What if the the South had been allowed less autonomy?

This is both a pre 1900 but also a post 1900 debate.

What if Congress had come to a conclusion post civil war that states like Alabama, Georgia were unable to govern themselves? And they by 1920s still were under direct rule from Washington. How would this have effected 20s century U.S?

While mass-immigration from the Nothern states to the other parts of the South had been encouraged?
 
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kholieken

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They would need maintain army in South to enforce Congress will, and public support for army maintenance.

Politically that would means Republican party dominance in US politics. And pro-railroad and pro-industry policy.
 
They would need maintain army in South to enforce Congress will, and public support for army maintenance.
That's the sticking point, really. On paper they already did that for a better part of a decade.

And even then we were having massacres in Louisiana and Tennessee and straight up stolen elections.
 
They would need maintain army in South to enforce Congress will, and public support for army maintenance.

Politically that would means Republican party dominance in US politics. And pro-railroad and pro-industry policy.


Until the GOP split in two on account of not having any opposition to hold it together.
 

manav95

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Until the GOP split in two on account of not having any opposition to hold it together.

The Socialist Party gains in the North among industrial workers and merges with Northern Democrats a la Minnesota's DFL. This would provide a more left wing opposition than the New Deal Democrats from the North. In the South, they would still want elections of some sort at the local level. The Democrats will still contest these elections, but Socialists would provide actual opposition by courting the black vote and poor whites who didn't feel the need to maintain racial hegemony over their black neighbors.
 
Until the GOP split in two on account of not having any opposition to hold it together.

Yes, but there can also be electoral consensuses across parties. See the grand coalition in Slovakia immediately after the divorce that quite literally banded all parties together to insure the communists could not get into power. To a similar degree, look at the consensus among German parties to have a minimum seats threshold in parliament that is a nice buffer above the threshold of overt nazi support.

In this scenario of course the Republicans would split, but there’d be little disagreement about how to govern the south if the mood is this anti-southern.

Long term, you’d see at least Irish Troubles levels of insurgency in the south throughout the decades.

I think you’d need some really crazy POD like Davis ordering DC to be sacked and all Federal elected officials hanged for treason (didn’t say it’s logical) or worse still, enslaved themselves, especially all southerners fighting for the north, and the Confederacy going along with it. Then the North after getting over its shock would go on an Open Season steamroller.
 
There would be new rebels in South if they can't be totally equal with North. Reducing autonomy of Southern States would be quiet idiotic move.
 
Well if the North is still having to hold down the South then there will no US interest in foreign affairs and no US involvement in either world war or China.
 
There would be new rebels in South if they can't be totally equal with North. Reducing autonomy of Southern States would be quiet idiotic move.
There already were new rebels. People were going around genociding former slaves with absolute impunity - and this is when AJ was treating the former Rebs with kid gloves.

Part of the problem with Reconstruction is the split among the winners - those that just wanted status quo and prevent further treason (“I’ll make treason odious” or summat - Andrew Johnson) versus those who saw a moral imperative to provide rights to African Americans since we had already freed them and made them citizens.
 
I see people are considering very broad options. I think there is no way a different deal for the South versus the North and west can be sustained.

But a more radical approach might work. Some here are situating the revision much later than the Reconstruction era and that is worth consideration. Staying focused on the slavery crisis as the crux of change, suppose that prior to when this crisis breaks, which might be a bit earlier than 1860 and might be somewhat later, another major discontent arises, which is dissatisfaction with the basic federal framework which some, especially before the Civil War OTL, construed as the USA being a federation of sovereign and fairly large republics.

I'm tentatively labeling an alternative "communalist republicanism." The operational concept being that while distinct communities are generally too small by far to be sustainable sovereign states, the inherited colonial framework provided sovereign republics (not really in my analysis, but this was the general consensus of what the states forming the USA were) that were in fact too large already, even the smallest, to be properly democratically governed. The concept then is to do away with the states completely, and rewrite the Constitution for a single United State of America that alone holds sovereignty for its citizens in the Westphalian sense. Unlike Hamilton's concept of a centrally governed single American state however, it is subdivided into autonomous coherent communities. Each community has devolved to it sweeping, extensive local power, checked and governed by federal oversight to guarantee equal protection and coordinate the communities for general welfare. The USA alone has power of war and peace for instance, but communities are expected to raise and maintain militias organized at the federal level into a coherent national army and navy--presumably by means of citizen levy to universal low grade military training and organization of communal militia every adult male has done service in, and maintaining a smaller core of professional military subject to federal organization and orders but routinely maintained according to national standards by each community, with general federal taxation pooling resources so poorer communities are subsidized. For many practical purposes the communities are self-governing and autonomous, empowered to join in multilateral regional compacts with Congressional oversight and approval. A formula for determining how citizens of diverse communities of various sizes shall be represented proportional to population will be developed, allowing very small communities (in population, some communal boundaries might be quite expansive in low population density zones, though a geographic limit to radius based on pragmatic considerations of how well citizens located peripherally might be able to communicate promptly with the communal governmental seat) and very large ones (again, pragmatic limits will mandate that very large dense cities be broken up into distinct boroughs with some federal compact providing the necessary coordination) to be fairly represented in Congress. (Perhaps a principle dear to my heart, proportional representation, an idea becoming current OTL in the later 19th century, might be applied in a mixed fashion with the district principle to smooth over disproportionalities that might arise from a simple idea like "each community gets one Representative, allowing small population communities spanning a large area to be grouped together for a single Representative while large population communities have several--electing say a third or half the House by national PR, or rather as makeup members balancing the outcomes of district winners for overall proportionality by party provides equal protection for all).

