WI: Monarchy applies for admission as US state?

The cleanest way to accomplish this is to amend the constitution making a monarch head of state and the POTUS head of government. This would be sliding toward ASB territory and would really require a radical shift in people's attitudes.

An alternate approach from an alt history viewpoint would be for the Albany Plan to be accepted by parliament in 1765. This probably would lead to dominion plan being created for colonial areas. This would retain the monarchy as head of government much as we see today in various parts of the commonwealth.
 
The cleanest way to accomplish this is to amend the constitution making a monarch head of state and the POTUS head of government. This would be sliding toward ASB territory and would really require a radical shift in people's attitudes.

An alternate approach from an alt history viewpoint would be for the Albany Plan to be accepted by parliament in 1765. This probably would lead to dominion plan being created for colonial areas. This would retain the monarchy as head of government much as we see today in various parts of the commonwealth.

Why would the monarch of a state be even considered as the head of state for the entire US?
 
It hinges on the definition of the words "guarantee" and "republican".

If "guarantee" means "if the state wants to be a republic, then the government shall 100% support this, but it doesn't have to be a republic if it doesn't want to be", then that allows for more options than "the state had better be republican, or else it can't join the union".

If "republican" means "the state should have democratic institutions before joining the union, which includes constitutional monarchy", again, that allows for more options than "the state should be a republic, and no monarchy of any kind".


It is pretty clear from The Federalist that Madison at least would reject both the idea that (1) the Clause was not mandatory (that is, it would allow states to have non-republican forms of government if they wanted it) and (2) that a constitutional monarchy could be a "republican form of government."

(1) "Governments of dissimilar principles and forms have been found less adapted to a federal coalition of any sort, than those of a kindred nature. "As the confederate republic of Germany," says Montesquieu, "consists of free cities and petty states, subject to different princes, experience shows us that it is more imperfect than that of Holland and Switzerland. " "Greece was undone," he adds, "as soon as the king of Macedon obtained a seat among the Amphictyons. " In the latter case, no doubt, the disproportionate force, as well as the monarchical form, of the new confederate, had its share of influence on the events. It may possibly be asked, what need there could be of such a precaution, and whether it may not become a pretext for alterations in the State governments, without the concurrence of the States themselves. These questions admit of ready answers. If the interposition of the general government should not be needed, the provision for such an event will be a harmless superfluity only in the Constitution. But who can say what experiments may be produced by the caprice of particular States, by the ambition of enterprising leaders, or by the intrigues and influence of foreign powers? To the second question it may be answered, that if the general government should interpose by virtue of this constitutional authority, it will be, of course, bound to pursue the authority. But the authority extends no further than to a GUARANTY of a republican form of government, which supposes a pre-existing government of the form which is to be guaranteed. As long, therefore, as the existing republican forms are continued by the States, they are guaranteed by the federal Constitution. Whenever the States may choose to substitute other republican forms, they have a right to do so, and to claim the federal guaranty for the latter. The only restriction imposed on them is, that they shall not exchange republican for antirepublican Constitutions; a restriction which, it is presumed, will hardly be considered as a grievance." https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-43

(2) "What, then, are the distinctive characters of the republican form? Were an answer to this question to be sought, not by recurring to principles, but in the application of the term by political writers, to the constitution of different States, no satisfactory one would ever be found. Holland, in which no particle of the supreme authority is derived from the people, has passed almost universally under the denomination of a republic. The same title has been bestowed on Venice, where absolute power over the great body of the people is exercised, in the most absolute manner, by a small body of hereditary nobles. Poland, which is a mixture of aristocracy and of monarchy in their worst forms, has been dignified with the same appellation. The government of England, which has one republican branch only, combined with an hereditary aristocracy and monarchy, has, with equal impropriety, been frequently placed on the list of republics. [my emphasis--DT] These examples, which are nearly as dissimilar to each other as to a genuine republic, show the extreme inaccuracy with which the term has been used in political disquisitions.

"If we resort for a criterion to the different principles on which different forms of government are established, we may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all [my emphasis--DT] its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behavior..." https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-39
 
The monarch wouldn't have to be legally recognized as such. You can let them keep their castle and walk around calling themselves anything they want. It just wouldn't be official.
 
The monarch wouldn't have to be legally recognized as such. You can let them keep their castle and walk around calling themselves anything they want. It just wouldn't be official.

In which case, the US could have monarchies in the way that, say, Nigeria, Uganda or South Africa still has monarchies within it - they have no formal role in how the relevant legislature works, but they are still present and have cultural significance.

Alternatively, have the SCOTUS rule that "guarantee" means "can be if it wants to, but doesn't have to" (maybe allow the people of this state vote on whether they want to keep their monarch or not, to give them democratic validation?) and/or "republican" means "constitutional democracy" rather than "elect LITERALLY EVERYONE!". Additionally, the prospective state could either have an elected governor, which acts the same way as other state governors, in addition to the now totally ceremonial monarch, or SCOTUS rules that the new state doesn't actually need an elected governor etc., as long as the legislator behaves in a way that is still considered "republican" (e.g. a Westminster-style parliament), according to its ruling.
 
