"What Madness Is This?" Volume I: The Union Forever

[Murica1776]

So Sci-Marxism is *not* part of AFC, just the Irish part? This changes... things.

A L L H A I L P R E S I D E N T O B A M A

Yes... and no. I personally would say they are separate, but also intertwined. Lemme explain my logic, and pre-emptively apologize if this gets a little messy.

Both Scientific Marxism and the AFC operate on a few basic racial assumptions:

• Anglo-Saxon-Teutonics, Jews, and African-Americans are different branches of a Pinnacle Race
• Irishmen, Spaniards, Italians, Hispanics, Slavs, Arabs, Persians, Balkaners, native Africans and most Asians are racially inferior.
• These Inferiors pose a mortal threat to the Pinnacle Race.
• The only way to counter this threat is by segregating, oppressing, and killing Inferiors, as well as encouraging the growth of Pinnacle Bloodlines.

However, the explanation for these racial assumptions differs from the AFC vs. Scientific Marxism. The AFC maintains that Inferiors are Inferior because they have no souls. They're literally the Devil's children. This translates both into their alleged depravity, and their supposed biological inferiority. Of course the soulless monsters are weaker than us, they're literally less than us!

Scientific Marxism, while agreeing with the soullessness aspect, argues that this inferiority shows up more in their skull shape, bodily fluids, and general biological characteristics. Meanwhile, Betters, thanks to both Darwinism and Jehovah, have rip-roarin fluids that could conquer the universe by God! So, in short, Sci-Marxism takes AFC ideas, but puts a more scientific spin and justification on them, which differentiates it from just the Books of Manifest Destiny.

Here's where the argument for allowing Anglo-Saxon - African-American intermarriage can be found. Although expressed differently, their souls and fluids are, fundamentally, made of the same stuff. They're blessed by God, and are the fully blessed, fully human Chosen. So, if they're both people, why can't they marry? By contrast, the hideous Infees have no souls, and no "real" fluids. Mating with one of them is like mating with a horse. It's against the laws of nature.

 

[Born in the USSA]

So Sci-Marxism is *not* part of AFC, just the Irish part? This changes... things.

A L L H A I L P R E S I D E N T O B A M A

Scientific Marxism was declared biblically compatible by the AFC, while Spiritual Marxism was declared canon to the faith, to illustrate the difference between the two approaches. It'd likely be easier for a researcher to declare "commingling between the Better Races does not empirically pollute the Fluids" than to say "hey guys turns out ghosts aren't real."

 

[Atomicpunk0]

I present to you the Ultimate Pinnacle man:

... also Drake is trash. Now that is out of the way, I'm proud to say I'm a "professional" sound cloud rapper.

 

[Darth Fearg]

Attention, Comrade-Patriots!

Behold, Philadelphia Swift, Pinnacle Man of the Hardware Industry! Inventor of the Flex Seal family of products, ol' Phil promotes good American values, such as praising Jehovah and giving the Cokies a run for their money. The Flex Seal family of products is what seals the Republican Union off from the Papist savages of Europa. All hail Phil Swift and the Flex Seal family of products!

 

[HeX]

I still can't believe Maryland was renamed "Burrland."

 

[MuricanTauri1776]

Yes... and no. I personally would say they are separate, but also intertwined. Lemme explain my logic, and pre-emptively apologize if this gets a little messy.

Both Scientific Marxism and the AFC operate on a few basic racial assumptions:

• Anglo-Saxon-Teutonics, Jews, and African-Americans are different branches of a Pinnacle Race
• Irishmen, Spaniards, Italians, Hispanics, Slavs, Arabs, Persians, Balkaners, native Africans and most Asians are racially inferior.
• These Inferiors pose a mortal threat to the Pinnacle Race.
• The only way to counter this threat is by segregating, oppressing, and killing Inferiors, as well as encouraging the growth of Pinnacle Bloodlines.

However, the explanation for these racial assumptions differs from the AFC vs. Scientific Marxism. The AFC maintains that Inferiors are Inferior because they have no souls. They're literally the Devil's children. This translates both into their alleged depravity, and their supposed biological inferiority. Of course the soulless monsters are weaker than us, they're literally less than us!