To remain focused on essentially an ATL Reconstruction era, presumably a series of crises and rising radical reform ideologies shake down into whatever party takes the role of the Republican party--call it the Communal-Republican Party--adopts as part of its eclectic reformist platform the call to abolish the states and rewrite the Constitution around this concept. The CRs are not in a position to implement it prior to 1861 assuming a similar timeframe to OTL; the Democrats, especially Southern ones, are opposed on this with a State's Rights ideology. But the idea has enough broad currency and sympathy in the North and West that when the Southern states secede as OTL, the radical agenda of reconfiguring the whole USA on these lines finds the way open. Perhaps Lincoln or some ATL person in his role postpones this massive reorganization until after the secession crisis is resolved, but the Civil War might also be taken as an opportunity to start doing it; step one being to identify and organize the communal boundaries; these will mostly be formed within the separate state territories but notable instances of unions, either fusing twin communities formerly on opposite sides of state lines, or forming regional compacts of communities that cross former state lines, will be much noted and by advocates, celebrated. The new Union is of course legally distinct from the old USA but it claims to be the successor state to that, in fact to be the same nation just with a new Constitution. And thus to have the sovereign right to include the South, which per Lincoln OTL simply had no right to secede in the first place. Thus the conundrum of OTL--shall the old states, in line with Lincoln's logic that the so-called Confederacy and its claimants to state governments were actually a criminal conspiracy in rebellion but therefore the states were still extant and integral to the USA, its citizens never alienated from US citizenship, and therefore had urgent rights to be reincorporated into the Constitutional frame just as soon as the actual rebels were put down, versus the eventual Radical Republican assertion they were now conquered territories with the admission of any states that they might approve being subject to satisfying their conditions, would be sidestepped since the entire nation is now under process of reconstruction on the communal basis.

Thus, Reconstruction of the South is largely a matter of giving a large portion of the African American freedman population their own distinct communities in which they rule by majority, each maintaining their own police and militias as well as other institutions such as public schools, and are able per standard formulas to elect members of Congress and the President. White supremacists who resent this will have to an extent the compensation of forming white-dominated communities they control, with the understanding that they cannot compel African Americans to remain under their jurisdiction against their will--the outcome might be that quite a few African Americans remain effectively disfranchised and second class but only insofar as they do not choose to vote with their feet, and outrageous terrorism against them is probably checked by the consideration they could leave, and that the states no longer exist to protect white supremacists bailiwicks against Federal investigation and intervention. Thus the tenure of standing Union armies enforcing Reconstruction might be brief and their level limited, assuming as I would that African American communities are capable of organizing well enough to do the heavy lifting of providing the necessary balance of power. Congress would be sure to be composed in fair proportion of African American representatives after this--maybe not fully in proportion, if large numbers remain resident in "white" dominated communities that disfranchise them or anyway won't elect "black" representatives, but this is always in their power to remedy various ways, especially if Congress is elected by proportional principles. It might prove expedient to provide for extraterritorial membership in communities, so that people who cannot or will not want to vote in communities they geographically still choose to reside in can vote in one they like better.

In addition to the basic Reconstruction problem, such a radical reform might be popular among settlers in Territories, who OTL had to wait until their territory was admitted as a state to get national representation, whereas recognizing settler communities as sufficiently well populated and organized to be admitted under the standard frame might be much more rapid and also less controversial. In fact a general principle that all citizens have a right to vote for Congress and President would probably prevail, providing fair representation by population to the residents of territories not yet organized into communities.

Constitutionally, I can see several approaches to the obvious problem about what to do about the Senate, whose very premise for existing as well as standard mechanism of selection has been quite done away with. Possibly by the time of the crisis Americans will have concluded a bicameral Congress is simply unnecessary, and abolish it completely in favor of a unicameral popularly elected House. If they think a smaller body of long tenure with staggered gradual turnover remains important to have, the Constitution could simply establish a fixed number of national Senators, and arrange for their election in three classes by some means. One might be to try to carry over the concept of the former philosophy "Senate represents the States" by dividing up the communities into geographic tracts of fairly equal population, reorganized each Census, and devolving the question of how to elect them to a compact of the communal governments in each. If the mixed-member proportional epiphany I hope would apply to the House were in place, perhaps these zones would be fewer in number than the class seats to be filled, and the convention of community delegates gathered at some central place in this electoral bailiwick to choose a Senator is backed up by a popular vote for various parties the various zone candidates identify and additional Senators are thus elected directly via national PR. Say that the zone conference of communal government delegates formally just nominates someone for popular vote approval, and minority alternates also appear on the ballots, with a vote for either the preferred candidate or a rival counting nationally as a vote for a national faction each candidate identifies with. Presumably the one who prevails in the zone conference as darling of a majority or mere plurality of communal governments is fairly popular in more communities than not and wins the plurality for the zone, but a rival might get nearly comparable numbers of votes and thus be elected as a proportionality make up in the larger class to be elected. If we persist in 3 classes, I suppose the idea would be to make the Senate a fixed size, an odd multiple of 3 if they desire an odd number as the House has chosen, or even multiple if they want that--say 96 or 99 to come close to a round hundred. Then the Bureau of the Census which now evaluates the status of the communities and proposes revisions to their boundaries (these are subject also to revision between Census by some Congress-Presidential-community balance of power process) also determines, for a 96 member Senate, 16 temporary divisions of the USA including communities in one or another, so as to arrive at near balance of population, and proposes a meeting place for the delegates from the communities comprising it to congregate to elect or nominate a Senator as the case may be. That elects half the class and the other half is elected by proportional make up, thriftily involving typically elevating second also-rans as the make up members. Thus three classes of 32 members each turn over over six years.

All elections are primarily conducted by the community governments, subject to federal oversight.

With minimal revision of the powers and terms of the President, it would be a simple matter to elect them on the same basis as states elect governors OTL--just hold elections for the office (the pair actually, it is still necessary to have a Vice President) with the communities registering the votes and forwarding the outcomes to the federal government which tallies them all up and determines the popular vote winner nationally.
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POD for this is to have various crises and controversies and reformist movements in response prior to the secession crisis; the issues casting doubt on the wisdom of continuing with the inherited state framework might or might not be connected to the slavery controversy. Prior to the secession crisis nominally assumed to remain in 1860, we could have the communal movement gain traction in specific states and territories such that some states are de facto compacts of communities already. Perhaps part of the dynamic is that SCOTUS, presumably under Taney or someone much like him, rules rather arbitrarily that such organizations are not compatible with the Constitutional stipulation every state must have a "republican" form of government, which might tie the question of adhering to the dignity and power of the states to pro-slavery stances and give communal republicanism a cachet of progressivism and democracy. I envision the period of most of the Civil War to be one in which the old Constitution remains in force, obliging the communalists to conform to old state boundaries and formally elect Federal officers on that basis, but the time table is, 1861-62 the presumptive Lincoln administration does not dare formally propose Constitutional revision due to the crisis outcome being in doubt, but anyway does clean house in SCOTUS and signal to the various states they are free to reorganize on communalist lines immediately, and then after the 1862 elections and clear turns of fortune favoring eventual Union victory, to put a Constitutional convention on the table; at this convention, which will include Unionist delegates from the South, the Communal Republican line prevails; the communal outlines are all ready and in place in time for the election of 1864, and substantial numbers of Southern communities, strategically arranged to favor Republican overall victory of course, participate. Reconstruction then is largely a matter of organizing Southern communities, and persuading those with ideological nostalgia for the state system to accept the new order albeit grudgingly.
 
