Their actual existence is public knowledge but not the membership rolls.I am curious to know, and quite convinced, actually, that the Council of Jehovah is more of an open secret these days in America than a truly secret society. Isn't of so?
Their actual existence is public knowledge but not the membership rolls.I am curious to know, and quite convinced, actually, that the Council of Jehovah is more of an open secret these days in America than a truly secret society. Isn't of so?
CalBear himself has iirc said that the A4 are less than great dudes. It'll take me a bit of searching but I know that the admin also said the same thing.Doesn't seem like that to me, I don't know where you're getting that impression.
In fact, I view the world of AANW as a veritable utopia. World peace spearheaded by Anglo-American cultural and military domination of the world? I mean, seriously, where do I sign up?
And if "overbearing patronizing moral myopia" means "people aren't allowed to start wars and commit genocide" then I'm 100% on board with that.
I am curious to know, and quite convinced, actually, that the Council of Jehovah is more of an open secret these days in America than a truly secret society. Isn't of so?
Their actual existence is public knowledge but not the membership rolls.
Jesus Christ. It's like every batshit idea from the Victorian Age was tossed into a blender, allowed to marinate in tribalist supremacism, and poured across the world. I applaud you Napo. You've made the Victorian West's wildest dreams come true, and turned them into a living nightmare.
So to destroy the religion that they despise, symbolized by the Council of Jehovah, the Illuminati... becomes exactly like the Council of Jehovah...?
It's a horrifying mishmash of Victorian geopolitics, retro Americana, Bioshock, and Deus Ex in all the worst ways.Ding-ding-ding. EXACTLY what I wanted to convey. I always said that what Fallout is to the 50s-60s, I wanted this TL to be to the Victorian Era. It's beautiful to see it come to fruition. *single tear of pride*
Clearly it's a sign that stopping the timeline in 191X would be a drastic mistake! It just hasn't gone far enough!It's a horrifying mishmash of Victorian geopolitics, retro Americana, Bioshock, and Deus Ex in all the worst ways.
And yet nothing in it has yet approached the sheer insanity or planned body count of what OTL Hitler wanted. Truth really is sometimes stranger than fiction.
Clearly it's a sign that stopping the timeline in 191X would be a drastic mistake! It just hasn't gone far enough!
I can't even imagine that and frankly don't want to because I'm pretty sure that whenever the psychopathic bastards running this world get their hands on nukes they'll glass the whole planet within two decades.Just imagine what, say, 1970 will look like. Dear lord, my metaphorical eyes.
Except from the textbook History of Human Civilization, the standard high school history textbook in the Commonwealth of the Americas, (C)2334
Section 7: The End Times Era (1812-[DATA EXPUNGED])
The End Times Era, also known as the Old Era, the Second Dark Age, and the Age of Extremism, was the era of human civilization that spanned from the War of 1812 until its timely demise following the [DATA EXPUNGED]. Various other dates have been put forward by historians as a more suitable starting point than 1812, including but not limited to 1910, 1883, 1826, 1801, 1789, 1776, 1698, 1453, 610, 476, and even the birth of Jesus.
Is existence itself desirable? Why?
when you finish, will you do a madness story but instead of the worse of the Victorian era, it will be for the 20th century?Ding-ding-ding. EXACTLY what I wanted to convey. I always said that what Fallout is to the 50s-60s, I wanted this TL to be to the Victorian Era. It's beautiful to see it come to fruition. *single tear of pride*
when you finish, will you do a madness story but instead of the worse of the Victorian era, it will be for the 20th century?
just because fallout did it, doesn't mean you can't do your own version with your own ideas and perspective.I would love to, but sadly I believe it has already been done:
just because fallout did it, doesn't mean you can't do your own version with your own ideas and perspective.
maybe you can incorporate the ideas you hade for a never-ending 1970s into this timeline. what were your ideas for that timeline anyway?I HAVE had an idea for a Huey Long timeline or a universe where the 1970s never ended. I guess you could call the 70s one "What Malaise Is This?" or perhaps "Is MALAISE an Instrument?" But at any rate I'm sticking with WMIT for now. I still have plans to eventually write actual novels, hopefully eventually get a HOI4 mod, and make documentaries/short films all set in this universe. One of the reasons I stopped my Pay the Bonus timeline is because the USA in that universe was very similar to this universe, and I would honestly have more fun writing about this one, thus the reboot. Madness is the total sum of my imagination to create a vibrant and living world with its own rich and distinctive character and feel.
Who knows? Maybe one day there will be a Madness movie! After I sell out and let them take all the "offensive"/"uncomofortable"/obscure/enjoyable/fun parts, just like the heinous aborted Fallout movie back in the late 1990s/early 2000s that wasn't even going to be set in a retrofuture. lol
maybe you can incorporate the ideas you hade for a never-ending 1970s into this timeline. what were your ideas for that timeline anyway?
the 70s! the time where all the good of the 60s party too hard and had such a bad hangover that everyone decides to go ultra conservative in the 80s and decide to never go back to that era again. speaking about the 80s, are you going to infuse the worse of 80s megacorporations with your Victorian-era megacorporations?I wasn't too sure, I just had an image in my head of what that universe could look like. I'm probably going to use the aesthetic I imagined for it in WMIT. I imagine computers not being nearly as popular ITTL and the Wagon Queen Family Truckster is probably going to be all the rage among car owners.
speaking about the 80s, are you going to infuse the worse of 80s megacorporations with your Victorian-era megacorporations?
I think the main problem with a Madness HOI4 mod is that the only realistic possible future for it is nuclear annihilation. And every single faction are various brands of insane scumbag. It'd just be no fun to play, IMO, without some more moral options.
Then again, I'm a big fan of Kaiserreich, and believe that its approach (where pretty much every nation has options of varying morality and even the Obviously Evil states at game start can be overthrown or replaced by less awful regimes) is by far the best experience of any grand strategy game.
Faster than you can say "Win one for the Gipper!" America is oddly capitalism unhinged, and yet also socialist. It's amusing
...on the flip side, Victorian Britain's metropole was a democracy. A corrupt and flawed one, but still a democracy. Napoleonic Europe is just autocracy with nominal protections for minorities and shiny shoes. And all the colonialism and scummy associated crap of OTL.EDIT: Also, the Bonapartes ITTL so far are not much worse than Victorian Britain was OTL. They're about the same, moral-wise. Of course, they obliterated Catalonia, but they aren't still quite past redeemable territory. If Napoleon V is a sane person or an enlightened despot and his successors aren't genocidal madmen, they could achieve, essentially, present-day Britain status (with a bit of the ol' absolutism still there, but not utilized for fear of revolt) ... if the world lasts until present day.