You Get What You Give- An End of History Timeline
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Interesting. On one hand, I hope Mario Cuomo wins...but on the other hand, I fear you have some dastardly fate planned for him, which makes me hope he doesn't get elected.
I shudder to think what the butterflies do to Bobby Jindal's career in this TL. But then again, butterflies being what they are, the White House is quite possible! Right?
Secretary of Labor Bernie Sanders?
Wow, is the anti-duke backlash going to lead to a more leftist congress as well, or is their going to be a lot of head butting between a (comparably) radical White House and a moderate congress?
Wow, is the anti-duke backlash going to lead to a more leftist congress as well, or is their going to be a lot of head butting between a (comparably) radical White House and a moderate congress?
Him, so I skip my daily update, and everyone forgets about this TL?
Well, not ready to put up the Perot update, but just a quick question: anything between November 1991 and December not having to do with the Presidential election that I should address?
International reactions to Duke's election?
Yeah, Ross Perot would've been a great president. Even though we disagree on some issues, if he'd ever gotten around to forming a party, I definitely would've joined it. I probably would've had an easier time getting in Congress then doing it the way I did do it!
-Representative L. Neil Smith (Libertarian-NV) in a Time magazine interview, 2001
Excerpt from A Giant Sucking Sound: The Ross Perot Story:
"...he had fallen from polling 40% in June to 20% in mid-July. All the reasons have been stated: his gaffes looked bad, his advisers were frustrated because he wasn't listening to their advice, and the whole novelty of the third-party guy started to lose it's luster when people realized Perot wasn't really being specific on most issues.
He came very, very close to dropping out of the race in that time. His staff had convinced him he needed to have a career politician on the ticket to balance out his folksiness. Stockdale had always been a placeholder until someone else came along, and the Vice Admiral knew that, so it wasn't an issue. Perot really wanted Jerry Brown on the ticket, but the former Governor, after specifically telling him it had been a close decision, decided to decline the offer. Ross needed someone with national stature. On August 2, he got one.
Former Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas made sense for a variety of reasons. While socially liberal, he was more economically conservative than most Democrats, especially the New England liberals. And as Perot was being labelled a spoiler for the Republicans, putting Tsongas on made Cuomo have to fight in the Northeast when he ordinarily wouldn't have to. And best of all, it worked. Poll numbers went back up, and after the Republican National Convention much of New England was being called as a Perot lock already, and this was before the debates.
I really, really wish there could have been something there."
-by former Brian Moore, former Congressmen from Florida, 2008
-Representative L. Neil Smith (Libertarian-NV) in a Time magazine interview, 2001
Excerpt from A Giant Sucking Sound: The Ross Perot Story:
"...he had fallen from polling 40% in June to 20% in mid-July. All the reasons have been stated: his gaffes looked bad, his advisers were frustrated because he wasn't listening to their advice, and the whole novelty of the third-party guy started to lose it's luster when people realized Perot wasn't really being specific on most issues.
He came very, very close to dropping out of the race in that time. His staff had convinced him he needed to have a career politician on the ticket to balance out his folksiness. Stockdale had always been a placeholder until someone else came along, and the Vice Admiral knew that, so it wasn't an issue. Perot really wanted Jerry Brown on the ticket, but the former Governor, after specifically telling him it had been a close decision, decided to decline the offer. Ross needed someone with national stature. On August 2, he got one.
Former Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas made sense for a variety of reasons. While socially liberal, he was more economically conservative than most Democrats, especially the New England liberals. And as Perot was being labelled a spoiler for the Republicans, putting Tsongas on made Cuomo have to fight in the Northeast when he ordinarily wouldn't have to. And best of all, it worked. Poll numbers went back up, and after the Republican National Convention much of New England was being called as a Perot lock already, and this was before the debates.
I really, really wish there could have been something there."
-by former Brian Moore, former Congressmen from Florida, 2008
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A Libertarian congressman?
And Brian Moore? As in the 2008 Socialist Party USA Presidential Nominee IOTL?
Fascinating.
And Brian Moore? As in the 2008 Socialist Party USA Presidential Nominee IOTL?
Fascinating.
It's more in the mold that, if in OTL we have one Ron Paul and one Bernie Sanders, ITTL we will have two or three or four of each. I'll let you guys guess on the other possibilities.
John Fredrick Parker
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Prediction -- the next President (to be inaugurated) will be either Cuomo (elected President) or Tsongas (elected VP, then Perot gets killed or something). I'm leaning to the later, since he'd be likely to die before the next election, so you know there's potential for mischief there.
I just found this through the Giant Sucking Sound TL and am interested in seeing where you go with it. I'm certainly a fan of plausible dystopias and as a child of the 90's (i.e. remember the entire decade but couldn't vote during it) am interested in seeing what you do with my formative years.
