"What Madness Is This?" Redux: The Union Forever

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  1. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    I wasn't too sure, I just had an image in my head of what that universe could look like. I'm probably going to use the aesthetic I imagined for it in WMIT. I imagine computers not being nearly as popular ITTL and the Wagon Queen Family Truckster is probably going to be all the rage among car owners.

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  2. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I think the main problem with a Madness HOI4 mod is that the only realistic possible future for it is nuclear annihilation. And every single faction are various brands of insane scumbag. It'd just be no fun to play, IMO, without some more moral options.

    Then again, I'm a big fan of Kaiserreich, and believe that its approach (where pretty much every nation has options of varying morality and even the Obviously Evil states at game start can be overthrown or replaced by less awful regimes) is by far the best experience of any grand strategy game.
     
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    the 70s! the time where all the good of the 60s party too hard and had such a bad hangover that everyone decides to go ultra conservative in the 80s and decide to never go back to that era again. speaking about the 80s, are you going to infuse the worse of 80s megacorporations with your Victorian-era megacorporations?
     
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    Faster than you can say "Win one for the Gipper!" America is oddly capitalism unhinged, and yet also socialist. It's amusing.

    Of course, canon could be tweaked for gameplay purposes. If one averts the Illuminists from banning all religion they become nutty white hats. If Theodore Roosevelt overthrows Steele, one could easily imagine him being a possible democratic answer, especially since ITTL he wanted a free and fair election like "two gentlemen" before he was unceremoniously shot. Also, if the RU loses a war, essentially the entire AFC framework falls to pieces and civil war would almost certainly break out. The Southron states would likely try to form Columbia while the west gets overrun with a Californian superstate. Other states probably become their own nations with their own governors seizing absolute power to keep order. There's potential.

    You could even think the objective is "Fix the world. PLEASE. WE'RE BEGGING YOU."

    EDIT: Also, the Bonapartes ITTL so far are not much worse than Victorian Britain was OTL. They're about the same, moral-wise. Of course, they obliterated Catalonia, but they aren't still quite past redeemable territory. If Napoleon V is a sane person or an enlightened despot and his successors aren't genocidal madmen, they could achieve, essentially, present-day Britain status (with a bit of the ol' absolutism still there, but not utilized for fear of revolt) ... if the world lasts until present day.
     
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    so for the 60s, will there be inferior race wars and inferior version of the black panthers? also since the 70s are going to be nightmare parodies will there be oil crises and economic malaise that likes of which no man or god has seen before!
     
  6. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    ...on the flip side, Victorian Britain's metropole was a democracy. A corrupt and flawed one, but still a democracy. Napoleonic Europe is just autocracy with nominal protections for minorities and shiny shoes. And all the colonialism and scummy associated crap of OTL.

    I dunno. I just don't want to play a game where the only option is psychopathic fascism, I guess.
     
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    That's why a gameplay choice could be to reform the Empire. Napoleon IV has been the only "cruel" Caesar, the rest just being typical Victorian monarchs with more autocratic airs. It would be easy to fix the system and unite Catholic Europe into a superstate EU with a parliament and a nominally-figureheaded monarch. Also, Napoleon IV's reign has been so disastrous that much of Caesar's power will likely indeed be checked in the future. The chapter I'm writing right now will talk about the "Why Generation," an era of dazed and wounded people wondering why their lives have to be so horrific, and many point the blame sorely at Napoleon, who knew since he took power that he would lead a total war. It was his freaking goal. It just definitely did not turn out like he had wanted. Just because Europa secured the Middle East and India doesn't make up for the fact that N and S America and the Bund are lost, not to mention half of Australia. The post-war era is going to be VERY unpleasant.


    I'll reveal aesthetic, but not true plot. *dashes off to cave to write more*
     
  8. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Fair enough. I still don't really like the idea all that much, because I see Europa as fundamentally broken on a structural level, unable to even keep its most basic promises to its own citizens. I'd rather see it completely replaced by something decent.
     
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    since the AU is socialist, I hope their eco green as well.
     
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    *Perrault whispers* WHO IS YOUR DADDY, EUROPE? *Constitutions in decent morality*

    Even Hitler loved animals. I have considered this idea before. Unchecked capitalism, but they don't want to kill the environment and they don't let Betters starve to death if unemployed.
     
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    but with that RU twist to ecofascism?
     
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    This post was edited for un-Carolinian thought by your friendly local Office of Public Virtue!