Scientific Marxism, while agreeing with the soullessness aspect, argues that this inferiority shows up more in their skull shape, bodily fluids, and general biological characteristics. Meanwhile, Betters, thanks to both Darwinism and Jehovah, have rip-roarin fluids that could conquer the universe by God! So, in short, Sci-Marxism takes AFC ideas, but puts a more scientific spin and justification on them, which differentiates it from just the Books of Manifest Destiny.

Here's where the argument for allowing Anglo-Saxon - African-American intermarriage can be found. Although expressed differently, their souls and fluids are, fundamentally, made of the same stuff. They're blessed by God, and are the fully blessed, fully human Chosen. So, if they're both people, why can't they marry? By contrast, the hideous Infees have no souls, and no "real" fluids. Mating with one of them is like mating with a horse. It's against the laws of nature.

And this whole time i've been operating under the assumption that Sci-Marxism became 100% AFC doctrine and to enable interracial would be like saying irish are people to them. Thank you for clearing that up.

Also, re: the Persian Empire, do they consider it infee from the start and trying to overrun the Greek pinnacles or Pinnacle Men who were overrun by Arabs like the Italians and Rome?

Also, IMO we need a post detailing who is Infee and Better, on a threadmark or something.

 

[MuricanTauri1776]

I still can't believe Maryland was renamed "Burrland."

Especially since Mary would still be a thing for the AFC (I think)

 

[HeX]

Especially since Mary would still be a thing for the AFC (I think)

Technically, there are two sources to the name, and it depends on who you ask. Some believe the name is in honor of Queen Henrietta Maria, the wife of King Charles I, but some scholars believe that Calvert named the place after Mary, the mother of Jesus.

 

[Sunstone77]

The irony that the racialist R.U. most brutal leaders (barring Custer) have been of inferior stock.

“If I’m even more brutal then my contemporaries, no one will ever suspect me of being Inferior” - every Inferior trying to pass as a Better

There is probably also a few helpings of self-loathing and denial projection going on too. And in a society like the RU, that’s going to festering into bloody Madness

 

[MuricanTauri1776]

“If I’m even more brutal then my contemporaries, no one will ever suspect me of being Inferior” - every Inferior trying to pass as a Better

There is probably also a few helpings of self-loathing and denial projection going on too. And in a society like the RU, that’s going to festering into bloody Madness

Yes, I thought we saw this already with Oswald 1.0

 

[LostInNewDelhi]

Pizza being called "cheese-shields" is pretty good

Cheese-Shields(TM) come in three sizes, handed down from the ancestors: Buckler, Hoplon, and Scutum!

Actually, to distinguish them visually from OTL pizzas there could be an "inner crust" of raised dough in the center, like a giant dough-bubble or something, with all the sauce and toppings in a ring around.

this but pizza basically

 

[Not Plato]

Especially since Mary would still be a thing for the AFC (I think)

Mary is more venerated by Catholics, to the point where some extremist Protestants will accuse Catholics of ”worshipping” Mary. So, I’d imagine the RU would want to remove devilish papist Saint-Worship from the states’ names, and replace it with their totally fine and not heretical prophet-worship.

 

[Murica1776]

giving the Cokies a run for their money

I'd like to see ol' Phil give us a run for our money. He better make it count. You don't pull one over on a Cokie boy, no sir. We'll get im.

-A quote from Billy Mays Sutherland, CEO of Cokie Hardware and Supply, who is absolutely not planning violence against Phil Swift.

 

[farmerted555]

Attention, Comrade-Patriots!

Behold, Philadelphia Swift, Pinnacle Man of the Hardware Industry! Inventor of the Flex Seal family of products, ol' Phil promotes good American values, such as praising Jehovah and giving the Cokies a run for their money. The Flex Seal family of products is what seals the Republican Union off from the Papist savages of Europa. All hail Phil Swift and the Flex Seal family of products!

But does it work underwater?

