"What Madness Is This?" Redux: The Union Forever

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Napoleon53, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. John Spangler A man of wealth and taste

    Nov 14, 2013
    Somewhere in Southern Italy
    Speaking of which, what happened to the Bourbons?
    Simeon and halfcoop like this.
  2. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

    Nov 19, 2014
    Oxford University
    Also totally agree with @Diagram do it again King Dominic

    Dominic "Inferiors get the lethal vax, Anglos get the anthrax" Bonaparte

    Dominic "Anthrax devastation of the Anglo-American nations" Bonaparte

    Dominic "Let them eat fish, because karma's a bitch" Bonaparte

    Unironically, though, IMO the Irish are justified. Churchill sowed the wind, let him reap the whirlwind.
  3. BigBlueBox Well-Known Member

    Jun 21, 2017
    Southern California
    I’m getting a strong feeling that when Europa is knocked out the victors will immediately turn on each other. It’s also possible the Mad Tsar will have make a good decision for once in his reign and make a separate peace with Europa once Hungary and the Balkans fall so that he can consolidate his gains and let Nordreich and Persia bleed themselves dry against Europa.
  4. halfcoop Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2016
    They did run off didn’t they.
  5. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    I'm sure the ORRA gave them very tender care.
  6. raffaele gaggioli Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2017
    I suspect that Ethiopia is the next territory that is going to rebell against France.
    Not only it is simply a puppet of France rather than a colony, meaning that it already has a functional army, but ,considering the situation on the continent, it is unlikely that Europa can actually intervene against an eventual rebellion.
  7. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    I'll say it again, the Ethiopian Church has Orthodox in the name, can anyone say League of the Four Tsars? Beta Israel might have to watch it's step though.
  8. raffaele gaggioli Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2017
    If this happens, i can easily see Victor going around screaming that he is a better mongolian warlord than Gengis Khan himself because his power has managed to reach Africa
  9. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    I'm somehow even more into the idea than I was 15 minutes ago!
  10. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

    Aug 19, 2016
    The French ones are probably, in a dramatic irony, in the Nordreich.
  11. raffaele gaggioli Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2017
    Well, at least they are probably going to get their kingdom back soon. At least the part that ends up under the Central Powers' controll
  12. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    Could we see at least a rhetorical return to "Frankish" identity, as a way of coping with being a French successor state under the German aegis?
  13. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

    Aug 19, 2016
    Maybe the Central Powers imposing a "Bourbon Restoration" on France could be how the Central Powers fall out with the RU/Fascist Bloc?
  14. Ameroboto Deep State Bad Hombre

    Jan 20, 2014
    Central City, Amestris
    Say, what is the exact number of RU states and territories up to this point?
  15. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    I was wondering something similar. As an aside, given the fascist governmental structure, I think the only real difference between the two categories would be the nature of the governor. I would presume that the governor of a state would either be elected by the people of the state (and approved or vetoed by the Atheling) or directly appointed by the Atheling from the grandees of the local population, while a territorial governor would be brought in and installed from outside the territory (to ensure loyalty) with no serious input from the citizenry.
  16. AeroTheZealousOne Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint!

    Jul 6, 2017
    Ohio, Socialist Republic of America
    Tiocfaidh bhur lá, Eire! I mean, fight fire with fire at this point.

    Beutelists, Egoists, Illuminati, and Eduists: "Down with the evil proletarian fascist Americans!"

    New United States, 20XX: All of Earth belongs to God's Chosen People! We have over two hundred states named after our nation's greatest heroes! Shall I take you to Grand Carolina, or perhaps Steeleland?
  17. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    I just remember when the MDP got started in 1.0 they flew American flags with a variable number of stars to represent "rightful Union land" and it's mentioned the most over the top had fifty stars and it made me think of four of those flags, one tacked on to the other.

    Actually, that reminds me how much I enjoyed that the Party in 1.0 essentially used alternate history maps as a propaganda tactic, and I wonder if there's a cottage industry in the Union's academia that does nothing but design revanchist maps about the "true Pinnacle Anglo-Saxon design of Jehovah's Creation" as some sort of really convoluted psyop.

    *Edit- As a matter of historiography, would there be some cross-pollination of the Atlantis and Avalon myths as some sort of legendary homeland of the Pinnacle Man? I only mention it because a lot of the modern ideas about Atlantis stem from a book written by an American Congressman in OTL.
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  18. Diagram Well-Known Member

    Aug 29, 2015
    My enjoyment of this TL has been hurt a bit by the complete collapse of Europa, the sheer amount of dysfunction needed for the combined industrial and manpower capabilities of Catholic Europe to not roll over Prussia and most of Russia like its 1942 have to be immense and I don't feel like I was informed of them sufficiently. This is especially confusing when the Netherlands and Russia, states that should be as overextended as Europa seem to be doing just fine.

    Considering the fact that the Tsars have been historically dependent on the nobility to manage their massive Empire, Russia should have been a rather more delicate construction than it was IRL due to Viktor wiping out much of the nobility. Prussia, divested of the Rhine should have had a lot of difficulty getting enough industry to challenge Europa.

    The biggest problem I have, is that the Europans seem to want to lose, there is a deep malaise and cowardice which is crippling Europa and I don't know what is causing it. Where are the millions of Catholic fanatics ready to fight a new Baltic Crusade? How are the most industrialised and populous parts of Europe being beaten this badly?

    I have honestly no idea anymore how to calculate the given strength of any faction. This shouldn't happen, but I honestly see the French Buetalists getting a memetic badass and 10 million angry Frenchmen finally getting off their asses so that the Germans don't just occupy all of western Europe like they should be able to.

    I don't know, maybe Charles de Gaulle could appear, although to be fair the man was always a bit to sane to fit into a dystopia.
  19. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2015
    We could always change that! Say hello to First Comrade de Gaulle of the Mediterranean Beutelist Commune!
  20. SuperZtar64 Lord Protector of the New Commonwealth

    Mar 6, 2017
    Cathedral of Christ, Boston, New Commonwealth
    Lemme see if I can do it from memory...
    1. Delaware
    2. New Jersey
    3. Massachusetts
    4. Connecticut
    5. Rhode island
    6. New Hampshire
    7. Vermont
    8. Nova Scotia
    9. Ontario
    10. New York
    11. Pennsylvania
    12. Burrland
    13. Appalachia
    14. Ohio
    15. Iowai
    16. Chersonesus
    17. Michigania
    18. Redemption
    19. Dakota
    20. Oregon
    21. Osage
    22. Lewisland
    23. Mississippi
    24. Texas
    25. Bulloch
    26. Florida
    27. Georgia
    28. Columbiana
    29. Georgia?/Peachtree?
    30. Lewisiana
    31. Oaxacre
    32. Grand Panama
    33. Brown
    34.-37?? The other Mexican states idk

    Around 37 states, for territories there's Cuba, Goodyear islands, and the Pacific islands.

    Oh, and Liberia. Unless that's already a state...?