    Unrelated to said editing of unpatriotic thought, but with Germany going Illuminati I could totally see some Carolinian Chancellor eyeing up German Africa. Resource rich, far from the imperial center, and depending on the brutality of German colonial policy, already partially ethnically cleansed. Especially since their chunk of Africa is wedged between very hostile Europan territory, and Dutch South Africa. Unless the Dutch fall to Illuminism, I see them going to join the Yankees.

    *Begins drawing arbitrary colonial borders in Carolinian*
     
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    Plot twist: Korea will become ITTL's version of imperial Japan with a bit of North Korea thrown in the mix. It will probably start a series of invasions whose level of violence will make the Immolation of Mexico look tame in comparison.

    Also i have decided to stop sleeping so i can read the updates immediately after they are posted
     
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    There's a big one comin' right now. lol We get a first look at the chaos that Europe is in following the end of the war. I don't know if I've ever wrote about such a circumstance before and it's interesting. One line I like in particular that I've already written is a Nassau citizen screaming "Where is my son? Where is my home? Where is my bread?" as the Prince's motorcade passes.
     
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    I think Persia is closed we gonna get to Japan
     
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    Personally i think that right now Persia is similar to Egypt from 0.1: it is an expansionistic empire but unlike the RU and France isn't genocidal
     
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    Not much worse than the popular American conception of them where everyone except America was an autocracy, perhaps. Not much worse than the reality? I don't think that's at all true, I'm afraid.

    The OTL Victorian-era Western European powers were nowhere near as hideously autocratic as you have made Europa. In the latter half of the century, 19th-century Britain, 19th-century France and 19th-century Germany all had democratically elected parliaments - not with full universal suffrage, yet, but there were powerful democratic forces in those countries - democratic elections, aristocratic and monarchical power mainly declining, and an increasingly free press - and their power was steadily growing. There was imperialism too; obviously that's an awful thing; and I do think that the racism of the imperialist/colonialist consensus was the main seed of fascism. But it's historically ignorant to only focus on that one side of it, the imperialist side, and ignore the trends to the contrary. The seed of OTL European democracy was also there, and it was entrenched, and sprouting towards spring. That was true in OTL Britain and OTL France and OTL Germany.

    The Madness-verse "Empire of Europa" is far worse. It's got all the same imperialist shit as the OTL 19th-century Western European countries, but none of the growing democracy. We never hear about a Europan parliament; only the Emperor matters, and there are strong emperors and weak emperors, as if it's the 17th century, as if that mattered. Monarchs in England haven't been as powerful as the Napoleons since long before the USA even existed. The aristocratic and monarchical forces that were greatly weakened in OTL 19th-century Western Europe -- everything that Western European democrats hated -- are still dominant in your ATL Napoleonic Empire, as you've written it. You can retcon that if you please, but that's definitely what your text has said.

    The Empire of Europa isn't akin to the nations of Western Europe in the OTL Victorian era. Since Europa has a still-very-powerful monarchy, a strong aristocracy, a pervasive police state, it doesn't resemble Victorian Britain or the Kaisers' Germany or the Third Republic in France (though perhaps it resembles the pop-history conception of them, according to which e.g. Wilhelm II was actually in charge); in the facts of its political system, it has a far stronger resemblance to Tsarist Russia. OTL Western Europeans in this era looked down on the sort of backward reactionary autocracy that the ATL Empire of Europa blatantly is.
     
  18. Threadmarks: POST-WAR EUROPE: SOUTHERN GERMANY

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    Many soldiers, like these of the 11th Brandenburg Foot Regiment, would come home with lasting scars, both mental and physical.

    Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
    Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
    There is music in the midst of desolation
    And a glory that shines upon our tears.

    They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
    Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
    They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
    They fell with their faces to the foe.

    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning
    We will remember them.

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    , by James MacDonald, a Catholic Scotsman who fought in the Dutch Royal Army during the Great World War

    The end of the Great World War finally came in late 1914. Despite their best attempts, the Britannic Union simply could not break through Irish defenses. In the end, a ceasefire was ordered as both sides licked their wounds. While neither side would actually ever sign a peace treaty and the border between the Kingdom of Ireland and the Britannic Union-occupied North Ireland (dubbed the Britannic Militarized Zone) remained on constant high alert, it effectively brought an end to the Great World War. Thanks in part to the Beckie Flu/New Black Death, the war had been, by far, the bloodiest in human history. While the official casualty numbers floated somewhere around 50 million, the actual number was likely closer to 80 million. When the last guns fell silent on December 24, 1914, the world could finally be at peace, if only for a while.