The 1992 Presidential Election
In the months after the Republican National Convention, polls showed Cuomo, Bush, and Perot neck-and-neck, each with around a third of the vote. Perot never managed to get back to his high of 42% from the summer, and beyond New England, the announcement of Tsongas as his running mate did not effect the polls significantly. Several gaffes would come back to haunt the "temperamental tycoon", including one where he referred to a room full of African-Americans as "you people".
Bush's convention bump was somewhat negated by the nature of the convention, which some described as bigoted. Bush had to walk a difficult tightrope, trying not to alienate either the moderates, who could vote for Perot, or the conservatives, who could sit out the election, and to this credit he did fairly well.
Cuomo energized the liberal base of the Democratic Party like no one since McGovern, with the difference being he had an actual shot at winning. However, Clinton's spot on the ticket did not bring in as many Southerners as the Democrats would have hoped, though Cuomo would win Arkansas because of Clinton and Louisiana due to backlash against Duke, Cuomo managed to alienate not only conservatives, but some moderates.
Indeed, in the months leading up to the election, a massive smear campaign was started by Pat Buchanan, trying to paint Cuomo as a socialist. Citing the New Yorker's support for gun control and universal healthcare, some conservatives were especially motivated to work against the Democrats. Alan Keyes narrowly won a House seat from Maryland with Buchanan's help and massive funding from the national GOP, and would become the darling of the right in the years after the election.
Out west,this pattern took an ominous turn. Though Perot would do especially well in the region, right-wing propaganda was heavily circulated, painting Cuomo as a pawn of the "New World Order". This helped the campaign of one Bo Gritz, running for the Populist Party (which David Duke had run on in 1988). He was a heavily-decorated veteran, but also a conspiracy theorist and survivalist. Gritz would stun the nation by winning nearly 2% of the popular vote, including nearly 8% in his home state of Utah. The nascent militia movement got quite a boost from all of this...
The debates were exciting, but little was accomplished: the three major candidates were so different from each other that few converts were won, even if Perot got the best lines, including comparing the noise made by American jobs going to Mexico as "a giant sucking sound", which would be a rallying cry for many of his supporters.
On November 3, 1992, Americans voted on who the next President should be:
George Bush/Dick Cheney (R)(inc): 153 electoral votes
Mario Cuomo/Bill Clinton (D): 353 electoral votes
Ross Perot/Paul Tsongas (I): 32 electoral votes
Mario Cuomo will be the next President of the United States of America.
In the months after the Republican National Convention, polls showed Cuomo, Bush, and Perot neck-and-neck, each with around a third of the vote. Perot never managed to get back to his high of 42% from the summer, and beyond New England, the announcement of Tsongas as his running mate did not effect the polls significantly. Several gaffes would come back to haunt the "temperamental tycoon", including one where he referred to a room full of African-Americans as "you people".
Bush's convention bump was somewhat negated by the nature of the convention, which some described as bigoted. Bush had to walk a difficult tightrope, trying not to alienate either the moderates, who could vote for Perot, or the conservatives, who could sit out the election, and to this credit he did fairly well.
Cuomo energized the liberal base of the Democratic Party like no one since McGovern, with the difference being he had an actual shot at winning. However, Clinton's spot on the ticket did not bring in as many Southerners as the Democrats would have hoped, though Cuomo would win Arkansas because of Clinton and Louisiana due to backlash against Duke, Cuomo managed to alienate not only conservatives, but some moderates.
Indeed, in the months leading up to the election, a massive smear campaign was started by Pat Buchanan, trying to paint Cuomo as a socialist. Citing the New Yorker's support for gun control and universal healthcare, some conservatives were especially motivated to work against the Democrats. Alan Keyes narrowly won a House seat from Maryland with Buchanan's help and massive funding from the national GOP, and would become the darling of the right in the years after the election.
Out west,this pattern took an ominous turn. Though Perot would do especially well in the region, right-wing propaganda was heavily circulated, painting Cuomo as a pawn of the "New World Order". This helped the campaign of one Bo Gritz, running for the Populist Party (which David Duke had run on in 1988). He was a heavily-decorated veteran, but also a conspiracy theorist and survivalist. Gritz would stun the nation by winning nearly 2% of the popular vote, including nearly 8% in his home state of Utah. The nascent militia movement got quite a boost from all of this...
The debates were exciting, but little was accomplished: the three major candidates were so different from each other that few converts were won, even if Perot got the best lines, including comparing the noise made by American jobs going to Mexico as "a giant sucking sound", which would be a rallying cry for many of his supporters.
On November 3, 1992, Americans voted on who the next President should be:
George Bush/Dick Cheney (R)(inc): 153 electoral votes
Mario Cuomo/Bill Clinton (D): 353 electoral votes
Ross Perot/Paul Tsongas (I): 32 electoral votes
Mario Cuomo will be the next President of the United States of America.
Yay! Cuomo! Now let's see what you do to him. The lines about the militia movement getting a boost are not encouraging.