X2 (Every Colour Scheme Ever Colour Scheme) Colour Scheme

This is what I am thinking of doing for the minor OTL countries, rather than removing them entirely.

Edit: Obvious typo is obvious. The first row should refer to the Leeward Islands. The second row correctly refers to the Windward Islands. The last row should refer to the Leeward Antilles. Collectively, the Windward Islands, Leeward Islands, and Leeward Antilles form the Lesser Antilles. Confused yet? You will be.

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For Guyana and Belize I would leave unless some voices a specific complaint, some colors are going to have to be similar to each other in a scheme so large.

Fair enough. I'll leave them unless someone complains.

As for minor countries part of me wants to saw "never give up, never surrender!" and leave all the minor countries. However, realistically some should probably be cut. I would, of course, leave any that do have their own color in another scheme. I would cut some of the decolonial constructs such as the individual colors for the Cook Island, Anguilla, Aruba, etc.

Unless there's a strong outcry, I'm probably going to compact some of these minor polities, as per my previous post.

Off the top of my head, the only entities I can think of would be the Island of Mann, a colour for a unified non-Anglo-Saxon UK, a separate color for different German entities, such as the North German Confederation or a Romance Germany, Communist France or a Blanquist state, I'm sure there are more native nations to add but I'm not familiar enough with them to be able to suggest examples.

Perhaps it's a failure of imagination, but I can't see an Isle of Mann being a significant nation with "overseas" territory, and not having most of its economic productivity (and shortly after, capital) overseas, at which point it's not really an isle of Mann nation any more. Note that the polities I choose to give colours for in England correspond to the Anglo-Saxon heptarchy.

I already had Wessex doubling for a pre-Norman UK, but I've also added Wales to double for a pre-Saxon UK. I've added a note for Prussia to indicate that colour doubles for the North German Confederation.

I've added a note for communist China that it can substitute as "secondary/Asian communist state", and communist Iberia can substitute as "tertiary/European communist state". I figure if you've got more communist states than that (and note that Japan and Germany also have "communist" substitute colours), you're at the point where ASBs are straining the limits of any standard template colour scheme.

I tend to see communism (and other radical ideologies) as something that should really be noted in the story attached to a map; a map by itself is a wasted piece of potential fiction writing. So while a few countries do have variant colours for radical politics, these are mostly intended to be available to depict civil wars and divided nations rather than to potentially have extra colours for every possible permutation of country + ideology.

Wallonia should keep the colour of Belgium. The reasoning, the French speaking Netherlanders are commonly scene as the major cause of the Belgian Revolution, ergo the French speaking region keeps the colour.

I'm not sure there's a good answer to the Belgian question at this stage :confused:

For Hungry, Malaysia, and Burkina Faso see the comment on Guyana and Belize.

Fair enough.

For Greece a colour for Mycenae for any really early timelines might be nice, the only other I can think of would possibly be Corinth. Separating Athens and the Byzantine I think would be a good idea. Lastly, I would as a note about using an outline of existing colours for things such as the Delian league and Peloponnesian league.

I have no problem at all with assigning Bronze Age Athens and the Byzantine Empire to the same colour, as they are separated in time by a considerable margin, and both are considered to be primary Greek state of their day.

As I understand it, the Peloponnesian league was built around Sparta, and the Delian league around Athens, each of which already has its own colour. Using these as an outline is indeed my preferred method for showing such alliances (such is also done for the EU). Similarly, the Corinthian League was built around Macedon. But yeah --- I probably need to read up a bit more on this area.

For South Africa I would say defiantly separate Zulu and Lesotho, a separate colour for Xhosa sound good to me.

Xhosa and Zulu colours coming up soon!

As for Japan see comments on Hungry, Malaysia, Burkina Faso, Guyana, and Belize.

Fair point. Still keeping options open though. In a test, I've found I can bring the Japan colour down to (235,235,0) and still have it look essentially "yellow" to my rubbish eyesight. But even that small change makes it noticeably easier to see the difference between that and the paler shade. Ethiopia and Celtiberia have similar issues, but because they haven't ever OTL (to my knowledge) had protectorates, the problem isn't so acute for them.

As side note something I would do is combined the religion colours to the country whose colour they share so that they are still there but you don't need the separate category. Also I think a good idea would be do the same thing with governmental systems, such as representative democracy, constitutional monarchy, absolute monarchy, elective theocracy etc.