There would be new rebels in South if they can't be totally equal with North. Reducing autonomy of Southern States would be quiet idiotic move.

"My view, sir is that the people are tired of war, feel themselves whipped and will not fight. Daily men desert in large numbers since Lee's defeat they consider the war as at an end" Joseph E Johnston. The South knew it was whipped and the people were unwilling to fight.

The South fully expected harsh punishment and surrendered anyways. Further resistance was seen as useless and self-defeating. The KKK didn't really take off until it was clear Andrew Johnson didn't give a damn about Free Blacks.
 
I see people are considering very broad options. I think there is no way a different deal for the South versus the North and west can be sustained.

But a more radical approach might work. Some here are situating the revision much later than the Reconstruction era and that is worth consideration. Staying focused on the slavery crisis as the crux of change, suppose that prior to when this crisis breaks, which might be a bit earlier than 1860 and might be somewhat later, another major discontent arises, which is dissatisfaction with the basic federal framework which some, especially before the Civil War OTL, construed as the USA being a federation of sovereign and fairly large republics.

I'm tentatively labeling an alternative "communalist republicanism." The operational concept being that while distinct communities are generally too small by far to be sustainable sovereign states, the inherited colonial framework provided sovereign republics (not really in my analysis, but this was the general consensus of what the states forming the USA were) that were in fact too large already, even the smallest, to be properly democratically governed. The concept then is to do away with the states completely, and rewrite the Constitution for a single United State of America that alone holds sovereignty for its citizens in the Westphalian sense. Unlike Hamilton's concept of a centrally governed single American state however, it is subdivided into autonomous coherent communities. Each community has devolved to it sweeping, extensive local power, checked and governed by federal oversight to guarantee equal protection and coordinate the communities for general welfare. The USA alone has power of war and peace for instance, but communities are expected to raise and maintain militias organized at the federal level into a coherent national army and navy--presumably by means of citizen levy to universal low grade military training and organization of communal militia every adult male has done service in, and maintaining a smaller core of professional military subject to federal organization and orders but routinely maintained according to national standards by each community, with general federal taxation pooling resources so poorer communities are subsidized. For many practical purposes the communities are self-governing and autonomous, empowered to join in multilateral regional compacts with Congressional oversight and approval. A formula for determining how citizens of diverse communities of various sizes shall be represented proportional to population will be developed, allowing very small communities (in population, some communal boundaries might be quite expansive in low population density zones, though a geographic limit to radius based on pragmatic considerations of how well citizens located peripherally might be able to communicate promptly with the communal governmental seat) and very large ones (again, pragmatic limits will mandate that very large dense cities be broken up into distinct boroughs with some federal compact providing the necessary coordination) to be fairly represented in Congress. (Perhaps a principle dear to my heart, proportional representation, an idea becoming current OTL in the later 19th century, might be applied in a mixed fashion with the district principle to smooth over disproportionalities that might arise from a simple idea like "each community gets one Representative, allowing small population communities spanning a large area to be grouped together for a single Representative while large population communities have several--electing say a third or half the House by national PR, or rather as makeup members balancing the outcomes of district winners for overall proportionality by party provides equal protection for all).

To remain focused on essentially an ATL Reconstruction era, presumably a series of crises and rising radical reform ideologies shake down into whatever party takes the role of the Republican party--call it the Communal-Republican Party--adopts as part of its eclectic reformist platform the call to abolish the states and rewrite the Constitution around this concept. The CRs are not in a position to implement it prior to 1861 assuming a similar timeframe to OTL; the Democrats, especially Southern ones, are opposed on this with a State's Rights ideology. But the idea has enough broad currency and sympathy in the North and West that when the Southern states secede as OTL, the radical agenda of reconfiguring the whole USA on these lines finds the way open. Perhaps Lincoln or some ATL person in his role postpones this massive reorganization until after the secession crisis is resolved, but the Civil War might also be taken as an opportunity to start doing it; step one being to identify and organize the communal boundaries; these will mostly be formed within the separate state territories but notable instances of unions, either fusing twin communities formerly on opposite sides of state lines, or forming regional compacts of communities that cross former state lines, will be much noted and by advocates, celebrated. The new Union is of course legally distinct from the old USA but it claims to be the successor state to that, in fact to be the same nation just with a new Constitution. And thus to have the sovereign right to include the South, which per Lincoln OTL simply had no right to secede in the first place. Thus the conundrum of OTL--shall the old states, in line with Lincoln's logic that the so-called Confederacy and its claimants to state governments were actually a criminal conspiracy in rebellion but therefore the states were still extant and integral to the USA, its citizens never alienated from US citizenship, and therefore had urgent rights to be reincorporated into the Constitutional frame just as soon as the actual rebels were put down, versus the eventual Radical Republican assertion they were now conquered territories with the admission of any states that they might approve being subject to satisfying their conditions, would be sidestepped since the entire nation is now under process of reconstruction on the communal basis.

Thus, Reconstruction of the South is largely a matter of giving a large portion of the African American freedman population their own distinct communities in which they rule by majority, each maintaining their own police and militias as well as other institutions such as public schools, and are able per standard formulas to elect members of Congress and the President. White supremacists who resent this will have to an extent the compensation of forming white-dominated communities they control, with the understanding that they cannot compel African Americans to remain under their jurisdiction against their will--the outcome might be that quite a few African Americans remain effectively disfranchised and second class but only insofar as they do not choose to vote with their feet, and outrageous terrorism against them is probably checked by the consideration they could leave, and that the states no longer exist to protect white supremacists bailiwicks against Federal investigation and intervention. Thus the tenure of standing Union armies enforcing Reconstruction might be brief and their level limited, assuming as I would that African American communities are capable of organizing well enough to do the heavy lifting of providing the necessary balance of power. Congress would be sure to be composed in fair proportion of African American representatives after this--maybe not fully in proportion, if large numbers remain resident in "white" dominated communities that disfranchise them or anyway won't elect "black" representatives, but this is always in their power to remedy various ways, especially if Congress is elected by proportional principles. It might prove expedient to provide for extraterritorial membership in communities, so that people who cannot or will not want to vote in communities they geographically still choose to reside in can vote in one they like better.

