Why didn't Great Britain just get rid of the 13 colonies in the 1760s?

Was there ever a possibility that Britain would lose less badly and the 13 colonies gain their independence but don't gain any further territory (ie, none of the frontier lands including detroit and former french territory)? What are the prospects for such an independent state?

State? They would be multiple. Maybe even some stay with Britain.
 
Was there ever a possibility that Britain would lose less badly and the 13 colonies gain their independence but don't gain any further territory (ie, none of the frontier lands including detroit and former french territory)? What are the prospects for such an independent state?


Well, virtually everything northwest of the Ohio was in British hands at war's end. The US got it because the new British government wanted a quick peace more than it wanted to hang on to a wilderness.

The French tried to broker an even worse deal, with virtually everything west of the Alleghenies going to Spain. That was probably never a runner, inasmuch as there were already quite a few American settlers in the future states of Kentucky and Tennessee, but Spain might have ended up with the western ends of those states, and most of the future Alabama and Mississippi.

As to how long it lasts, there's certainly going to be trouble ahead. Spain, in particular, is not going to be strong enough to hold those territories, though Britain may well be. How it affectas teh Constitution is anybody's guess.
 
Britain was trying to rationalize its empire. It saw a benefit to centralize and coordinate the colonies. And Britain also had responsibilities to its new dependants - all the North American Indians who now looked to the King to protect their treaty rights. -- snip --
Britain is not a person with one mind. It is a collective of many minds which all want different things, and must act in some kind of compromised agreement. You are not going to get consensus to simply abandon the colonies.
Government policy is never rational in the way an individual might be.
 
Very much so, not of one mind. A key player was George III, who with Lord North were acting some what similar to apprentice Kaiser Wilhelm (Bill) & steward Otto Von Bismarck a century later. The younger man learns from the older a rather strongarm and unseamly type of statecraft, except that George had a congenital madness about ready to crop up (porphyria) and Bill had a deformed, useless arm -- recent research suggests being cut off from oxygen and mild brain damage as well (I will not call it his shortarm.)
 
One faction, the ruling Tories (North's group were old Pelhamites) wanted to stick it to the colonialists much as Ireland and Scotland were impoverished in only a generation or two with an initial "only a stamp tax" type foray. Of course they could not say so while inserting the proverbial camel's head under the tent. These upstarts might have blowback to inact change in Britain itself. A few merchants could be co-opted, but already 20% of the British white population the Americans could not.

Give this gravy train up? That would not be real politik.

The colonials, especially wiser heads like Franklin, saw the Scotish/Irish depredations first hand via travels to those lands, and helped to call the bluff. Not wanting to see themselves the losers, the ante was raised in a vicious escalation. In the end, Franklin barely made it out of England without having chains placed on his body, transmorgrified from a eager imperialist place man (lobbist/government opportunist) to a devoted revolutionary. He was supposed to mutter to his nemisis in the Hutchinson papers fiasco, "I'll make your king a little man for this."
 
Til 1775, the wiser heads, at first especially Franklin, called it one of an aging mother losing her grip on reality. One does not disabuse one's mother, simply puts her under as good care as possible. But this mother had a meat cleaver and like to play mumbly peg with offspring's heads, so we turn the page to declare 1776.
 
If imperialists let the crown jewel run away, we might have a domino theory collapse. And as the previous poster stated, the (American)Indians were now pledged to be charges just like the colonialists. At least the Indians were easily bought, a long ways away, and would never presume to ask for a place in the house of commons. Time to do a switch like in 1939 White Paper Palestine, and to hell with the consequences.


Your idea is common and common sense, but history is nothing so common or sensical. Emotions tug at our heartsleeves and the head doesnt know what the tail is doing. Just cutting and running goes against nearly any empire, as those characteristics do not tend to make any acquisitions. A worse option, the worst fear of the Tories, was to have the colonies in the parliament, the house of commons. True, there were rotten boroughs and the like, and the southern half of colonies would have been really easy to buy out, but still a 5% to 10% noisy share. Why include in this thead? Because the Tories knew that it would be hard to justify cutting the colonies loose as then they would not only compete on the world shipping market, but could also shop elsewhere. This is really big money and next to no rightist big money person wanted that.

Case in point was Iceland, where 20% of the population _died_ of famine and to some degree of volcanic poisoning in the post 1783 Laki eruption, and it took nearly a year before the King and his exclusive King's monopoly decided to do anything about it, then spent the money on non famine areas, assumedly of politically connected people. Fish was _exported_ out of the island, much as beef was from Ireland during the great 1845-49 famine. (But the 1782-3 famine squelched merchants protesting restriction of Irish exports, possibly because of Whigs coming to power.)

The monopoly of Greenland did not bode well in the 14th/15th centuries extinction, either. It was a European disease back then, government monopolies, and very few ever gave it up willingly while at profit. A soveriegn gave up those trading rights after the poor population was bled dry, generations afterwards, if at all. And the upstart Americans had gotten away with low taxes for far too long, begging to be 'tapped'.
 
one thing I've pointed out on here often is that the ARW grew as much out of long decades of imperial neglect as much as anything else... the colonists had grown used to running their own affairs pretty much unbothered by the home country. Another thing not often remembered is that the colonies actually did have various taxes and customs duties in place before the whole stamp/tea tax fiascoes but they were never collected in any real organized way; the imperial tax collectors in the colonies sucked at their jobs. The colonists were longtime and consumate smugglers, mainly to avoid the various fees and restrictions on shipping. What set the colonists off was that these existing taxes were suddenly going to be enforced and some new ones added on. And while the colonists were grateful for the redcoats destroying the French menace in Canada, it was mixed in with memories of other times that the British failed to aid the colonies, promised troops and ships being sent elsewhere. Like most big conflicts, the ARW didn't spring up overnight because of a single issue... it was decades in the making...
 
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