If I merge religions into the main body of the descriptions, it would require widening that column. This would significantly increase the overall file size (which is a function of width x height). There's also the issue that it reinforces an association between a particular religion (or denomination) and secular state. While this is in some cases non-controversial (the Vatican is Catholic, right?), in others, it creates potentially awkward associations that I'd rather not flag up for attention (Iraq/Mesopotamia as the home of unified Abrahamic religion? Orwell's Eastasia as the home of Confucianism? The U.N. as the home of humanism?).

Making specific connections between a country and form of government is even more awkward. What country can sincerely claim to be the ne plus ultra of democracy? Better to avoid that controversy altogether. I might at some future date make a colour scheme for it, but it would not intentionally re-use any 'national' colour for such a colour scheme.

I missed a colour for a unified and for a Communist Scandinavia which I had to use in my TL. Chose the "EU" colour for it as a scapegoat, as Sweden's colour might have been too similar to metropolitan France. I would also advocate a colour for Courland and a unified Baltics.

I've tried to avoid "unified multi-state region" colours unless they existed OTL, as there are far too many to consider for all possibilities, and in practice they tend to be dominated by one of their components (such as the historical Kingdom of Sweden and Norway, which rapidly saw Norway reduced to a little better than a vassal state). I'd generally opt to use the main colour of the OTL nation whose territory the capital falls inside in these cases.
 
I'm just throwing out ideas, this is your project so your word is final.

I've added a note for communist China that it can substitute as "secondary/Asian communist state", and communist Iberia can substitute as "tertiary/European communist state". I figure if you've got more communist states than that (and note that Japan and Germany also have "communist" substitute colours), you're at the point where ASBs are straining the limits of any standard template colour scheme.

I mentioned a Communist France or Blanquist state, because I see communist France in a lot of timelines and many of them have a French resistance state somewhere, also a communist state that doesn't subscribe to the class-warfare theory isn't addressed (though I suppose that is a bit nit-picky).

I'm not sure there's a good answer to the Belgian question at this stage :confused:

Agreed, that was just the only think I could think of.

I have no problem at all with assigning Bronze Age Athens and the Byzantine Empire to the same colour, as they are separated in time by a considerable margin, and both are considered to be primary Greek state of their day.

I was thinking of a timeline were the Ottomans aren't the cause of Byzantine's fall and we might see the Byzantine become a rump state with Greece or an Athenian based successor at the same time, or if Byzantium survives as a Orthodox version of the Vatican, say an independent Mount Athos or City State of Pharon.

If I merge religions into the main body of the descriptions, it would require widening that column. This would significantly increase the overall file size (which is a function of width x height). There's also the issue that it reinforces an association between a particular religion (or denomination) and secular state. While this is in some cases non-controversial (the Vatican is Catholic, right?), in others, it creates potentially awkward associations that I'd rather not flag up for attention (Iraq/Mesopotamia as the home of unified Abrahamic religion? Orwell's Eastasia as the home of Confucianism? The U.N. as the home of humanism?).

I completely understand your points, I just don't see it as different to what has already been done reusing existing colors, but that could be just me.

Making specific connections between a country and form of government is even more awkward. What country can sincerely claim to be the ne plus ultra of democracy? Better to avoid that controversy altogether. I might at some future date make a colour scheme for it, but it would not intentionally re-use any 'national' colour for such a colour scheme.

Just an idea I had to make the scheme cover a larger variety of map types.
 
I would indeed advocate for the religions staying separate, in a separate subtable.

And with regards to the "Belgian question", I have another proposal: Assign the Belgium colour to Brussells only, and give Flanders and Wallonia all-new colours. What about that?
 

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I would indeed advocate for the religions staying separate, in a separate subtable.

And with regards to the "Belgian question", I have another proposal: Assign the Belgium colour to Brussells only, and give Flanders and Wallonia all-new colours. What about that?

I support this.
 
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Fortunately, I still had a spare "communist" colour available. That now means that Spain, France, and Germany all have their own communism colour. And I now have separate Flanders/Wallonia colours. I'm not too worried about the divided Belgium colours being similar to the unified Belgium colour, as they won't (read:aren't expected to) appear on the same map.

Attachment shows low countries, plus France and communist France for comparison. Colours have 16-bit colour depth errors (i.e., good enough for eyeball use, but not pixel-perfect).