In addition to the basic Reconstruction problem, such a radical reform might be popular among settlers in Territories, who OTL had to wait until their territory was admitted as a state to get national representation, whereas recognizing settler communities as sufficiently well populated and organized to be admitted under the standard frame might be much more rapid and also less controversial. In fact a general principle that all citizens have a right to vote for Congress and President would probably prevail, providing fair representation by population to the residents of territories not yet organized into communities.

Constitutionally, I can see several approaches to the obvious problem about what to do about the Senate, whose very premise for existing as well as standard mechanism of selection has been quite done away with. Possibly by the time of the crisis Americans will have concluded a bicameral Congress is simply unnecessary, and abolish it completely in favor of a unicameral popularly elected House. If they think a smaller body of long tenure with staggered gradual turnover remains important to have, the Constitution could simply establish a fixed number of national Senators, and arrange for their election in three classes by some means. One might be to try to carry over the concept of the former philosophy "Senate represents the States" by dividing up the communities into geographic tracts of fairly equal population, reorganized each Census, and devolving the question of how to elect them to a compact of the communal governments in each. If the mixed-member proportional epiphany I hope would apply to the House were in place, perhaps these zones would be fewer in number than the class seats to be filled, and the convention of community delegates gathered at some central place in this electoral bailiwick to choose a Senator is backed up by a popular vote for various parties the various zone candidates identify and additional Senators are thus elected directly via national PR. Say that the zone conference of communal government delegates formally just nominates someone for popular vote approval, and minority alternates also appear on the ballots, with a vote for either the preferred candidate or a rival counting nationally as a vote for a national faction each candidate identifies with. Presumably the one who prevails in the zone conference as darling of a majority or mere plurality of communal governments is fairly popular in more communities than not and wins the plurality for the zone, but a rival might get nearly comparable numbers of votes and thus be elected as a proportionality make up in the larger class to be elected. If we persist in 3 classes, I suppose the idea would be to make the Senate a fixed size, an odd multiple of 3 if they desire an odd number as the House has chosen, or even multiple if they want that--say 96 or 99 to come close to a round hundred. Then the Bureau of the Census which now evaluates the status of the communities and proposes revisions to their boundaries (these are subject also to revision between Census by some Congress-Presidential-community balance of power process) also determines, for a 96 member Senate, 16 temporary divisions of the USA including communities in one or another, so as to arrive at near balance of population, and proposes a meeting place for the delegates from the communities comprising it to congregate to elect or nominate a Senator as the case may be. That elects half the class and the other half is elected by proportional make up, thriftily involving typically elevating second also-rans as the make up members. Thus three classes of 32 members each turn over over six years.

All elections are primarily conducted by the community governments, subject to federal oversight.

With minimal revision of the powers and terms of the President, it would be a simple matter to elect them on the same basis as states elect governors OTL--just hold elections for the office (the pair actually, it is still necessary to have a Vice President) with the communities registering the votes and forwarding the outcomes to the federal government which tallies them all up and determines the popular vote winner nationally.
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POD for this is to have various crises and controversies and reformist movements in response prior to the secession crisis; the issues casting doubt on the wisdom of continuing with the inherited state framework might or might not be connected to the slavery controversy. Prior to the secession crisis nominally assumed to remain in 1860, we could have the communal movement gain traction in specific states and territories such that some states are de facto compacts of communities already. Perhaps part of the dynamic is that SCOTUS, presumably under Taney or someone much like him, rules rather arbitrarily that such organizations are not compatible with the Constitutional stipulation every state must have a "republican" form of government, which might tie the question of adhering to the dignity and power of the states to pro-slavery stances and give communal republicanism a cachet of progressivism and democracy. I envision the period of most of the Civil War to be one in which the old Constitution remains in force, obliging the communalists to conform to old state boundaries and formally elect Federal officers on that basis, but the time table is, 1861-62 the presumptive Lincoln administration does not dare formally propose Constitutional revision due to the crisis outcome being in doubt, but anyway does clean house in SCOTUS and signal to the various states they are free to reorganize on communalist lines immediately, and then after the 1862 elections and clear turns of fortune favoring eventual Union victory, to put a Constitutional convention on the table; at this convention, which will include Unionist delegates from the South, the Communal Republican line prevails; the communal outlines are all ready and in place in time for the election of 1864, and substantial numbers of Southern communities, strategically arranged to favor Republican overall victory of course, participate. Reconstruction then is largely a matter of organizing Southern communities, and persuading those with ideological nostalgia for the state system to accept the new order albeit grudgingly.

A good way of making sure that Blacks remain oppressed and make it even easier for secession to succeed and be further divided into little fiefdoms.
 
A good way of making sure that Blacks remain oppressed and make it even easier for secession to succeed and be further divided into little fiefdoms.
Nonsense! Regarding your impression secession would be easier than ever, the communities are individually far too small to be viable nation-states. I mentioned provision for them to form compacts which can de facto unify a coherent government across substantial populations and areas, but everything the communities do is fundamentally subject to Federal regulation. Secession could theoretically happen, if the Federal government were to be captured by a faction hell bent on it, but a faction capable of controlling Congress and the Presidency would be in a position to just run the whole unified country in its interests anyway--why then secede?

I think you are simply assuming that sociological and political facts on the ground OTL must automatically carry over in a different constitutional frame, which generally is a fair heuristic, but this seems also to be applied very selectively--it seems you assume the Reconstruction Amendments don't get made whereas I assume that such provisions as birthright citizenship, the norm of full franchise for all adult males (later to have the threshold age lowered and women also included) regardless of "race, color, creed or previous condition of servitude," and the affirmation of a Federal duty to uphold equal protection under the law, will appear not as amendments but in the main body of the new Constitution itself. But on the contrary you also assume the party line of the Redeemers and subsequent incarnations of Southern and national white supremacy must automatically carry over with the same force and predominance as OTL. But OTL, African American political representation was dependent on their maintaining equal access within state systems, and white supremacists were able to leverage the state machinery of even states with such high AA populations as South Carolina or Louisiana to shut them out of representation on both state and Federal levels, and then move, given the tacit assent of non-Southern regional political blocs to stand back from interfering, and much reinforced by the concept that the states were co-sovereign with the Union and the Federal government needed special justifications to intervene, to systematically impose second class citizenship on its "nonwhite" citizens thus making them subjects.