Why would the monarch of a state be even considered as the head of state for the entire US?
IMO, allowing a monarch in a state would require amending the constitution. If the sentiment to do this existed, it is not that far out to put in at the top. As I said, this would require a radical shift in the attitudes of this country. If you are going to do this at the state level, why not do it for the country? It would relieve the presidents of a lot of PR work that they do now. Have the royals do the ribbon cutting, etc. much as it is done in the UK. There is some fascination with the British royal family in this country. Is this entire idea likely? Not at all. I was just musing for the OP.
 
IMO, allowing a monarch in a state would require amending the constitution. If the sentiment to do this existed, it is not that far out to put in at the top. As I said, this would require a radical shift in the attitudes of this country. If you are going to do this at the state level, why not do it for the country? It would relieve the presidents of a lot of PR work that they do now. Have the royals do the ribbon cutting, etc. much as it is done in the UK. There is some fascination with the British royal family in this country. Is this entire idea likely? Not at all. I was just musing for the OP.

But that would require the entire country accepting a change in the federal government, rather than finding a way to accommodate an oddity in a state government.
 
Abolish the monarchy. Let the royal family retain their lands and wealth, but end the monarchy nonetheless.
 
My dad is a Kentucky Colonel, apparently the Governor of Kentucky at the time my dad was doing business with the state government tossed them around like candy.
Interesting story:

When you become a Kentucky Colonel they give you an official card saying as such. My dad and mom were on vacation in Italy, where my dad was born and raised until he moved to the U.S. at 15. Anyway, they're driving around and my dad gets pulled over for speeding. The cops come up to the door and ask for license and registration, or whatever the Italian version of that is, and my dad starts talking. In the perfect Italian of a native, he explains that he is an American citizen and part of a secret government task force. He proceeds to pull out his card and show them that he is a "Colonel" and as a fat, balding middle aged man is clearly right in the middle of some sort of James Bond situation. They apologized profusely and let him continue on his way.

Technically it's a sort of state militia officer with each member an aide-de-camp to the governor that is now largely ceremonial. My dad is also one - in theory if something happened that required military action they could be called up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Colonel
 
Interesting story:

When you become a Kentucky Colonel they give you an official card saying as such. My dad and mom were on vacation in Italy, where my dad was born and raised until he moved to the U.S. at 15. Anyway, they're driving around and my dad gets pulled over for speeding. The cops come up to the door and ask for license and registration, or whatever the Italian version of that is, and my dad starts talking. In the perfect Italian of a native, he explains that he is an American citizen and part of a secret government task force. He proceeds to pull out his card and show them that he is a "Colonel" and as a fat, balding middle aged man is clearly right in the middle of some sort of James Bond situation. They apologized profusely and let him continue on his way.

That is one fascinating anecdote! But the title of Kentucky colonel bring this to mind the Colonel Sanders timeline and makes me wonder, first, does that title take on special significance in that timeline and second, does your dad's title seem extra special to the Italians in that timeline. :)
 
"If we resort for a criterion to the different principles on which different forms of government are established, we may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all [my emphasis--DT] its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behavior..." https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-39

Does "during good behaviour" imply that a Governor could be appointed for life, or unless/until removed by impeachment?
 
Iirc Poland was called a Republic when it elected its Kings. Would anything in the CONUS forbid a State from allowing its Governor to be elected for life?

"[The new Constitution's] President seems a bad edition of a Polish king. He may be reelected from 4. years to 4. years for life. Reason and experience prove to us that a chief magistrate, so continuable, is an officer for life."--Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1787. http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl65.php
 
But that would require the entire country accepting a change in the federal government, rather than finding a way to accommodate an oddity in a state government.

I've already shown that there are only two ways to accommodate that "oddity":

1. Pass a Constitutional amendment. I've linked the relevant Constitutional provisions banning titles of nobility, which would be the main issue in the "Japan becomes a state" scenario. Any Constitutional amendment that allows states to employ titles of nobility would almost certainly lead to the Supreme Court interpreting the Constitution to allow "constitutional monarchies" as a valid "republican form of government", provided that the monarch has minimal power. The problem with this scenario is that monarchism has had extremely minimal support in the US since the Revolutionary War, and especially since the Constitutional Convention.

2. The "monarch" is not an office of the state. In Germany, Georg Friedrich is the head of house Hohenzollern, inheritor of its estates, retains the title "Prinz von Preußen", but has absolutely no governmental power at all. If the title were not enforced by the state, then that would be totally acceptable in the US without any Constitutional changes. This is probably an unsatisfactory solution in your eyes.

With all due respect, referring to it as an "oddity in a state government" is grossly downplaying the legal and cultural issues involved. Reducing the US's republicanism after the Constitution is basically trying to rewrite the whole country's political and philosophical DNA, and it only gets more difficult as you get farther from the adoption of the Constitution. Even in a titular form, it's antithetical to America's "civic religion", which fully pervaded the US sociological psyche during the Monroe administration. Admitting a state with a monarch is like asking the Pope and the Patriarch of Constantinople to make a sacrifice to Moloch.
 
