WI Russia had used Alaska as a penal colony?

Similar to how the British initially settled Australia. Yes, Russia has tons of land for that already but like the British it may not just be to find a place for the prisoners but use them as a base for further settlements and land claims.

I'm a bit surprised they didn't do that while it remained in their possession.
 
I think this could possibly cause an earlier Cold War as the rest of The US wouldn't be pleased that there's now large amounts of criminals so close to them. Also Russia would now have an advantage as in being closer to The US and having oil reserves. Depending on when this happens, this new penal colony could possibly become a Soviet Union holdout eventually becoming similar to North Korea in terms of being isolated...
 
What's to stop the inmates from making a run for British Canada? Australia's isolation from the rest of the world is what made it a perfect site for a penal colony.
 
Siberia despite being a wilderness was still firmly under Russian control, in Alyaska control didn't extend much past the coast. If it was used as a penal colony the security cost wouldn't have been worth it and if they skimed cost the then prisoners would just escape into the interior.

End result Siberian development would be slowed and significant Russian influence on Alaskan natives and Metis. Probably greater desire to sell the colony to recoup financial loss as well.
 
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Did Russia have the naval capacity for large-scale, organized settlement like that? Would prisoners be shipped off from the Baltic or Black Seas, all the way around, or by land across Siberia to whatever port Russia had on the Pacific before Vladivostok? What are the logistics here?
 
You can walk to Siberia folrom Poland, you can't walk to Alaska. Later on Russia used the Sakalain Islands for convicts, but that was way after they sold Alaska. Took decades to build up a pacific logistical system.
 
What's to stop the inmates from making a run for British Canada? Australia's isolation from the rest of the world is what made it a perfect site for a penal colony.
This. If you try to flee Siberia you'll either end up dead or still in Siberia. This and the logistics of sending people across an ocean when you can just cart them off to Siberia.
 
True but perhaps the fur company in Alaska wants a free labor force?
It does not. The company was almost exclusively about hunting and fur trade and these criminals are not good in either. Not to mention that the company simply did not need more hunters: the available natives and Russians plus the foreign poachers managed to deplete the most valuable fur animals almost to the brink of extinction and company was losing money (and getting state subsidies). Then goes the supply issue. In the early XIX the colony was starving, which prompted establishment of the agricultural settlement in California (did not live to the expectations) and later arrangement with Hudson Bay Co. Transportation is a problem as well. Alaska was reachable either by circumnavigation and Russian navy was considerably smaller than British or by traveling by land across Siberia and then sailing to Alaska from Okhotsk. Obviously, it was more practical to leave the criminals in the penal colonies along the route where, BTW, they would be doing something useful and where the labor force required. Even on Sakhalin the penal colony was established only in 1857 with the first group of prisoners, totaling 20, arriving in 1858 and the real “flow” (on average 1,000 per year) picking up only after 1879 when the prisoners had been transported by the steamships from Odessa sailing through Sues Canal.
 
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This. If you try to flee Siberia you'll either end up dead or still in Siberia. This and the logistics of sending people across an ocean when you can just cart them off to Siberia.
Actually, the prisoners were routinely escaping from Siberia ending up in Moscow and other big cities. They were escaping even from Sakhalin (between 1898 and 1901 1,100 out of which 320 escaped into Japan forcing Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs to sent to Russia a request to improve security of the colony).
 
In Europa Universalis terms what if they expelled minorities to Alyeska to settle it. Like the Old Believers and other religious dissidents, not just common criminals.
 
Actually, the prisoners were routinely escaping from Siberia ending up in Moscow and other big cities. They were escaping even from Sakhalin (between 1898 and 1901 1,100 out of which 320 escaped into Japan forcing Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs to sent to Russia a request to improve security of the colony).
People no doubt escaped prisoner camps in Siberia, but they'd be less likely to succeed, or even do so from Siberia than from Alyeska.
 
Yeah, unless they hopped on a merchant vessel to sail south, I don’t think there’s any more point in “escaping” Alyeska for Yukon. It’s all barren wastes and remains so to the modern day.
 
They still would have sold it to the United States for the same reasons
The only difference is they wouldn't have taken the prisoners back, they would have freed them and made them "settlers" the United States would have been stuck with them
The United States would have inherited the entire penal population making the early days of Alaska rather interesting by throwing some Russian mafia into the mix, ironically boosting immigration from Russia to Alaska and the northwest
 
People no doubt escaped prisoner camps in Siberia, but they'd be less likely to succeed, or even do so from Siberia than from Alyeska.
As I understand, the professional criminals (and definitely the political ones in the later times) had a well-established “infrastructure” supporting escapes. Judging by Gilyarovsky (a famous reporter of the late XIX - XX), the “serious” criminals had been finding their way back to Sukharevka (a “criminal district” in Moscow) numerous times with a full knowledge of the local policemen who would not arrest them unless there was an explicit order to do so. Smaller fish would, of course, have much more serious problems but then, again, Siberia of the Imperial Russia was not one big penal colony and the penal colonies usually were not in a middle of a nowhere: the prisoners had been working and result of their work had to be transported. At least some of the settlers in the area had been generally sympathetic to the prisoners and not only the Old Believers. And, of course, after reaching the ‘civilized area’ an escapee would find himself within a familiar environment and, if he was a professional criminal, he could count upon the local criminals for some help. However, it does not look like the Tsarist government considered escapes as a major or even truly significant problem.
OTOH, escape from Alaska would end up in the areas with an unknown language and culture and no “support base”. So Alaska would be more reliable but less supportable logistically and economically and as such did not make sense.
 
OTOH, escape from Alaska would end up in the areas with an unknown language and culture and no “support base”. So Alaska would be more reliable but less supportable logistically and economically and as such did not make sense.
I think logistical concerns are ultimately the most important in trying to cobble together a timeline that supports these far-flung colonization AHs. I wonder if there's anything to be gained by modeling it after real-world case studies such as Australia or French Guiana.
 
I think logistical concerns are ultimately the most important in trying to cobble together a timeline that supports these far-flung colonization AHs. I wonder if there's anything to be gained by modeling it after real-world case studies such as Australia or French Guiana.
Look, Imperial Russia was neither Britain nor France so that type of modeling does not make sense. Neither Britain nor France had place suitable for the settlement of the criminals on their home territory so they had to ship them somewhere. Russia did not have that problem.
 
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