    Out of the burning wreckage and carnage came a new generation, a generation of young boys and men who had left the schoolhouse and factory to fight for their country's honor. Many who never came home desired nothing more than peace and wished no ill on the enemy, but their intrinsic and noble sense of honor forced their hand to fight. Millions of people, millions of potential doctors, scientists, statesmen, and athletes, were all snuffed out like candles in their prime of youth. But the ones who survived suffered as well, if not sometimes more. In places like the Rheinbund, soldiers came home to find their country itself gone. Denmark had vanished. Hungary was unrecognizable. Others came home to find themselves in a foreign country, like Ruthenia and Grand Serbia. Since the first proxy wars in Greece, Europeans had spent the last decade and then some fighting and killing, giving their all for their fatherlands.

    The amount of handicapped and disabled victims the war produced was truly horrific. Lost limbs, even missing chunks of face or skull, were far from uncommon. Soldiers, unable to work because of their missing limbs, sat outside taverns and storefronts, begging for change or a scrap of food. Many were blind or deaf or both. But while the general public felt bad for these heroes, men who had usually only followed orders, the truth was that the European civilian had barely suffered any lighter a fate. From the anthrax nightmare in the English Channel, to the starving Irish, to the fish shortages, to the workers strikes and riots, from the breadlines and overflowing graveyards, loaded with the corpses of plague victims, the everyday man, woman, and child was also scarred for life. Millions of people, just ordinary citizens, had been killed in the war. In fact, about 28 percent of all war casualties were civilian, and around 50% if the ridiculously awful Russian casualty statistics were removed from the equation. The number was much higher if counting Indian deaths, but the subcontinent saw little combat but bore the brunt of the New Black Death because of poor sanitation and overcrowding. Over 30 percent of India was wiped out.

    For every advance made by one side or another, normal people paid the price in blood. Factories were deliberately targeted, but many people simply were unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was routine to hear of a loved one's death by random artillery bombardment, especially on the Eastern Front and along the Rhine. As the war drew to an end, people realized they had to pick up their lives out of the gutter and start actually going back to some sort of normality. Many were unable to deal with the trauma. Suicide statistics from this period following the war are truly unbelievable, with people unable to deal with loss or the horrors of war simply giving up. The world of the Pax Napoleonica - a world which, aside from North America and the Middle East, had seen lasting peace for a century - had been turned upside down. The promise of a brighter future that their ancestors had hoped for seemed gone. The "Last Generation of Imperial Grandeur," the generation that had lived in the tail-end of the 19th century, gave way to the Lost Generation. A generation of men, women, and children who only could look back and see the obvious follies of those who had came before. Art and literature, formerly exciting and adventurous, became grim, dark, and ingrained with a sense of deep, horrible loss, of a kind never experienced by humans before. The last century had seen glorious wars with solid outcomes, a century of brightly-dressed hussars and musketeers marching home triumphantly and to the unerring thanks of a grateful nation, whether they won or lost. The 20th century had seen the grinder gun, aeroship, aeroplane, and mechanized total war destabilize a century of progress and kill and maim tens of millions of people. And as Europeans sat back and looked at the outcome of the war, they couldn't help but ask, "Why?"

    This question became another name for the Lost Generation itself, with many calling it the "Why Generation." This era would be the byproduct of what happened when a confusing web of alliances and superstates decided to finally dance the tango of death. While the Pax Napoleonica had been viewed as a great achievement for humanity before, now it was viewed as the long-burning fuse to light the global powderkeg. Even the names of certain events a century prior began to take on new titles. Among them was the era of 1804-15, known as the "Great Wars for the Empire" in Europe and the "Wars of Imperialist Aggression" in America. Now it was being looked upon by historians as, truly, the first global war. Every continent which saw fighting in the Great War for the Empire occurred again in the Great World War of 1911-14. With this thought, most historians began to write about the Great Wars for the Empire as the "First Great World War," shortened to GWWI. Now, the 1911 conflict became known as the "Second Great World War," shortened to GWWII. This was not only a logical conclusion, but also somewhat of a condemnation of the Empire. Where before Europans and French looked back with pride on those early days of the 19th century, now the 20th century bore the fruit of those same conflicts. In Europa, official school texts still used the old names, but the general public began to use the newly popular ones. This sparked outrage among the Imperial government, but they let it slide as they had other things to worry about.

    The main problem, right off the bat, was the loss of the Rheinbund. This was a horrendous blow to Europan industry. However, not all of the Bund was totally lost. Bavaria, Baden, Nassau, and Wurttemberg were left within Europan domination, but they weren't allowed to reunify into a Bund or be annexed into greater France, according to the Versailles Concordat. The end of the war saw almost all German Catholics in the northern Bund, now fully a part of Germania, flee for their lives to the new southern nations. However, overpopulation became a huge concern as so much of the pre-existing housing had been destroyed by the many battles waged in the region. Low food supplies, caused not only by the war but by a poor harvest and so many sick laborers, also contributed to the problem. Hungary was one of the key farming breadbaskets of mainland Europa and now it laid in ruins.