Here on the other hand, only the Federal government has sovereignty; no community government is immune by default to Federal oversight. That can indeed cut both ways of course and a strongly racist national consensus could have a decimating effect via Congressional fiats on the viability of minority representation and effective self defense--however I detail considerations below why I think that would be unlikely to happen.

To begin with, the specific context of the introduction of this system to the South is the Union dismantling, in the wake of a constitutional convention in 1864, Southern and Northern states alike, and the definition and organization per the new Constitution of the communities. The Union Army will have control on the ground of territory it subdues, and will have found African Americans freed under the Emancipation Proclamation useful auxiliaries, as well as later in the war accepting them as volunteer troops. So they will not fail to establish appropriately coherent African American communities and get them up to speed in constitutional terms, their adult male populations voting both for their local self-government and for representation in Congress by 1866--indeed in the circumstances, it is possible that Representatives will be elected and admitted ad hoc as soon as complexes of communities of sufficient population are organized.

There would then be no state governments, north or south, to do such things as disfranchise African Americans en masse, or devise Black Codes to criminalize them with Catch-22s and thus de facto reenslave them under the rubric of punishment for felonies. The law is Federal law and those adopted by the autonomous communities, including any multilateral compacts among them.

Note that the community territories will not necessarily fill the map of the USA; geographic reach of a community will be determined by the actual economic activities centered on it and regions into which no community systematically reaches in regular operations will revert to Federal territory.

Now of course white-majority communities will be pretty numerous and grasping of territory overall, but their own regulations will only apply to their domains, and someone resident in another community will always have grounds for appealing to federal courts and other extra-community agencies for intervention.

OTL Klan terrorism could strike a black settlement or house and any attempt at recourse via the justice system would have to be made in a courtroom of the state ostensibly including both parties as citizens, but objectively under the control of the same side that committed the offense.

Here many, perhaps most, African American citizens will reside on community territory that is in the jurisdiction of their own people, and the protocols of justice will tend to remand the case to a courtroom in the offended party's jurisdiction. Disputes that involve both white supremacist and African communities would be generally settled in Federal courts. Possibly Congress would permit the formation of regional compact associations that might be permitted benches of their own, as something agreed to and cooperatively maintained by all involved communities, and all this under Federal oversight and potential intervention.

Broadly speaking, the balance of power would enable African American communities to maintain quite a vigorous self defense as a final layer of self protection. Aside from a right, indeed mandate, for each to provide police services, they will have their militias, connected with contingency plans to the Union military command. If African American majority communities come under attack systematically, they have these lines of defense. I presume it will be encoded in law as a matter of course that actual violence of any kind involving community officers beyond normal police work will require some Congressionally overseen review of the events, and endemic ongoing violence demand Federal intervention. So while that is not the same thing as total immunity to systematic terrorism fostered in the white supremacist communities, it is a defense enabling AA communities to withstand it and seek orderly redress in the Federal system, or by coming to agreements locally that effectively suppress this. If the level of terrorism that must be endured is not sufficient to shut down the AA communities, they at any rate endure. Now with new grievances of course.

I trust you are aware of many swathes of territory in the Civil War era South where AA populations predominated demographically, including being a majority in the state of South Carolina, as well as the "Black Belt" across Mississippi, Alabama and I believe reaching into Georgia, and I have recently learned in large sections of Tidewater Virginia. Each of these zones would, despite being salted as it were with white-majority communities, be strongholds of AA autonomy. In the event that US society veers hard into pervasive racism as the norm, it would be possible for AA strongholds, which might also come to include important sections of developing cities, and perhaps zones elsewhere in the Union, to close ranks and react to white apartheid with black self-reliance. I hope separatism would not be the general solution to US racial relations, but it is a viable option and being a potential response, tends to deter support for white supremacist extremism.

Beyond that, the inalienable ability of at least some African American communities to elect members of Congress on their own would promote alliances between African American representatives and "white" ones. It would be quite likely therefore that by the time a decade had elapsed since the surrender of the remaining Confederate authority, quite a lot of politicians at the national level would recognize obligations to these communities, and indeed I think that while considerable strength would remain with the white supremacist position, African Americans would retain allies locally in the South they could not sustain OTL.

Indeed parallel to their position in Congress, and thus probably able to entrench themselves more or less proportionally in federal Executive employment as well, we can expect that the dynamic of racist separatism would tend to penalize bastions of white supremacy. Little would stop AA minorities in such community zones, if they judge themselves underappreciated and ill treated, from voting with their feet and moving--and a ready answer to anyone who bemoans the plight of white people "trapped" in AA majority communities will be that if they can't really abide it they too can leave. Although any dominant class tends to discount and disparage the degree to which general prosperity depends on their underclasses, the fact is much Southern economic potential comes from the employment of "black" labor, and if the citizens in question are motivated to up stakes and move to a reasonably nearby (or distant) AA bastion, or just someplace with white majorities who are more reasonable, they will suffer a serious labor drain, while communities and regions where more tolerant, accepting, even perhaps not too long after embracing attitudes to AA citizens develop instead, will be more prosperous and tend to set the tone for regional norms across the board. This is my major hope of course, that gradually the South will move toward racial inclusion. It is not necessary this happens everywhere for it to take root as an alternative narrative to the stories white supremacists tell, giving them the lie.

The more bailiwicks there are in which African Americans, and other disparaged minorities, are masters in their own house, the more a general penumbra of protection in consideration of overall national balance of power there is even to isolated minority communities in a region of "white" dominated communities, and even to individuals resident in such communities.

Therefore I doubt very much that such a United State of America would mirror the trajectory of Jim Crow too closely. It might be exactly as bad as OTL in some bailiwicks, but the general cover for extremism on these fronts given by Redeemers and their successors being able to seize control of state machinery and impose their order wholesale on entire regions would be quite badly eroded, tipping the balance of skepticism against OTL allies who, if only by neutral default, permitted them to have their reign of terror unchecked. National institutions might indeed be more biased against African Americans and other minorities than they ought to be, but every minority community will manage to have certain bastions in which they set the norms, and these I predict will in turn foster tolerant mixed communities and cosmopolitan ones. Extremist white supremacist communities would, far from establishing themselves as the benchmark of normal national policy as OTL, tend to be isolated and marginal in influence, and under considerable pressure to reconsider their positions.

