the same level of destruction that flattened the US and China. That's not to say the rest of the world were untouched, nukes were launched at major cities and military bases but not at the same numbers. In the end, when the people of the British Isles came from out of the hidden bunkers underneath the cities, they found the world ruined but not entirely destroyed. They reclaim the land around them and re-start life, although on a level similar to before the industrial revolution. Two types of government: Kingdoms & Republics - all vary from incredibly liberal to absolute control (ironic twist is that Kingdoms are more liberal than Republics). I would post a picture, but it seems not to be letting me. I'll chalk it down to this being my first post.
Since Fallout is a blend of retrofuturism and rule of cool, I have a few Anglocentric ideas.
Liverpool-Chester low level war: Seeing as Chester will probably avoid atomic attack and is surrounded by farm land, I can see it scraping by as a city-state, quite conservative place. Meanwhile you have an obliterated Liverpool up river, and playing on stereotypes (I'm a Scouser, there's whopping grains of truth) you could have it as a centre of ghoul activity and something of a trouble spot/hell zone, say ghoul raiders constantly attacking down the Mersey for supplies and zealous Cheshirites battling them to cleanse the region, however never meeting with success due to the sheer size of the task.
'Royal Navy' pirates: This is less plausible due to the resource problem but I like the idea of Navy ships surviving the bombings due to being out at sea and being used to raid the coastal settlements for resources, however I can imagine by the time of collapse most European ships being atomic powered so its a possibility. So you have descendents of seamen, whole clans aboard ancient, rusting battleships.
Coalpunk Mining Communes: From what I can gather from the backstory, the war for oil ended abrutly and led to near instant collapse of a petrol powered society. In such a sudden fall, I doubt there'd be much time to switch to coal or nuclear power. The idea of T'socialist republic of Yorkshire is intriguing but I think it would happen on a smaller scale. Say with former mining towns, shadows of their former self, turning to the old mines for energy. I can imagine a collectivist bent and maybe even the old Unions forming a basis for an organised society. They could be very insular settlements, 'neutral' possibly supplying other settlements. If you want to push the culture/political clash idea, they could have a strained relationship with the rump Royalist/Civil Servant underground government, constantly shifting between trade and war.
Blackpool Nightmare: Oh the possibilities! An English New Vegas but so much more. I'm thinking a cross between Bioshock and Reeves & Mortimer in terms of tone, a dark, utterly ridiculous Northern nightmare. Pompous local self-appointed Town Council maintaining a veneer of normality while ghouls prowl the streets, battling against machine gun toting Council Workers. Government organised by a casino-parliament with bets on new laws, leading to ever crazier laws as people attempt to win that deluxe seaside property they've always wanted. Could make its wealth as an entreport from relatively stable Ireland (what with Liverpool acting as a bottleneck on the Mersey), acting as a black market for strange weapons, supplies, slaves etc. Not to mention the seedier side of Blackpool could be turned up to 11, wierd mutant sex shows gladitorial seaside events, hosted by fat, raspy Lancashire comedians. Hell why not have Bullseye but with live targets. AND mutated feral seaside donkeys.
Mods, Rockers, Skins and Punks: Nothing too orginal but obviously the youth gangs of the period would be a possible source of power in devastated cities. Maybe Brighton is a somewhat functioning city state, with Mods and Rockers battling like Italian family clans for control? Naturally due to the fuel problem they'd have to ride bicycles, with crushed coke cans in the spokes. Could have intergang jousts on bikes? Actually...
Camelot!: Abandoned Arthurian theme park becomes home to a Himmler-style nutter who thinks he's King Arthur and gathers his knights, regularly jousting. Basically imagine Don Quioxte got a following and wore riot gear. Also the obvious Python reference if horses/bicycles are scarse.
*Vaults: Though no British vaults were created there were plenty of long-term underground shelters created for local bureaucrats and security personnel. I like the idea of some Civil Servants and families hiding underground, realising the above ground situation probably won't improve and carrying on as if everything is normal in the bunker, until madness ensures. Yes Minister guest written by Franz Kafka and Rod Serling.
Liverpool-Chester low level war: Seeing as Chester will probably avoid atomic attack and is surrounded by farm land, I can see it scraping by as a city-state, quite conservative place. Meanwhile you have an obliterated Liverpool up river, and playing on stereotypes (I'm a Scouser, there's whopping grains of truth) you could have it as a centre of ghoul activity and something of a trouble spot/hell zone, say ghoul raiders constantly attacking down the Mersey for supplies and zealous Cheshirites battling them to cleanse the region, however never meeting with success due to the sheer size of the task.