I was thinking of a timeline were the Ottomans aren't the cause of Byzantine's fall and we might see the Byzantine become a rump state with Greece or an Athenian based successor at the same time, or if Byzantium survives as a Orthodox version of the Vatican, say an independent Mount Athos or City State of Pharon.

In such a scenario, the Byzantines would still be the "primary Greek state", and thus would have more claim to that colour than the other Greek state. There's still a few other Greek colours to choose from for that ATL Greek state.

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Just for fun, I made a couple of pastiche maps. The first is "communist world", which flags up all those colours that are labelled as communist or socialist. The second is "fascist world", which does the same for fascist/racist labels.

Are there any notable (OTL or prominent commercially-published ATL) examples which are missing? (n.b, "northern Korean state" doesn't necessarily mean communist; I decided to save a colour and let Burgundy stand in from communist France).

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There could be a scenario where a communist Portugal is needed, separately from a communist Spain.

Another thing would be a communist Italy, separate from a fascist or capitalist Italy (often used in a Reverse Cold War scenario as analogue of Korea!).
 
There could be a scenario where a communist Portugal is needed, separately from a communist Spain.

Another thing would be a communist Italy, separate from a fascist or capitalist Italy (often used in a Reverse Cold War scenario as analogue of Korea!).

I have also used the "Communist France" colour for the communist Scandinavia in my TL.

As a general rule, I don't plan on making separate political colours for a state unless one or more of the following applies:


  1. It is needed to draw a historical civil war scenario.
  2. That political faction achieved significant power, but has since been disowned by the modern mainstream of that country.
  3. That faction exists as a major plot point of a commercially published alternate time-line.
  4. That country or its citizens had a major and unique role in the philosophical development of that ideology.

It's possible to create any number of ATL scenarios in which a colour scheme, no matter how large, would be insufficient. This colour scheme is technically insufficient (and intentionally so) for depicting every Pacific Island state, and it would be trivially easy to make a South American civil war scenario that "breaks" the scheme.
 
As a general rule, I don't plan on making separate political colours for a state unless one or more of the following applies:


  1. It is needed to draw a historical civil war scenario.
  2. That political faction achieved significant power, but has since been disowned by the modern mainstream of that country.
  3. That faction exists as a major plot point of a commercially published alternate time-line.
  4. That country or its citizens had a major and unique role in the philosophical development of that ideology.

It's possible to create any number of ATL scenarios in which a colour scheme, no matter how large, would be insufficient. This colour scheme is technically insufficient (and intentionally so) for depicting every Pacific Island state, and it would be trivially easy to make a South American civil war scenario that "breaks" the scheme.

Of course, we don't need e.g. a communist Czechoslovakia colour, even if there was a communist Czechoslovakia OTL.

However, No. 2 does apply to both Portugal (resistance against Salazar was, to a great part, communist in nature as far as I know), and Italy (only US meddling with the elections did prevent a communist victory in 1946/47!). For communist Greece, No. 1 would apply...
 
Of course, we don't need e.g. a communist Czechoslovakia colour, even if there was a communist Czechoslovakia OTL.

However, No. 2 does apply to both Portugal (resistance against Salazar was, to a great part, communist in nature as far as I know), and Italy (only US meddling with the elections did prevent a communist victory in 1946/47!). For communist Greece, No. 1 would apply...

At what point in history were Portuguese communists either the official government or in control of large swathes of land and stably governing that land (such that it would be meaningful to map it)? "Strong agitators" doesn't quite meet my criterion.

Based on this, I'm edging towards not granting France a specific communist colour (Burgundy can stand in in extremis).
 
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So I found out what was causing the 16-bit colour depth error. Which means that updating will once again be a very quick and easy process.

And now, another question: To what extent is "Anglo-American union" a trope in a-h maps? In published settings, the only real example I know of is Oceania (1984). The Holy Britannian Empire (Code Geass) is really an American monarchy rather than an Anglo-American union -- it doesn't even include any of the British Isles. Are there any other examples of this trope?
 
So I found out what was causing the 16-bit colour depth error. Which means that updating will once again be a very quick and easy process.

And now, another question: To what extent is "Anglo-American union" a trope in a-h maps? In published settings, the only real example I know of is Oceania (1984). The Holy Britannian Empire (Code Geass) is really an American monarchy rather than an Anglo-American union -- it doesn't even include any of the British Isles. Are there any other examples of this trope?