    Nassau, in particular, was a tiny principality ruled by Wilhelm Friedrich of the House of Nassau-Weilburg, and it was almost completely wiped off the map during the war. Wilhelm Friedrich ruled with absolute emergency powers as soon as he dared venture from Paris and back into his own nation. Immediately, tensions between the government and the people were high as refugees arrived and demanded food and housing. One protestor, Ludwig Muller, became famous for breaking down as Wilhelm Friedrich's coach passed, moaning, "Where is my son? Where is my home? Where is my bread? I named my son after you, you bastard!" Riot police had to stand ready around what remained of the Princely Palace in Frankfurt day and night as starving citizens clashed around the clock. With chants of "Bonapartist lackey!" and "Down with the coward who let the enemy defile our home!", the citizens of Nassau gathered and demanded the ousting of the Prince. With no confidence left in their monarch, the Army, under General Ludwig von Stein, seized power and sent the Prince into exile in Paris once again. Von Stein announced on September 1, 1914, that he would restore the country to its former glory and called upon his countrymen to help him rebuild. Immediately after, he began a plan for rebuilding the economy and nation. He would become incredibly popular with the people for of his willingness to come into villages himself and help with repairs and the building of homes. The removal of the House of Nassau-Weilberg was extremely unpopular with the Imperial Europan government, as they had controlled the princes since 1806, but it decided to not send troops in to reinstate the puppet prince. But it also could not sever relations with Nassau without risking its control over the other South German states. Thus, the Free State of Nassau was born.

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    Meanwhile, the Grand Duchy of Baden was now a sovereign nation of some two million people under Grand Duke Karl Friedrich II, the great-grandson of Stéphanie Louise Adrienne de Beauharnais, Napoleon the Great's stepdaughter. His story was different from the ill-fated Prince of Nassau, and he had remained present during the thickest of the fighting and personally led military offensives. The defense of the southern region of the Bund was largely thanks to his strategic mind. He also had been wary of war for many years, and the Grand Duke had years of grain and supplies stored away in his capital of Karlsruhe which he now distributed to the relief effort. He also welcomed the Catholic refugees of North Germany and spoke to his people on the talkiebox, or "radio" as the Europeans called it, giving words of encouragement and hope.

    "People of Baden! Proud patriots all! The Grand Duchy did not ask for war, but we fought valiantly and with all the strength God gave us. We never fell, though the Bund may have. We have lost many sons, brothers, and fathers, but all is not lost. We still stand strong, united under one banner, in the hopes of a brighter future! Together, Baden will rise to the occasion, as we have for so many centuries, and we shall live to see a better tomorrow! Long live Baden! Long live the Fatherland!"

    - Grand Duke Karl Friedrich II's address to the people, June 2, 1914


    Always wise, Karl Friedrich II oversaw the drafting of a constitution which limited his own power and created a parliament and prime minister position. This was an outstanding move and greatly limited clamor for reform in Baden after its adoption on December 1, 1914. The Grand Duke was an inspirational figure of the post-War era, and Baden did indeed recover and welcome many thousands of Catholic refugees. By 1915, Baden was sending in crews and architects into Nassau to help rebuild the cities there. When he passed away in 1920, leaving the title to his son Karl Friedrich III, he was honored with the title of Karl Friedrich II the Great. His funeral was huge, with thousands of his loyal veterans from the war bearing his casket aloft through the streets of Karlsruhe. Baden faced the uncertain world strong and resilient, thanks in large part to their monarch's genius and innovation, and with some of the best industrial facilities in Europe. It would also be home to some of the greatest post-War authors, such as Konrad Sauer, author of the immortal classic All Quiet on the Rhinish Front, which chronicled in chilling and stark detail the tribulation and terror of serving on the frontline during the War.

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    In the industrial powerhouse of Wurttemburg, Wilhelm II now reigned as sovereign King. Following the lead of Baden, he established the Wurttemberg Constitution of 1915 a year after the end of the war. Wurttemberg was hit very hard by the conflict and it was the scene of a bitter civil war between the Protestant minority and the Catholic majority. The Protestants largely fled to the north after the Versailles Concordat, but the damage had been done. The Reich had sabotaged much of the factories in the region during the war and had also torn up rail lines. Faced with starving citizens and no way to bring bodies home from the frontlines for burial in their hometowns, Wilhelm II faced a severe threat of a putsch by the military, who viewed him as weak and ineffective during the war. Even if things were a mess back in Paris, Europa still sent in troops to support his rule and eventually the military backed down and agreed to the Constitution of 1915. Otto von Freiburg, a top general during the war, was elected Prime Minister, finally ending absolute rule in the Kingdom for the first time.