OTL Jim Crow among many other things impeded travel for African Americans and other discriminated against minorities, and I believe this remains a problem today. It will be an obvious necessity, which a Republican dominated Federal regime that has just fought and won the Civil War will recognize and provide for, to guarantee rights of transit, to give at least limited protection to travelers who don't intrude too deeply into even quite hostile communities on the way. Again the ultimate judges of this will be Federal officials, the Federal courts and Congress as arbiter of community charters and compacts.

The Federal judiciary will have to be much expanded; to some extent the work formerly done by state court systems will be taken up by community courts, but the balance that is not will have to be folded over to the Federal system. I suppose the number of Federal Circuits would be much increased, and the suddenly unemployed state justices will be recruited and approved en masse to fill the new Federal benches. At least, in the particular proposed TL, this happens in the North and West, but the South in rebellion will have discredited their former state judges by their collusion with secessionism, and the invading and occupying Union forces will have something to say about who the newly imposed Federal authority will appoint to fill the corresponding Southern circuit seats. We can be sure that once seated, these judges will tend to remain until they are promoted or retire, and this buys a long period of time for Southern communities to reach some kind of new equilibrium, in which time, community courts, which will become the major source of replacement judges across the nation, can mature and provide candidates with good credentials to be placed in these seats. Congress might choose to devolve some say by the communities affected in who these appointees are, and they would generally derive from the regions they preside over, so a distinctly Southern self-rule has several regional bases--their regional control of their regional courts, the proposed Senate system I offered where the USA is divided into sixteen districts to elect one Senator per class and indirectly probably elect a second one from the region; I'd have to look at the Census numbers but off the top of my head the South will comprise between three and six of these 16 zones--the borders will fluctuate from census to census as demographics shift, but broadly speaking the southeast must hold at least a quarter if not more of the US population. The more regional devolution of their basic authority Congress deems pragmatic the more local control there is in the form of compacts associating communities on a mutually agreeable basis.

It is not sustainable to hold the South in special subjugation over the long term, but neither is it necessary to assume Southern culture must replicate every obnoxious feature and be dominated by every stereotype that holds OTL. I think in your dismissive response this is what you must be assuming.

As a general thing, by the way, I disagree with the conventional wisdom that the more local the government, the more democratic and inclusive of its subjects it tends to be. Here in the USA OTL, it is rather the reverse, with citizens generally paying more attention to the highest levels, especially the President, and so on down the ladder, while local government often flies under the radar of most citizen attention. I believe Rosa Luxemburg had similar contrarian arguments based on sound reasoning and observation in her polemics about policy in the German Social Democratic Party, arguing for more democracy in strong central government rather than devolution of control to more local powers. I therefore did not offer this as a general panacea I believe in (that would apply more to my remarks about proportional representation in legislatures). But given my knowledge about how Reconstruction went and how reaction rolled it back, I do think that the power of the states was pretty critical. And in the context of an overarching strong central government, which I have provided for here, I do think there is a general principle that the more finely chopped up the regional level in a federal system is, the more unified the resulting polity can be as a whole, and the more opportunity there is for resolving regional conflicts. Thus, a USA of tens or hundreds of thousands of small communities, especially in the context of a strong and democratic central government and a strong commitment to inclusive democracy, would seem superior to me to the current state system. So while it is the specific OP question that moved me to flesh it out conceptually, it is also indeed something I think would be worth considering arising in any era.

Having once again mentioned PR, I suggest also that if it seems precocious in the mid-19th century, perhaps it should not be too strange Americans might take pride in an advanced innovation. More to the point, observing that robust proportional representation offers a pretty automatic counterweight against any ill effects arising from unequal districting, I thought it might be catalyzed by a desire to provide for Congressional representation by forming districts out of communities as units, which would tend to limit the ability to form districts of equal size even for one snapshot in time. But with the total delegation of Congress and perhaps a Senate derived from consideration of the total national vote integrated, overrepresentation by district seats for some underpopulated districts and overpopulation diluting that plurality seat FPTP representation in others, is automatically compensated especially if we make up the balanced party delegations by choosing candidates who ran in districts for these seats too, based on the number of votes they received. Note that it also has the effect of automatically penalizing districts dominated by communities that might choose to repress votes; the more success they have at barring specific targeted groups from voting, the smaller their total delegation becomes, in favor of other regions with higher turnout.

I strongly disbelieve a USA that evolved in this way could manage to have the sorts of failures of democracy OTL's Jim Crow era featured, but insofar as this does happen, the South would wind up with fewer representatives, and this would be true of the Senate system I proposed too, and of course a national popular vote for President would also feature automatically diminishing the weight of regions where voter suppression prevails--or having lower turnout for any reason. OTL I have looked at figures for Senate and House elections in the later Jim Crow era, such elections as 1948 and 1950, and the discrepancy in turnout between some Jim Crow states versus high turnout states in the Northeast and Midwest is appallingly high, approaching a factor of ten. If indeed somehow the Redeemers manage their OTL tyranny, they will pay a huge price for it in national representation! Having discarded the whole concept of the states, there would be no justification for maintaining power in Congress based on full population, when that population is partially disfranchised, and largely depressed in turnout because of the lack of competitiveness in elections. (In a spirit of bipartiansan fairness regarding a fact that dismays me, I note that California in modern elections is notably lower in turnout than the national average; as someone who thinks of himself as a "Californian in exile" this is pretty mortifying! There too, various layers relating in part to single party dominance tend to depress turnout...not that I think the California Republican's wounds were anything but self-inflicted to be sure. But having shot themselves down, the Democratic party hegemony resulting does seem rather bad for democracy as such--my preferred remedy being empowering third parties rather than making special concessions to the rival duopoly party!)
 
Nonsense! Regarding your impression secession would be easier than ever, the communities are individually far too small to be viable nation-states. I mentioned provision for them to form compacts which can de facto unify a coherent government across substantial populations and areas, but everything the communities do is fundamentally subject to Federal regulation. Secession could theoretically happen, if the Federal government were to be captured by a faction hell bent on it, but a faction capable of controlling Congress and the Presidency would be in a position to just run the whole unified country in its interests anyway--why then secede?

