Fallout UK: Any ideas?
- Thread starter Krall
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I thought of a great idea for a mutated animal:
The Haggis:
A big lump of mutated flesh and tumors, it has no ears, but has a lot of eyes and teeth, but not all in the same place (think teeth and eyes growing out of random sections of its body). Lives mostly in the mountain regions. Also highly agressive.
The Haggis:
A big lump of mutated flesh and tumors, it has no ears, but has a lot of eyes and teeth, but not all in the same place (think teeth and eyes growing out of random sections of its body). Lives mostly in the mountain regions. Also highly agressive.
KCammy
Banned
You get haggises already.
There are two main types of them;
A clockwise haggis, and an anti-clockwise haggis. See, the legs on one side of a haggis' body are shorter than those on the other so they can run about the hills effectively.
Krall
Banned
Hmm, nice idea, but I'm still not sure.
Once idea I had for Chester was that it was abandoned and uninhabited after the war, and was later occupied by Lancastrian military forces in order to defence their southern border against marauding Welsh tribes. The Lancastrian militia would then grow displeased with the lack of support and respect they get from the King, and so would declare their independence. They would then demand an annual tithe from the Lancastrians in return for their continued defence.
Wikipedia says people in Merseyside who do not speak with a Scouse accent are commonly referred to as "woolybacks" or "wools". Perhaps Scousers could initially be a group of raiding tribes operating out of the ruins of Liverpool, but the tribes would have an agreement not to raid one another, instead focusing on raiding "woolybacks". Later the tribes unite into something more akin to an organised state and prejudice against "woolybacks" becomes more radical and institutionalised. Eventually they come to dominate their local area, with "woolybacks" acting as slaves and serfs to a quasi-feudal nobility of Scousers? In this kind of situation Chester would be a city-state that was (and, perhaps, still is) raided regularly by Scousers, giving them a good reason to oppose them and talk about cleansing the region of their influence.
I actually rather like that! Perhaps a nuclear-powered helicopter carrier still survives and conducts highly organised raids on coastal settlements with craft similar to the Enclaves' Vertibirds? If the craft's nuclear reactor begins to break down and leaks radiation into the ship it could turn most of the crew into ghouls, giving rise to rumours of a Zombie Ghost Ship from Before the War!
I like the idea of old Labour Unions being the basis for post-apocalyptic organised society, but apart from that I'm happy with where t' Socialist Republic of Yorkshire is at the moment.
That's a pretty awesome concept! I'm not sure how a casino-parliament would work, though I can see people betting on what motions are passed and when.
That sounds pretty cool - it also means that Brighton wouldn't be a New Vegas-esque society like Blackpool, too.
I'm not so convinced about these ideas. They're good, but they're not really the kind of thing I can show on a map, especially if the *vault is underground and closed off from the rest of society.
I see the british vault attempts to be more government centered, but failing to be finished due to the economics of the pre-war period. So if on paper its 10 vaults they only managed to make five, or all ten but each vault is lesser in terms of capacity.
I would even go so far as to have some kind of agriculture ark which is filled with plants designed to withstand radiation. Maybe some kind of British FEV, but without the more radical mutations. Really just cause the UK as a desert does not work for me, and I see plants taking over much of the place, even if a nuke or ten dropped on the place.
I would even go so far as to have some kind of agriculture ark which is filled with plants designed to withstand radiation. Maybe some kind of British FEV, but without the more radical mutations. Really just cause the UK as a desert does not work for me, and I see plants taking over much of the place, even if a nuke or ten dropped on the place.
I don't know a lot about the game Fallout, but this article might help you see what a nuclear war in Britain would have been like. Most notably it talks about the government's secret bunker in Wiltshire (which is where Stonehenge is) and how the royal family would be evacuated to Canada.
Thande
Donor
Right, apologies for the delay in replying to this, but my internet literally broke as I was trying to reply to it several days ago, and it has only just been restored. I like lecturing about the UK in the fifties, you see.