2. The "monarch" is not an office of the state. In Germany, Georg Friedrich is the head of house Hohenzollern, inheritor of its estates, retains the title "Prinz von Preußen", but has absolutely no governmental power at all. If the title were not enforced by the state, then that would be totally acceptable in the US without any Constitutional changes. This is probably an unsatisfactory solution in your eyes.

Similarly, would there be any issues if a non-state organisation/agent gives titles of nobility etc., provided that this has no official basis? So, for example, someone could call themselves Duke of Westchester, but this means absolutely nothing beyond just showing off.
 
Similarly, would there be any issues if a non-state organisation/agent gives titles of nobility etc., provided that this has no official basis? So, for example, someone could call themselves Duke of Westchester, but this means absolutely nothing beyond just showing off.

As a matter of law, titles presented by a non-governmental organization are totally legal. An attempt to legislatively abrogate or restrain somebody from calling themselves as such would run afoul of First Amendment jurisprudence, unless it is used in a misleading fashion for personal gain (then its usage could be restrained for commercial usage).
 
This was initially intended for an edit to post #36, but its size and that there were already responses to it have lead me to turn it into its own post.

Excerpt from Jefferson's first inaugural address:
"Let us, then, with courage and confidence pursue our own Federal and Republican principles, our attachment to union and representative government. Kindly separated by nature and a wide ocean from the exterminating havoc of one quarter of the globe; too high-minded to endure the degradations of the others; possessing a chosen country, with room enough for our descendants to the thousandth and thousandth generation; entertaining a due sense of our equal right to the use of our own faculties, to the acquisitions of our own industry, to honor and confidence from our fellow-citizens, resulting not from birth, but from our actions and their sense of them; enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter -- with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens -- a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

Here Jefferson is fully employing the ideas and concepts that are critical to the "civil religion" that forms the entire political-moral-philosophical superstructure that has shaped American thought and self-conception for at least two centuries now. The bolded portions run directly against the goal of

Excerpt from Obama's second inaugural addrss:
"Each time we gather to inaugurate a President we bear witness to the enduring strength of our Constitution. We affirm the promise of our democracy. We recall that what binds this nation together is not the colors of our skin or the tenets of our faith or the origins of our names. What makes us exceptional -- what makes us American -- is our allegiance to an idea articulated in a declaration made more than two centuries ago:
'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.'

Today we continue a never-ending journey to bridge the meaning of those words with the realities of our time. For history tells us that while these truths may be self-evident, they’ve never been self-executing; that while freedom is a gift from God, it must be secured by His people here on Earth. (Applause.) The patriots of 1776 did not fight to replace the tyranny of a king with the privileges of a few or the rule of a mob. They gave to us a republic, a government of, and by, and for the people, entrusting each generation to keep safe our founding creed.

And for more than two hundred years, we have."

The same reflexive identification of America as a promised nation, the invocation of democratic republicanism, equal rights, and self-direction. Both also tie the exercise of those rights to a "free market" economic system. While Obama's address, particularly in the sections after my citation, shows the modifications to that "civil religion" that derive from the Civil War, Great Depression, World War II, and the civil rights movement, it is remarkable how little the creed changed in the 212 years between the address. These same themes are revisited time and again in American rhetoric. It forms the backbone of how Americans think of themselves and the world. While the canon of the American gospel has added new works since the time of Jefferson (cf. Thoreau's Civil Disobedience, Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, King's Letters from a Birmingham Jail), those later additions are less replacements than refinements of the religious-philosophical-political system that arose during the late 18th century.

The biggest problem with letting a state have a monarchy, no matter how powerless, isn't the legal difficulty. We've amended the Constitution twenty-seven times in the past 230 years, and could do so again. The real problem is that it runs counter to the "sacred texts" that define what being an American is; it's heresy against the fundamental religion of the US. It's far easier to stop that "religion" from coming into being than it is to eradicate once it exists. Washington's Farewell Address already shows signs of the sacralization of the Declaration, a mere twenty-two years after the Declaration was issued. The mythologizing of Washington had essentially begun the moment the ARW ended, and the rest of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution began the sacralization process during the Monroe administration.

Here's Robert Bellah's seminal article on the subject: http://www.robertbellah.com/articles_5.htm.
 
Solution that popped into my head: do what the Italians did with the Papacy. Just set up a micro state for the monarchy in question, containing whatever bits of land are deemed necessary for the monarchy (doesn’t even have to be contiguous). Most likely, a few pieces of land, such as the royal palace. Then, this much reduced monarchy enters into a free association treaty with the US (so there’s no bother with customs).

If we want to get really cute, the federal government could sign a treaty with this reduced monarchy that gives them some ceremonial powers in their former country - or give them formal permission to establish such a relationship with the new state. The feds wouldn’t have the authority to tell a state to create a ceremonial office, and the state wouldn’t have the authority to engage with a foreign sovereign in that capacity. So some cute legal trickery is needed.

But yeah, that all should make it work!
 
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