I think you are simply assuming that sociological and political facts on the ground OTL must automatically carry over in a different constitutional frame, which generally is a fair heuristic, but this seems also to be applied very selectively--it seems you assume the Reconstruction Amendments don't get made whereas I assume that such provisions as birthright citizenship, the norm of full franchise for all adult males (later to have the threshold age lowered and women also included) regardless of "race, color, creed or previous condition of servitude," and the affirmation of a Federal duty to uphold equal protection under the law, will appear not as amendments but in the main body of the new Constitution itself. But on the contrary you also assume the party line of the Redeemers and subsequent incarnations of Southern and national white supremacy must automatically carry over with the same force and predominance as OTL. But OTL, African American political representation was dependent on their maintaining equal access within state systems, and white supremacists were able to leverage the state machinery of even states with such high AA populations as South Carolina or Louisiana to shut them out of representation on both state and Federal levels, and then move, given the tacit assent of non-Southern regional political blocs to stand back from interfering, and much reinforced by the concept that the states were co-sovereign with the Union and the Federal government needed special justifications to intervene, to systematically impose second class citizenship on its "nonwhite" citizens thus making them subjects.

Here on the other hand, only the Federal government has sovereignty; no community government is immune by default to Federal oversight. That can indeed cut both ways of course and a strongly racist national consensus could have a decimating effect via Congressional fiats on the viability of minority representation and effective self defense--however I detail considerations below why I think that would be unlikely to happen.

To begin with, the specific context of the introduction of this system to the South is the Union dismantling, in the wake of a constitutional convention in 1864, Southern and Northern states alike, and the definition and organization per the new Constitution of the communities. The Union Army will have control on the ground of territory it subdues, and will have found African Americans freed under the Emancipation Proclamation useful auxiliaries, as well as later in the war accepting them as volunteer troops. So they will not fail to establish appropriately coherent African American communities and get them up to speed in constitutional terms, their adult male populations voting both for their local self-government and for representation in Congress by 1866--indeed in the circumstances, it is possible that Representatives will be elected and admitted ad hoc as soon as complexes of communities of sufficient population are organized.

There would then be no state governments, north or south, to do such things as disfranchise African Americans en masse, or devise Black Codes to criminalize them with Catch-22s and thus de facto reenslave them under the rubric of punishment for felonies. The law is Federal law and those adopted by the autonomous communities, including any multilateral compacts among them.

Note that the community territories will not necessarily fill the map of the USA; geographic reach of a community will be determined by the actual economic activities centered on it and regions into which no community systematically reaches in regular operations will revert to Federal territory.

Now of course white-majority communities will be pretty numerous and grasping of territory overall, but their own regulations will only apply to their domains, and someone resident in another community will always have grounds for appealing to federal courts and other extra-community agencies for intervention.

OTL Klan terrorism could strike a black settlement or house and any attempt at recourse via the justice system would have to be made in a courtroom of the state ostensibly including both parties as citizens, but objectively under the control of the same side that committed the offense.

Here many, perhaps most, African American citizens will reside on community territory that is in the jurisdiction of their own people, and the protocols of justice will tend to remand the case to a courtroom in the offended party's jurisdiction. Disputes that involve both white supremacist and African communities would be generally settled in Federal courts. Possibly Congress would permit the formation of regional compact associations that might be permitted benches of their own, as something agreed to and cooperatively maintained by all involved communities, and all this under Federal oversight and potential intervention.

Broadly speaking, the balance of power would enable African American communities to maintain quite a vigorous self defense as a final layer of self protection. Aside from a right, indeed mandate, for each to provide police services, they will have their militias, connected with contingency plans to the Union military command. If African American majority communities come under attack systematically, they have these lines of defense. I presume it will be encoded in law as a matter of course that actual violence of any kind involving community officers beyond normal police work will require some Congressionally overseen review of the events, and endemic ongoing violence demand Federal intervention. So while that is not the same thing as total immunity to systematic terrorism fostered in the white supremacist communities, it is a defense enabling AA communities to withstand it and seek orderly redress in the Federal system, or by coming to agreements locally that effectively suppress this. If the level of terrorism that must be endured is not sufficient to shut down the AA communities, they at any rate endure. Now with new grievances of course.

I trust you are aware of many swathes of territory in the Civil War era South where AA populations predominated demographically, including being a majority in the state of South Carolina, as well as the "Black Belt" across Mississippi, Alabama and I believe reaching into Georgia, and I have recently learned in large sections of Tidewater Virginia. Each of these zones would, despite being salted as it were with white-majority communities, be strongholds of AA autonomy. In the event that US society veers hard into pervasive racism as the norm, it would be possible for AA strongholds, which might also come to include important sections of developing cities, and perhaps zones elsewhere in the Union, to close ranks and react to white apartheid with black self-reliance. I hope separatism would not be the general solution to US racial relations, but it is a viable option and being a potential response, tends to deter support for white supremacist extremism.

Beyond that, the inalienable ability of at least some African American communities to elect members of Congress on their own would promote alliances between African American representatives and "white" ones. It would be quite likely therefore that by the time a decade had elapsed since the surrender of the remaining Confederate authority, quite a lot of politicians at the national level would recognize obligations to these communities, and indeed I think that while considerable strength would remain with the white supremacist position, African Americans would retain allies locally in the South they could not sustain OTL.

Indeed parallel to their position in Congress, and thus probably able to entrench themselves more or less proportionally in federal Executive employment as well, we can expect that the dynamic of racist separatism would tend to penalize bastions of white supremacy. Little would stop AA minorities in such community zones, if they judge themselves underappreciated and ill treated, from voting with their feet and moving--and a ready answer to anyone who bemoans the plight of white people "trapped" in AA majority communities will be that if they can't really abide it they too can leave. Although any dominant class tends to discount and disparage the degree to which general prosperity depends on their underclasses, the fact is much Southern economic potential comes from the employment of "black" labor, and if the citizens in question are motivated to up stakes and move to a reasonably nearby (or distant) AA bastion, or just someplace with white majorities who are more reasonable, they will suffer a serious labor drain, while communities and regions where more tolerant, accepting, even perhaps not too long after embracing attitudes to AA citizens develop instead, will be more prosperous and tend to set the tone for regional norms across the board. This is my major hope of course, that gradually the South will move toward racial inclusion. It is not necessary this happens everywhere for it to take root as an alternative narrative to the stories white supremacists tell, giving them the lie.

The more bailiwicks there are in which African Americans, and other disparaged minorities, are masters in their own house, the more a general penumbra of protection in consideration of overall national balance of power there is even to isolated minority communities in a region of "white" dominated communities, and even to individuals resident in such communities.