Three Georges and Colombia and Britannia have that particular color scheme being the closest representative.
 
Three Georges and Colombia and Britannia have that particular color scheme being the closest representative.

Thanks. Based on that, I'm keeping the colour, and using it to refer to both Anglo-American unions, and to "radical British states". "Radical" can refer to any form of government that by local standards is extremist but still homegrown. For most countries, that could mean local variants on communism or fascism. For the UK, that would include republicanism (which isn't particularly radical in France). For Greece, it could include some kind of neo-Spartanist movement (which would be frankly improbable almost anywhere else).

And now, a colour test swatch. Which Jordan looks better?

In all three sets, the Lebanon and Palestine colours are fixed. For Jordan...


  • Top: Current, based on TACOS. I feel it's a little too close to the Palestine colour.
  • Middle: Average RGB value of Lebanon and Palestine.
  • Bottom: Average HSL value of Lebanon and Palestine.

Which looks better?

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One more colour swatch for a country I am considering changing: Japan.


  • Top: current Japan colour, yellow by long-standing convention.
  • Middle: The darkest "pure" yellow that (I find, at least) more or less indistinguishable from colour-wheel yellow.
  • Bottom: The colour yellow as defined by JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards)
I like the idea of using the JIS colour, because that means it is a locally-defined version of the colour, in effect making it an endonym of sorts.

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I like the idea of a radical ideology color for a country rather than coming up with colors for each type, its more concise.

The middle and bottom colors of Jordan look the same to me.

I would go with the JIS yellow for the same reason you gave.
 
New version uploaded. Currently, every modern-day country excepting small Caribbean and Pacific island nations now has a designated colour. The only colours that are currently planned to be added or revised are for U.S. states.

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2016-1-17
relabelled "non-UK Commonwealth" for clarity
widened first five columns slightly to ensure there is always an easily clickable "palette space".
Guyana and Belize colours finalised
Ethiopia changed to traditional chartreuse, to make it easier to distinguish from other "yellow" lands and due to high luminosity issue.
Japan changed to golden yellow, to make it easier to distinguish from other "yellow" lands and due to high luminosity issue (this is also closer to JIS standard yellow)
Cyprus Changed to copper colour. Previous colour too bright to show paler shades; copper colour reflects national flag of unity.
Minor change to Eritrea/Aksum, Djibouti, Botswana colours.
Added radical pan-central Europe colour
Added Bahrain, Qatar, Zanzibar, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Prester John colours.
New section label for South African Bantu peoples
Changed Hejaz colour to dark turquoise, to reflect the place that colour has in Islam.
Changed North Korea from UCS to GCS value, to make it more visually distinct from communist Russia and communist China.
Changed refugee state colour to match current TACOS version
Religion colours removed. A new religions palette file will be created in the near future.
 
Random question for you, did you have any plan for depicting personal unions? I was wondering because it always seems like it was an after thought in the other systems.
 
New version uploaded. Currently, every modern-day country excepting small Caribbean and Pacific island nations now has a designated colour. The only colours that are currently planned to be added or revised are for U.S. states.

deviantart

2016-1-17
relabelled "non-UK Commonwealth" for clarity
widened first five columns slightly to ensure there is always an easily clickable "palette space".
Guyana and Belize colours finalised
Ethiopia changed to traditional chartreuse, to make it easier to distinguish from other "yellow" lands and due to high luminosity issue.
Japan changed to golden yellow, to make it easier to distinguish from other "yellow" lands and due to high luminosity issue (this is also closer to JIS standard yellow)
Cyprus Changed to copper colour. Previous colour too bright to show paler shades; copper colour reflects national flag of unity.
Minor change to Eritrea/Aksum, Djibouti, Botswana colours.
Added radical pan-central Europe colour
Added Bahrain, Qatar, Zanzibar, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Prester John colours.
New section label for South African Bantu peoples
Changed Hejaz colour to dark turquoise, to reflect the place that colour has in Islam.
Changed North Korea from UCS to GCS value, to make it more visually distinct from communist Russia and communist China.
Changed refugee state colour to match current TACOS version
Religion colours removed. A new religions palette file will be created in the near future.

Most changes are good, and thanks for leaving the radical French colour intat. Many thanks for that! However, with some changes, I disagree. North Korea's old colour was, in my opinion, better (especially as NKs regime is totalitarian), and I do have to disagree with the religious colours being totally removed.
 
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