Now the UK in the fifties was defined by a number of things. Firstly, everything was scarce; rationing continued after the war and my dad, born in 1952, still remembers some things being rationed in his lifetime. Secondly, that whole national-pulling-together attitude from the war was still around to some extent. When Labour nationalised most of the industries after 1945 they hit the national mood well. People had a relatively high opinion of the government, government-run services and national institutions. Remember George Orwell wrote 1984 in 1948 and was partly inspired by his worry that people were becoming too trusting of the government. It says a lot that the Conservatives, even under the arch anti-Socialist Churchill, accepted that they had to maintain these nationalised industries if they wanted to be elected. It is a strange thing that from 1951 to 1964--so in other words throughout almost all the fifties--the UK was run by the Conservatives, who won three bigger majorities at subsequent elections, something never seen before or since--yet the Conservatives run the country on a more left-wing economic position than Labour did in the Noughties. This was known as the socialist consensus or 'Butskellism'--because Labour Chancellor Hugh Gaitskell and Conservative Chancellor Rab Butler had had basically exactly the same economic policies. I think perhaps that the usual right and left economic positions broke down somewhat due to that whole 'national feeling' I mentioned left over from the war. People like Thatcher (who was already around at the time, remember) were cross that the Conservative leadership acted as though the left had won the debate about economics and that their role was simply to give way gracefully to socialism. Perhaps it can be argued that Thatcher's election in 1979 in part represents how the national feeling of the war had finally started to break down--younger people were around, the sixties had tarnished patriotism, punks, far right, and so on.
The fifties in the UK were also a very optimistic time as far as science, technology and international relations were concerned. Every boy's magazine contained detailed diagrams and statistics about the latest breakthroughs in marvellous new vehicles like helicopters and hovercraft, jet fighters, faster, better, and so on. It's the kind of attitude that programmes like Top Gear try to recapture now. It was a time when you see the stereotypical paleofuture predictions about how science will revolutionise our lives, while failing to realise that society would change (the housewife in her flying silver lemon etc).
In international relations, everyone was convinced that the United Nations were the best thing since sliced bread, conventional nationalism was considered thoroughly discredited by the war, and views on race and colonialism were at this weird halfway stage where (educated) people believed that non-whites had the same potential as whites, but required some stewardship in order to reach it. A lot of people had a fairly naive attitude towards the Eastern Bloc's intentions. Also it was easily the most enthusiastic period for European unity in the UK, so obviously that was the time when they wouldn't let us in thanks to de Gaulle's veto, as opposed to the other way around.
Because of the rationing and scarcity, and America's period of conspicuous consumption, America was idolised to a ridiculous degree by Britain in this time, and to some extent this has never gone away: if you ask a Briton to come up with a positive vision of America, it will be based on a stereotypical version of the fifties. In fact a lot of "American-themed" things in the UK today basically resemble Fallout itself without the apocalypse part--the fifties turned up to eleven. This would be the hard part for you to incorporate if you want to draw on this, because obviously it makes no sense for the UK to idolise America considering the dire straits America is in in the Fallout universe.
While the 'national feeling' aspect also doesn't translate well to Krall's patchwork of different states, perhaps it could be done as state control and intense patriotism within some of the states, such as the Wiltshire government he mentioned.
Does any of that make sense?
I agree with this. And the desert of the Fallout games is there because they're mostly set in the western US, so I think more hardier plants will certainly thrive and "primevalize" the European countryside, including Britain. You could exclude the direct blast sites though (but even there, life will take up new roots again in just a few decades). The less affected areas would certainly end up just like any other formerly inhabited area overrun by nature, even with radiation still being high. Radiation-sensitive species of plants and animals will be hit hard, though.
plus britian has a completly different weather pattern due to it being a island in the north atlantic, off the coast of europe, and right next to that underwater current thing
the islands are perfect for plants to thrive in
The lack of vegatation in much of the Fallout universe makes no sense. There are some places where, indeed, it would be desert. However, there are other places where everything green is far too scarce. In general, post apocalyptic fiction massively underestimates the amount of greenery. Which makes no sense to me, because anyone who has so much as mowed a lawn should know how much the stuff is always creeping in to cover everything if we don't maintain it.
I've seen excuses like "the radiation" but if humans are surviving, there is no reason grass shouldn't be. Also, I don't know the accuracy of the US stereotype of Britain being constantly dreary, but if it's even mildly accurate you'd see plant growth like you wouldn't believe.
Fallout =/= Scientifical Accuracy
Fallout = Mentale picture of how 50's people imagined post-atomic bombing.
Actually the desert picture is exactly was people saw in movies, on TV, etc.
Lots of Twilight Zones episodes about that, movies (americans but aslo europeans) show that.
Well, to be fair-er, Fallout 1 didn't have any vegetation at all except cultures of maize or mutant vegetables.
2 and New Vegas have trees, and even grass. It's "logical" (in the inner Fallout-verse coherence) that this savage vegetation make 200 years to fully adapt itself to radioactive desert.
Well, canon about Europe is very very small.
In fact we know this for sure
-UK was part of European Commonwhealth
-UK was able to export weapons
We know this for less sure (but it's from Sawyer, that is just below Avellone regarding canonicity)
-Royal Armored Corps was charged to defend EC before its dissolution