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| ==== PODs concerning different developments of agriculture ==== | ==== PODs concerning different developments of agriculture ==== |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=378461|What's your favorite prehistoric POD ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=378461|What's your favorite prehistoric POD ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=162164|Challenge: Agriculture appearing 10 000 years earlier than in OTL]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=162164|Challenge: Agriculture appearing 10 000 years earlier than in OTL]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=31248|No end to the last Ice Age]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263405|Other possible locations for the development of agriculture ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=31248|No end to the last Ice Age]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=375892|WI agricultural revolution takes place everywhere it feasibly can?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=11394|Earlier hay]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263405|Other possible locations for the development of agriculture ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=84094|For Want of A Yam]]** - Discussion on [[pods:Australia|Australian]] native plants that could have potentially become the basis of a native Australian agriculture (and later leads to the rise of agricultural civilizations on the continent). Started by [[offtopic:Jared]], this became the basis for his highly ambitious and increasingly famous project, //**[[timelines:Lands of Red and Gold]]**//. |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=91684|More aborigines/natives in Australia]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=375892|WI agricultural revolution takes place everywhere it feasibly can?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=240595|Discussion about alternate Polynesian agriculture (with more variety in crops) and its later adoption by Australian natives]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=154424|WI: The Younger Dryas didn't happen ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=11394|Earlier hay]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=80287|Discussion about historical diseases in Africa and their impact on indigenous agriculture]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=128684|Bug-eating Europe]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=84094|For Want of A Yam]]** - Discussion on [[pods:Australia|Australian]] native plants that could have potentially become the basis of a native Australian agriculture (and later leads to the rise of agricultural civilizations on the continent). Started by [[offtopic:Jared]], this became the basis for his highly ambitious and increasingly famous project, //**[[timelines:Lands of Red and Gold]]**//. | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=203271|Challenge: The first civilization is in Australia]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=277615|Early civilization around the Amu Darya and Syr Darya ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=91684|More aborigines/natives in Australia]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/bronze-age-alluvial-civilization-in-amu-darya-and-syr-darya.417992/|Bronze Age alluvial civilization in Amu Darya and Syr Darya]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=295558|WI: Heavy Plow developed in Classical Antiquity]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=240595|Discussion about alternate Polynesian agriculture (with more variety in crops) and its later adoption by Australian natives]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=106369|The Heavy Plough in the Roman Empire ? (1)]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-the-romans-had-invented-the-heavy-plough-and-the-printing-press.157692/|The Heavy Plough in the Roman Empire ? (2)]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=154424|WI: The Younger Dryas didn't happen ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=84751|Challenge: Agriculture spreads beyond American Southwest]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/could-the-mississippi-missouri-river-system-have-become-a-cradle-of-civilization.498002/|Could the Mississippi-Missouri river system have become a cradle of civilization ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=80287|Discussion about historical diseases in Africa and their impact on indigenous agriculture]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=275305|Why didn't civilization develop along the Mississippi ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=109893|Mexican Mound-builders, Mississippian Ziggurats]]** - POD discussion that became part of the basis of //**[[timelines:Mississippi Rice]]**// timeline. |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=128684|Bug-eating Europe]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=291171|WI: No Mississippian Culture implosion]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=207745|WI a more fertile Arabian peninsula ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=203271|Challenge: The first civilization is in Australia]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/cuisine-and-foods-of-japanese-korean-chinese-colonized-west-coast-of-north-america.394841/|Cuisine and foods of a Japanese/Korean/Chinese colonized west coast of North America ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=112726|The Long Little Ice Age: WI no Medieval Warm Period ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=277615|Early civilization around the Amu Darya and Syr Darya ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=75577|Farming Californian Natives]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-people-of-thunder.307876/|Agriculture and domestication among advancements in the Pacific Northwest cultures]]** |
| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/bronze-age-alluvial-civilization-in-amu-darya-and-syr-darya.417992/|Bronze Age alluvial civilization in Amu Darya and Syr Darya]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=322139|Challenge: Noodles as a staple food in India]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=144535|Ramifications of a sudden decline of the sugar cane industry after the 1740s]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=295558|WI: Heavy Plow developed in Classical Antiquity]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=274903|WI the North American drought of 1856-1865 had been averted ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252926|Wine production in a world where the Central Powers won World War One]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=106369|The Heavy Plough in the Roman Empire ? (1)]]** | * **[[pods:Irish Potato Famine]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=61215|Dead end domestications ?]]** |
| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-the-romans-had-invented-the-heavy-plough-and-the-printing-press.157692/|The Heavy Plough in the Roman Empire ? (2)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=241781|Cool potential domestications]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=286662|Challenge: Make rabbits a popular food animal]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=84751|Challenge: Agriculture spreads beyond American Southwest]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=294608|Plausibility check: Vertical farming - the future or merely fiction ?]]** |
| | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=275305|Why didn't civilization develop along the Mississippi ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=109893|Mexican Mound-builders, Mississippian Ziggurats]]** (POD discussion that became part of the basis of //**[[timelines:Mississipi Rice]]**// timeline) | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=291171|WI: No Mississippian Culture implosion]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=207745|WI a more fertile Arabian peninsula ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/cuisine-and-foods-of-japanese-korean-chinese-colonized-west-coast-of-north-america.394841/|Cuisine and foods of a Japanese/Korean/Chinese colonized west coast of North America ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=112726|The Long Little Ice Age: WI no Medieval Warm Period ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=75577|Farming Californian Natives]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=322139|Challenge: Noodles as a staple food in India]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=144535|Ramifications of a sudden decline of the sugar cane industry after the 1740s]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=274903|WI the North American drought of 1856-1865 had been averted ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252926|Wine production in a world where the Central Powers won World War One]]** | |
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| **[[pods:Irish Potato Famine]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=61215|Dead end domestications ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=241781|Cool potential domestications]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=286662|Challenge: Make rabbits a popular food animal]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=294608|Plausibility check: Vertical farming - the future or merely fiction ?]]** | |
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| Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | |
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| ==== PODs concerning ATL domesticated or domesticable crops ==== | ==== PODs concerning ATL domesticated or domesticable crops ==== |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=84094|For Want of A Yam]]** - Discussion on [[pods:australia|Australian]] native plants that could have potentially become the basis of a native Australian agriculture (and later leads to the rise of agricultural civilizations on the continent). Started by [[offtopic:Jared]], this became the basis for his highly ambitious and increasingly famous project, //**[[timelines:Lands of Red and Gold]]**//. | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=339116|Alternate plant domestications]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=84094|For Want of A Yam]]** - Discussion on [[pods:australia|Australian]] native plants that could have potentially become the basis of a native Australian agriculture (and later leads to the rise of agricultural civilizations on the continent). Started by [[offtopic:Jared]], this became the basis for his highly ambitious and increasingly famous project, //**[[timelines:Lands of Red and Gold]]**//. |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=339116|Alternate plant domestications]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/better-crops-for-australia.442989/|Better crops for Australia ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=251155|Questions regarding cereal grains]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=251155|Questions regarding cereal grains]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=343483|African rice domesticated in fourth millennium BC]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-water-lily-lotus-as-a-staple-crop.422684/|Plausibility check: Water lily/lotus as a staple crop]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=343483|African rice domesticated in fourth millennium BC]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=217183|WI: Domestication of the Apios Americana ("Indian Potato")]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252431|Henges and potatoes (another alternate crop discussion)]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=217183|WI: Domestication of the Apios Americana ("Indian Potato")]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/potato-all-over-the-americas.420270/|Potato all over the Americas]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-potato-reaches-mesoamerica.494408/|WI: Potato reaches Mesoamerica]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252431|Henges and potatoes (another alternate crop discussion)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=278095|WI: Pacific Islanders introduce New World Crops to Old World]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258247|Culinary WI: John Gerard doesn't discourage people from growing tomatoes for food]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=278095|WI: Pacific Islanders introduce New World Crops to Old World]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-john-rolfe-never-brought-bermuda-tobacco-to-jamestown.434573/|WI John Rolfe never brought Bermuda tobacco to Jamestown?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=224355|WI tobacco never became popular]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258247|Culinary WI: John Gerard doesn't discourage people from growing tomatoes for food]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=187741|Different crops and the viability of slavery]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=51075|WI: Mate as popular as coffee]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=224355|WI tobacco never became popular]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=40032|What about the potato]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=169733|How to spread the potato]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=187741|Different crops and the viability of slavery]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=161418|Plausibility check: Post Hunting-Foraging "Khoisan" people]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=255620|Discussion about alternate cultures that could take the concept of domestication to whole new levels of complexity]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=51075|WI: Mate as popular as coffee]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=222422|Earlier, more widespread and more sophisticated mushroom farming]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263641|American Bamboo]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=40032|What about the potato]]** | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=169733|How to spread the potato]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=161418|Plausibility check : Post Hunting-Foraging "Khoisan" people]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=255620|Discussion about alternate cultures that could take the concept of domestication to whole new levels of complexity]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=222422|Earlier, more widespread and more sophisticated mushroom farming]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263641|American Bamboo]]** | |
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| Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | |
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| === a.) In general === | === a.) In general === |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=133255|Alternate domestic animals]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=133255|Alternate domestic animals]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/more-domesticated-animals.478779/|More domesticated animals]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=201632|Next animal(s) to be domesticated ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=201632|Next animal(s) to be domesticated ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=191549|WI: Widespread animal slavery ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=191549|WI: Widespread animal slavery ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=192137|Boost for animal domestications with a POD around 3000 BC]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=135866|Plausibility check: Domesticated animals and disease]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=192137|Boost for animal domestications with a POD around 3000 BC]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-old-world-crops-and-livestock-could-have-done-new-world-civilization-the-most-good.443721/|What Old World crops and livestock could have done New World civilization the most good ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/which-animal-has-done-more-for-humanity-the-horse-or-the-dog.460170/page-2#post-18961485|Which animal has done more historically for humanity, horses or dogs ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=135866|Plausibility check: Domesticated animals and disease]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/miniaturization-leads-to-domestication.245506/|Plausibility check: Miniaturization leading to domestication]]** |
| | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=617|Alternate pets]]** |
| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-old-world-crops-and-livestock-could-have-done-new-world-civilization-the-most-good.443721/|What Old World crops and livestock could have done New World civilization the most good ?]]** | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/miniaturization-leads-to-domestication.245506/|Plausibility check: Miniaturization leading to domestication]]** | |
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| **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=617|Alternate pets]]** | |
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| Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | |
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| === b.) By continent === | === b.) By continent === |
| ==Africa== | ==Africa== |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258124|Potential African domestications ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258124|Potential African domestications ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=160971|Tsetse Fly dies out]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=76362|A nomads-on-horseback civilisation in Africa ?]]** |
| | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=160971|Tsetse Fly dies out]]** | == Asia == |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=76362|A nomads-on-horseback civilisation in Africa ?]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/sheep-pastoralism-in-japan-and-korea.506503/|Sheep pastoralism in Japan and Korea]]** |
| | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
| Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | |
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| ==The Americas== | ==The Americas== |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=216033|Discussion on different evolution or possible domestication of North American megafauna]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=216033|Discussion on different evolution or possible domestication of North American megafauna]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=151943|Native American animal domestication]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-wi-domestication-of-american-species.241745/|Plausibility check: Domestication of American species]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=338806|Plausibility check: Large domestic animals in the Americas ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=354499|Could domestic animals have saved the American peoples from devastation ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-native-americans-domesticated-beasts-of-burden.441545/|What if Native Americans domesticated beasts Of burden ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/bring-out-the-guinea-pigs.144641/|Challenge: Guinea pigs (cavis) still raised primarily as food animals]]** |
| | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=151943|Native American animal domestication]]** | == Australia == |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-wi-domestication-of-american-species.241745/|Plausibility check: Domestication of American species]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=270716|Australian marsupials that could have evolved into domesticable horse-like animals ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/australian-plains-aborigines.430688/|Earlier horse import into Australia and Australian "Plains Aborigines"]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=338806|Plausibility check: Large domestic animals in the Americas ?]]** | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=354499|Could domestic animals have saved the American peoples from devastation ?]]** | |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-native-americans-domesticated-beasts-of-burden.441545/|What if Native Americans domesticated beasts Of burden ?]]** | |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/bring-out-the-guinea-pigs.144641/|Challenge: Guinea pigs (cavis) still raised primarily as food animals]]** | |
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| Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | |
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| === c.) Alternate livestock === | === c.) Alternate livestock === |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=175723|Challenge: Tame the American Bison]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=175723|Challenge: Tame the American Bison]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266561|WI the American Bison was domesticated ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266561|WI the American Bison was domesticated ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=2340|Native American domestication of the buffalo (American Bison) ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-plains-indians-had-sheep-in-addition-to-horses.417844/|WI Plains Indians had sheep in addition to horses ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=2340|Native American domestication of the buffalo (American Bison) ?]]** | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-plains-indians-had-sheep-in-addition-to-horses.417844/|WI Plains Indians had sheep in addition to horses ?]]** | |
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| === d.) Alternate horse and camelid domestications and developments === | === d.) Alternate horse and camelid domestications and developments === |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=164592|If there were no horses (1)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=164592|If there were no horses (1)]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24332|If there were no horses (2)]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24332|If there were no horses (2)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=268840|If there were no horses (3)]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/prehistoric-wi-eurasian-steppe-horses-hunted-to-extinction-instead-of-domesticated.410092/|Prehistoric WI Eurasian steppe horses hunted to extinction instead of domesticated ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=268840|If there were no horses (3)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=106030|WI all horses were as small as ponies ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=30587|Plausibility check: Rideable horses preceeding the rise of agriculture]]** |
| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/prehistoric-wi-eurasian-steppe-horses-hunted-to-extinction-instead-of-domesticated.410092/|Prehistoric WI Eurasian steppe horses hunted to extinction instead of domesticated ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=3209|Horses untamable: No cavalry]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=110180|DBWI: Horse cavalry]]** - Though a more [[alternate_history:double_blind_what_if|humourous POD discussion]], it is interesting to ponder how different would humanity be if horses and mules were not domesticable for riding. |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=106030|WI all horses were as small as ponies ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24333|DBWI: Horses]]** - Another thread in a vein similar to the above one, with horses never being domesticated by humans. |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=151084|Alternate horses]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=30587|Plausibility check: Rideable horses preceeding the rise of agriculture]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24533|Horses surviving in America (1)]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=35542|Horses surviving in America (2)]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=3209|Horses untamable: No cavalry]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=126785|Horses surviving in America (3)]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=33292|Horses surviving in America (4)]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=110180|DBWI: Horse cavalry]]** - Though a more [[alternate_history:double_blind_what_if|humourous POD discussion]], it is interesting to ponder how different would humanity be if horses and mules were not domesticable for riding. | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266253|Horses surviving in America (5)]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86939|Horses or camels surviving in America]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24333|DBWI: Horses]]** - Another thread in a vein similar to the above one, with horses never being domesticated by humans. | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=39931|Plausibility check: Amerind ancestors learn to tame American horse species]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=220380|Snow camels]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=151084|Alternate horses]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113607|Camels in Europe ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=42324|Giant camels survive in the Middle East]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24533|Horses surviving in America (1)]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/western-american-camel.75095/|Clovis culture not hunting Western (American) Camel, possible domestication ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244110|Llama cavalry ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=35542|Horses surviving in America (2)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=280479|Llama survives in Mexico post-Pleistocene]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/llama-herding-in-north-america.514054/|Llama herding in North America]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=126785|Horses surviving in America (3)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=137562|Alternate stirrup developments ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86780|WI: Norse brought horses to America]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=33292|Horses surviving in America (4)]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=20026|All horses die in 1200 AD]]** |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266253|Horses surviving in America (5)]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86939|Horses or camels surviving in America]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=39931|Plausibility check: Amerind ancestors learn to tame American horse species]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=220380|Snow camels]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113607|Camels in Europe ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=42324|Giant camels survive in the Middle East]]** | |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/western-american-camel.75095/|Clovis culture not hunting Western (American) Camel, possible domestication ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244110|Llama cavalry ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=280479|Llama survives in Mexico post-Pleistocene]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=137562|Alternate stirrup developments ?]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86780|WI: Norse brought horses to America]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=20026|All horses die in 1200 AD]]** | |
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| === e.) Alternate cavalry animals and beasts of burden === | === e.) Alternate cavalry animals and beasts of burden === |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=110117|How about Mammoth cavalry ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=110117|How about Mammoth cavalry ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=34191|Plausibility check: Elephant "APCs" ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=34191|Plausibility check: Elephant "APCs" ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=353706|WI: Native Africans Domesticated Elephants]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/war-rhinoceroses.276970/|War Rhinoceroses ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=353706|WI: Native Africans Domesticated Elephants]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=270716|Australian marsupials that could have evolved into domesticable horse-like animals ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=67997|War goats ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/war-rhinoceroses.276970/|War Rhinoceroses ?]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-native-americans-domesticated-beasts-of-burden.441545/|What if Native Americans domesticated beasts Of burden ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/reindeer-caribou-sled-vs-dog-sled.421581/|Reindeer/caribou sled vs dog sled ?]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=270716|Australian marsupials that could have evolved into domesticable horse-like animals ?]]** | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/how-would-the-wheel-change-the-americas.181617/|How would the wheel change the Americas ?]]** |
| | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=67997|War goats ?]]** | |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-native-americans-domesticated-beasts-of-burden.441545/|What if Native Americans domesticated beasts Of burden ?]]** | |
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| **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/how-would-the-wheel-change-the-americas.181617/|How would the wheel change the Americas ?]]** | |
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| === f.) Domestication of reptiles and predators === | === f.) Domestication of reptiles and predators === |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=256129|Domesticated crocodiles or alligators ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=256129|Domesticated crocodiles or alligators ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=227479|WI: Humans domesticate tigers, lions, bears]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=227479|WI: Humans domesticate tigers, lions, bears]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=305682|Domestication of bears ?]]** |
| | * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/inca-domesticate-andean-bear.498416/|Inca Domesticate Andean Bear]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=305682|Domestication of bears ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113482|Bear cavalry ?]]** |
| | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=302883|Velociraptors survive and fill the role of domesticated dogs]]** |
| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113482|Bear cavalry ?]]** | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=135025|Hunting birds of prey trained for combat ?]]** |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=302883|Velociraptors survive and fill the role of domesticated dogs]]** | |
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| **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=135025|Hunting birds of prey trained for combat ?]]** | |
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