Therefore I doubt very much that such a United State of America would mirror the trajectory of Jim Crow too closely. It might be exactly as bad as OTL in some bailiwicks, but the general cover for extremism on these fronts given by Redeemers and their successors being able to seize control of state machinery and impose their order wholesale on entire regions would be quite badly eroded, tipping the balance of skepticism against OTL allies who, if only by neutral default, permitted them to have their reign of terror unchecked. National institutions might indeed be more biased against African Americans and other minorities than they ought to be, but every minority community will manage to have certain bastions in which they set the norms, and these I predict will in turn foster tolerant mixed communities and cosmopolitan ones. Extremist white supremacist communities would, far from establishing themselves as the benchmark of normal national policy as OTL, tend to be isolated and marginal in influence, and under considerable pressure to reconsider their positions.

OTL Jim Crow among many other things impeded travel for African Americans and other discriminated against minorities, and I believe this remains a problem today. It will be an obvious necessity, which a Republican dominated Federal regime that has just fought and won the Civil War will recognize and provide for, to guarantee rights of transit, to give at least limited protection to travelers who don't intrude too deeply into even quite hostile communities on the way. Again the ultimate judges of this will be Federal officials, the Federal courts and Congress as arbiter of community charters and compacts.

The Federal judiciary will have to be much expanded; to some extent the work formerly done by state court systems will be taken up by community courts, but the balance that is not will have to be folded over to the Federal system. I suppose the number of Federal Circuits would be much increased, and the suddenly unemployed state justices will be recruited and approved en masse to fill the new Federal benches. At least, in the particular proposed TL, this happens in the North and West, but the South in rebellion will have discredited their former state judges by their collusion with secessionism, and the invading and occupying Union forces will have something to say about who the newly imposed Federal authority will appoint to fill the corresponding Southern circuit seats. We can be sure that once seated, these judges will tend to remain until they are promoted or retire, and this buys a long period of time for Southern communities to reach some kind of new equilibrium, in which time, community courts, which will become the major source of replacement judges across the nation, can mature and provide candidates with good credentials to be placed in these seats. Congress might choose to devolve some say by the communities affected in who these appointees are, and they would generally derive from the regions they preside over, so a distinctly Southern self-rule has several regional bases--their regional control of their regional courts, the proposed Senate system I offered where the USA is divided into sixteen districts to elect one Senator per class and indirectly probably elect a second one from the region; I'd have to look at the Census numbers but off the top of my head the South will comprise between three and six of these 16 zones--the borders will fluctuate from census to census as demographics shift, but broadly speaking the southeast must hold at least a quarter if not more of the US population. The more regional devolution of their basic authority Congress deems pragmatic the more local control there is in the form of compacts associating communities on a mutually agreeable basis.

It is not sustainable to hold the South in special subjugation over the long term, but neither is it necessary to assume Southern culture must replicate every obnoxious feature and be dominated by every stereotype that holds OTL. I think in your dismissive response this is what you must be assuming.

As a general thing, by the way, I disagree with the conventional wisdom that the more local the government, the more democratic and inclusive of its subjects it tends to be. Here in the USA OTL, it is rather the reverse, with citizens generally paying more attention to the highest levels, especially the President, and so on down the ladder, while local government often flies under the radar of most citizen attention. I believe Rosa Luxemburg had similar contrarian arguments based on sound reasoning and observation in her polemics about policy in the German Social Democratic Party, arguing for more democracy in strong central government rather than devolution of control to more local powers. I therefore did not offer this as a general panacea I believe in (that would apply more to my remarks about proportional representation in legislatures). But given my knowledge about how Reconstruction went and how reaction rolled it back, I do think that the power of the states was pretty critical. And in the context of an overarching strong central government, which I have provided for here, I do think there is a general principle that the more finely chopped up the regional level in a federal system is, the more unified the resulting polity can be as a whole, and the more opportunity there is for resolving regional conflicts. Thus, a USA of tens or hundreds of thousands of small communities, especially in the context of a strong and democratic central government and a strong commitment to inclusive democracy, would seem superior to me to the current state system. So while it is the specific OP question that moved me to flesh it out conceptually, it is also indeed something I think would be worth considering arising in any era.

Having once again mentioned PR, I suggest also that if it seems precocious in the mid-19th century, perhaps it should not be too strange Americans might take pride in an advanced innovation. More to the point, observing that robust proportional representation offers a pretty automatic counterweight against any ill effects arising from unequal districting, I thought it might be catalyzed by a desire to provide for Congressional representation by forming districts out of communities as units, which would tend to limit the ability to form districts of equal size even for one snapshot in time. But with the total delegation of Congress and perhaps a Senate derived from consideration of the total national vote integrated, overrepresentation by district seats for some underpopulated districts and overpopulation diluting that plurality seat FPTP representation in others, is automatically compensated especially if we make up the balanced party delegations by choosing candidates who ran in districts for these seats too, based on the number of votes they received. Note that it also has the effect of automatically penalizing districts dominated by communities that might choose to repress votes; the more success they have at barring specific targeted groups from voting, the smaller their total delegation becomes, in favor of other regions with higher turnout.

I strongly disbelieve a USA that evolved in this way could manage to have the sorts of failures of democracy OTL's Jim Crow era featured, but insofar as this does happen, the South would wind up with fewer representatives, and this would be true of the Senate system I proposed too, and of course a national popular vote for President would also feature automatically diminishing the weight of regions where voter suppression prevails--or having lower turnout for any reason. OTL I have looked at figures for Senate and House elections in the later Jim Crow era, such elections as 1948 and 1950, and the discrepancy in turnout between some Jim Crow states versus high turnout states in the Northeast and Midwest is appallingly high, approaching a factor of ten. If indeed somehow the Redeemers manage their OTL tyranny, they will pay a huge price for it in national representation! Having discarded the whole concept of the states, there would be no justification for maintaining power in Congress based on full population, when that population is partially disfranchised, and largely depressed in turnout because of the lack of competitiveness in elections. (In a spirit of bipartiansan fairness regarding a fact that dismays me, I note that California in modern elections is notably lower in turnout than the national average; as someone who thinks of himself as a "Californian in exile" this is pretty mortifying! There too, various layers relating in part to single party dominance tend to depress turnout...not that I think the California Republican's wounds were anything but self-inflicted to be sure. But having shot themselves down, the Democratic party hegemony resulting does seem rather bad for democracy as such--my preferred remedy being empowering third parties rather than making special concessions to the rival duopoly party!)

To be honest I think you would wind up with the HRE with White Sheets. You are deploying power downwards.
 
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