 

[Napoleon53]

Obama will not exist. It's just too implausible. Steele and Oswald slipped through because it was basically still pretty wild and hard to track absolutely everything. In the tabulator era of 1970+, Inferiors passing as Betters will likely be a thing of the past. However, we most definitely could have a black character with Obama characteristics. As we move into the later 20th century, OTL characters will become fewer and fewer as the world will be unrecognizable. The Romneys and Bushes are already here, but one-offs/rags to riches like Obama simply are beyond the suspension of disbelief. lol

 

[Sunstone77]

I’m know you just said you want to cut down on the use of real world people in the timeline but I’d just like to make one more suggestion: Margret Thatcher, either as a post Churchill leader of Britannia or as an RU politician. After binging many episodes of Spitting Image, their portrayal of her as a psychopathic bully who tortures her cabinet feels like it would be right at home in WMIT

 

[eldandythedoubter]

I’m know you just said you want to cut down on the use of real world people in the timeline but I’d just like to make one more suggestion: Margret Thatcher, either as a post Churchill leader of Britannia or as an RU politician. After binging many episodes of Spitting Image, their portrayal of her as a psychopathic bully who tortures her cabinet feels like it would be right at home in WMIT

The Trenchbull intensifies.

 

[Gar48]

propose that during WWII, the RU invades China to grant lebensraum to the Japanese-Yankee Supermen.

If this happens i immagine that Korea will be invaded too. Besides the obvious strategic reasons, the fact Japan had already tried (and failed) to invade the country in 1592 and 1597 could be used by MacCarthur to show the RU's superiority over the old pagan emperors.
As someone has already suggested, the war could end with Korea divided like OTL but with the conditions of the north and the south reversed.

Mittleafrika strikes me as a rather unstable and, in the long run, unsustainable animal.

I agree. There is also the fact Europa could start supporting african rebels in the territory of Mittleafrika in an effort to damage a RU's ally ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend" after all).
Of course Fuhrer Reinhardt Von Bachenheim could easily doing something similar like encouraging white settlers in the French African Colonies to pull a Rhodesia and declare indipendence from the mainland.

Talking about the indipendence of the colonies, i believe that Italian territories in East Africa could liberate themself from their colonial master thanks to the incoming war.
I see three possibilities for this:
1)Europa invades the italian colonies either because the italian army opens a new front in Africa or because Paris wants to deprive the Supercatholics of their war resources and materials
2) The local population explodes in revolt against the Italians. Considering this would happen while most of the italian army is focused in Europe, the colonial government could be unable to controll the revolt (after all this almost happened in Libya during WW1 in OTL)
3)Zanzibar could join the war against Peter II.
Considering Zanzibar is simply an italian protectorate rather than a direct colony, it already has an indipendent army and the local king could cut a deal with Paris to open a new front against the Supercatholics.

Of course all of these three options could happen at the same time.

Now i immagine someone will object by saying that an eventual annexation by either the RU, the Carolinas, France or Mittleafrika is more likely.
I doubt it for the following reasons:
1)To put it simply the Carolinas and the RU are too distant to actually intervene in the area. The RU is also probably too busy with the war in South America to care about something happening on the other side of the ocean.
2) Considering Mittleafrika was forced to abbandon parts of its territory almost immediately after its indipendence, i doubt the country has the will and/or the capability to annex new territories
3)Honestly i think France will be more focused on Europe to care about the italian colonies and the fact it is still recovering from the Great Depression probably doesn't help. Also think about the awful bordergore that would come out of it.

 

[Time Enough]

I’m know you just said you want to cut down on the use of real world people in the timeline but I’d just like to make one more suggestion: Margret Thatcher, either as a post Churchill leader of Britannia or as an RU politician. After binging many episodes of Spitting Image, their portrayal of her as a psychopathic bully who tortures her cabinet feels like it would be right at home in WMIT

That could be funny however may I recommend everyone favourite pipe smoking Christian Socialist Quote machine, step forward Mr Benn:

 

[FranzAncheNo]

Persians

I don't know if we already discussed this, but what's going to happen to Farrokh Bulsara?
He's an Infee by RU's standards and his parents would likely live in a French dominated India (And so would never move to London or any other English speaking city.).