Would the German “imported Kings” convert to non Christianity to rule their new nation?

Osman Aga

Osman Aga

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Vabasion said:
How would that impact their ability to marry other European nobility? Would they be outcasts due to conversion, limited to other Muslim dynasties like the Ottomans or would they be forced to marry locals with noble lineage?
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While it is unlikely they would marry European nobility, considering the change of religion, it is not impossible. If there is a noble willing to convert to gain the throne of x country, then there will also be a noble to marry his dsughter/sister/niece to that convert if he sees potential.
Europeans would be more or less pragmatic about it, depending on which throne he gains (Egypt, Persia having more value than Yemen, Tunis or Zanzibar for example).

But it is more likely to marry someone from the existing Muslim dynasties/nobility. In the late 19th century the Muslims were more willing to marry to with nobility outside their country. A convert would not be any different. Though it may differ. If the German Prince should become Shah of Persia, he will become Shia and the pool of brides is lesser. Not every Sunni is willing to enter such marriages. But if the German Prince were to take the throne of Egypt, he will become Sunni and his option of Muslim brides are far larger.
 

LeCHVCK

Vabasion said:
How would that impact their ability to marry other European nobility? Would they be outcasts due to conversion, limited to other Muslim dynasties like the Ottomans or would they be forced to marry locals with noble lineage?
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It would be smarter for the european prince to marry someone from local families or neighbouring countries than going back to european nobles. They already have ties to Europe but they need ties to their new country as well.
 
ThecrownPrince

ThecrownPrince

Hvalrossen said:
It would be a nuisance, Britain would still dominate the region.

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Having though about it, i think that it would have a negligible influence. Should the king convert, he may also marry a Hindu bride. The kings of Nepal might then have German ancestry, but would first and foremost be Nepali. While the king would excercise influence on the country, he would be matched and probably outmatched by a local elite. Should Waldemar and his descendants not intermarry with the native Nepalis, then the dynasty is likely to be absorbed into the English speaking culture of South Asia. The royal family would be a British family with a funny German name. They might also change their name in connection with anti-German sentiment which may occur. Some pages would be occupied in German (and other languages) discourse. Perhaps influencing the perception of colonialism. Nepal might also recieve some German migrants, mostly educated and skilled people. These people would likely not number more than 10-200.
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My post was in reference to Albania not Nepal
 

Jan Olbracht

It was not uncommon for 19th century European officers serving in Ottoman army to convert to Islam, as it improved their social status there. German monarch may not be best analogue, but for younger son of obscure German duke offer of the throne may be worth... hmmm, not a mass in such case, but you know what I mean ;)

Question is-what about the other side? What Muslim country (not counting Bosnia and Albania, as these had significant Christian population) would want German monarch?
 
Osman Aga

Osman Aga

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Sardar said:
Maybe like Chechnya or Circassia or something in the Caucuses
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Chechnya was not recognised and had a leader. Circassia was an area free of Russian and Ottoman control where Circassian tribes lived, not an actual state nor was it recognized as such.

Certain PoDs can lead to these kind of scenarios. It is unlikely but not impossible.
 

Byzantion

Osman Aga said:
Chechnya was not recognised and had a leader. Circassia was an area free of Russian and Ottoman control where Circassian tribes lived, not an actual state nor was it recognized as such.

Certain PoDs can lead to these kind of scenarios. It is unlikely but not impossible.
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Maybe a Pod where the Circassians are player in the 1853-1856 Crimean War supporting the Allies. Maybe in this Pod Prussia also suppprts the Allies. The Allies reward the Circassians with a guarantee of independence and want them to gather in an European style artificial monarchy. A Prussian Prince is chosen and coverts to Islam (Islam had completed to be majority in Caucasus by Mid 19th Century among the Adyghe peoples) and is introduced to Circassian leaders and Sufi sheiks. Maybe he nominally submits to the Ottoman Sultan/Caliph as his spiritual leader.
 
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Mr_Fanboy

Mr_Fanboy

Jürgen said:
I’m sure that if a German prince became king of Anatolia, Syria or Mesopotamia, I’m sure he would convert. But the king of Albania he would stay Christian.
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Syria, Mesopotamia, and especially Anatolia had very large Christian minorities at the time though, right?
 

Jürgen

Mr_Fanboy said:
Syria, Mesopotamia, and especially Anatolia had very large Christian minorities at the time though, right?
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Yes, but they would still be likely to convert, unless of course it's one of the kingdoms Georgia, Armenia, Lebanon, Palestina or Assyria (Niveh Plains).
 

Kellan Sullivan

Osman Aga said:
While it is unlikely they would marry European nobility, considering the change of religion, it is not impossible. If there is a noble willing to convert to gain the throne of x country, then there will also be a noble to marry his dsughter/sister/niece to that convert if he sees potential.
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Its not a German prince, but Zog I of Albania and his kids married into European aristocracy IIRC. There was a king of Egypt (I think) who married a Hungarian countess.
 

Byzantion

Vabasion said:
During the 19th century many nations gained their independence, primarily in the Balkans and most decided that the best thing to do would be to import a German noble and make him king, be it Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and even Spain considered a Hohenzollern.

None of this states were Protestant or Catholic and the new Kings were expected to convert to local religion, in this case orthodox Christianity. Which didn’t seem to be too big of a problem for them as most did do it.

However, to go back to Balkans there are two groups, Albanians and Bosniaks who are majority Muslim. Albania would gain its independence and import a German king as well but soon lose him while Bosnia wouldn’t become independent until 1992. If these nations were to keep their kings would they be expected to convert to Islam and would that impact their prospect for marrying other nobility if they do so? Alternatively, do you think it would be feasible to have a Christian king in majority Muslim state and how might that turn out?
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So have a German prince become adventurous and take over a Sudanese revolt against Anglo-Ottoman Egypt, converts and ending up as a Sultan of Sudan.
 

Wendell

I know it does not count, but even as Christian kings, it would be interesting to get more European dynasts as monarchs in new places, perhaps as a means of preserving local independence, like in, say, Madagascar or Hawaii. Or, have James Brooke marry and produce a daughter who marries a German princeling?
 

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Osman Aga said:
Most Zionists were left leaning and not interested in a monarchy let alone of a Christian one. You need to change the nature of zionists for that. Being mostly religious and not making a big deal out of converts and hope for protection by large nations.
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Unrelated, but I couldn't help but think of Emin Pasha while reading this. A middle class German Jew who converted to Lutheranism while young and may or may not have converted to Islam after he became Governor of Ottoman Equatoria.

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Emin Pasha - Wikipedia

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