'Royal Navy' pirates: This is less plausible due to the resource problem but I like the idea of Navy ships surviving the bombings due to being out at sea and being used to raid the coastal settlements for resources, however I can imagine by the time of collapse most European ships being atomic powered so its a possibility. So you have descendents of seamen, whole clans aboard ancient, rusting battleships.
Coalpunk Mining Communes: From what I can gather from the backstory, the war for oil ended abrutly and led to near instant collapse of a petrol powered society. In such a sudden fall, I doubt there'd be much time to switch to coal or nuclear power. The idea of T'socialist republic of Yorkshire is intriguing but I think it would happen on a smaller scale. Say with former mining towns, shadows of their former self, turning to the old mines for energy. I can imagine a collectivist bent and maybe even the old Unions forming a basis for an organised society. They could be very insular settlements, 'neutral' possibly supplying other settlements. If you want to push the culture/political clash idea, they could have a strained relationship with the rump Royalist/Civil Servant underground government, constantly shifting between trade and war.
Blackpool Nightmare: Oh the possibilities! An English New Vegas but so much more. I'm thinking a cross between Bioshock and Reeves & Mortimer in terms of tone, a dark, utterly ridiculous Northern nightmare. Pompous local self-appointed Town Council maintaining a veneer of normality while ghouls prowl the streets, battling against machine gun toting Council Workers. Government organised by a casino-parliament with bets on new laws, leading to ever crazier laws as people attempt to win that deluxe seaside property they've always wanted. Could make its wealth as an entreport from relatively stable Ireland (what with Liverpool acting as a bottleneck on the Mersey), acting as a black market for strange weapons, supplies, slaves etc. Not to mention the seedier side of Blackpool could be turned up to 11, wierd mutant sex shows gladitorial seaside events, hosted by fat, raspy Lancashire comedians. Hell why not have Bullseye but with live targets. AND mutated feral seaside donkeys.
Mods, Rockers, Skins and Punks: Nothing too orginal but obviously the youth gangs of the period would be a possible source of power in devastated cities. Maybe Brighton is a somewhat functioning city state, with Mods and Rockers battling like Italian family clans for control? Naturally due to the fuel problem they'd have to ride bicycles, with crushed coke cans in the spokes. Could have intergang jousts on bikes? Actually...
Camelot!: Abandoned Arthurian theme park becomes home to a Himmler-style nutter who thinks he's King Arthur and gathers his knights, regularly jousting. Basically imagine Don Quioxte got a following and wore riot gear. Also the obvious Python reference if horses/bicycles are scarse.
*Vaults: Though no British vaults were created there were plenty of long-term underground shelters created for local bureaucrats and security personnel. I like the idea of some Civil Servants and families hiding underground, realising the above ground situation probably won't improve and carrying on as if everything is normal in the bunker, until madness ensures. Yes Minister guest written by Franz Kafka and Rod Serling.
I only skimmed through the thread therefore apologies if I propose anything already proposed:
There could be a Stuart pretender trying to reestablish the rightful order with the help of scottish clansmen.
Another idea is a tribe of druids carefully growing trees and the like but prone to human sacrifies
And of course you need crazy, but very british people like an anarchistic avenger with Guy Fawkes mask or the tinkerer Q who constructs crazy artifacts.
There could be a Stuart pretender trying to reestablish the rightful order with the help of scottish clansmen.
Another idea is a tribe of druids carefully growing trees and the like but prone to human sacrifies
And of course you need crazy, but very british people like an anarchistic avenger with Guy Fawkes mask or the tinkerer Q who constructs crazy artifacts.
By all means. Quoting Waterworld would be fully in line with the Fallout series. Throw in some viking reference and insanity is perfect
Nottingham needs to have shout-outs to Warhammer 40K. As the home city of Games Workshop, I expect no less!
I don't imagine most Brits give a shit about 40k beyond it being someone for bearded types with too much financial irresponsibility.
No, what would probably fit more would be people living police boxes and Dalek-esque travel machines. Fallout is retro, after all!
I like the idea of london being filled with small communities, loosely unified at What was once the tower of london. The tower is mostly safe, though an extensive subterranean level in which biological weapons and experimental weapons.A vault was built there for military officials
It was established so they remains of the government, hiding in extensive town sized bunker in the scottish highlands, could easily come and seize control of london .
But when the atomic engine caught fire, everyone there was ghoulified, taking there treasures with them.
It was established so they remains of the government, hiding in extensive town sized bunker in the scottish highlands, could easily come and seize control of london .
But when the atomic engine caught fire, everyone there was ghoulified, taking there treasures with them.
John Farson
Banned
If this were an actual game, there would no doubt be a DLC that would take place on a certain island off the western coast of Scotland, ruled by an eccentric lord whose subjects worship the old gods...