    Wilhelm II would not live much longer than the Grand Duke of Baden, dying in 1921 at his palace in Stuttgart. He was succeeded by his daughter and only heir Pauline, who became Queen of Wurttemberg. Pauline was a mild-mannered young woman who cared for people and greatly feared an Illuminist uprising sweeping her nation. She would actually repeal the Constitution for a short period in 1922 after she received news of an Illuminist plot to overthrow the Kingdom. She arrested von Freiburg as an "Illuminati agent" and had him executed on May 2, 1923. She then reinstated the Constitution a month later and held an emergency election for Prime Minister, with von Freiburg replaced with popular statesman and veteran Wolfgang Zeigler. Zeigler was a rabid antisemite who viewed Jews as the "progenitors of Beutelism, Illuminism, and Fascism," and his tenure as prime minister would see an active persecution of Jews culminating in the 1926 Expelling of the Jews from Wurttemberg.

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    Last of the nations formed in Southern Germany from the Versailles Concordat was the powerhouse Kingdom of Bavaria, home of the largest standing army of any of the South German states. Its forces had not only died in the thousands against the Reich but had also participated in the Relief of Budapest, where Bavarian foot soldier Hermann Goering was among the first to follow Adolf Schicklgruber during his heroic charge against the Tsarist forces. Bavaria's King, Rupprecht, served as a Grand Marshal during the Great World War and was absolutely key in securing the stalemate on the Rhinish Front, thus sparing Paris from occupation by the Reich and perhaps total defeat. The people were overwhelmingly Catholic and heavily supported the war effort and High King Franz Josef, and the last heir of Hapsburg fled to Munich with his family following the dissolution of the Rheinbund. With his personal forces accompanying him, Franz Josef was able to safeguard Bavaria after the Versailles Concordat while Rupprecht's Bavarian Royal Army marched to save Budapest. Bavarian forces were present in Bucharest during the signing of the treaty there, guarding the Europan delegates to the peace talk. One Tsarist Romanian general said in an interview years later, "Of all the Europan forces that stood against us at [Budapest], we feared the Bavarians most. They fought like devils. They took to calling themselves the Teufelhunden after that, mocking our fear."

    After the war, there was a large amount of civil unrest as Bavaria took in more refugees than any other South German nation, but the elite Bavarian shock troopers, still bearing the nickname of Teufelhunden, kept Rupprecht in power and prevented Illuminist movements from forming against him. Even after Franz Josef's death in 1920 and the Hapsburg family's return to Vienna, the Teufelhunden cracked down hard on political dissidents and anti-war publications as "anarchist subversion." In 1925, a brief movement to ratify a constitution was taken up by protestors, but the Teufelhunden cracked the whip and shut down the rallies. By the late '20s, Bavaria was essentially a Catholic police state with very little freedom for non-Catholics or any who opposed the King. The capital of Munich would also see the birth of the Anti-Illuminist Society, a group of movers and shakers from within, and later from without, who sought to quash the Illuminist movement by any means necessary and uphold traditional Bavarian monarchist values. Among the first members was none other than veteran and professional Teufelhund, Hermann Goering.

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    I wasn't really referring to their system of government, but rather their actual acts. I haven't described them as deliberately massacring colonial peoples or going and genociding any ethnicity. In fact, while there is an entrenched aristocracy, it is still somewhat of a meritocracy, with ordinary men rising through the ranks, and I've shown before that Prime Ministers have some pull. While the secret police do patrol for "anarchist subversion," I haven't described them as killing their political opponents or the like. I didn't mean they actually are equivalent to Victorian Britain, or even based on them, but their moral standards as far as treatment of subjects are more comparable enough to make sense in my offhanded remark. They believe in the White Man's Burden and all the rest. But I deliberately haven't shown them as being bloody tyrants to their own people until Napoleon IV. They're not good guys, but they're not absolute villains either. They also have kept Ireland from falling and held back the League. They unarguably committed some war crimes in Holland, but Holland had also basically caused the war. Catalonia was firebombed, but that was also at the same time as most of the government was contemplating overthrowing the Caesar himself and he was a dying paranoid lunatic.
     
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    Maybe Joe Steele will tell them to move to the Republican Union? Considering Jews are considered first class citiziens in North America, i wouldn't be surprised if the european jewish comunity started moving en masse to the RU.
    Also Sunday will probably cite this persecution as another example of the inferiority of the Europeans.
     
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