What if Spain won the Spanish American war? Possible changes in the war that affect it's development and winner. Please don't say, Spain can't win or is going to loose anyway. If you thinks is totally un-realistic a victory of Spain that is ok. But give arguments and do research, don'tsay things for patriotismm. Because there are some Pods before and during the war that can change the result of the war.
What if Spain won the Spanish American war? Inspired by The legacy of the glorious by Milardi, A prusian on the Spanish throne and Leopold King of SPA
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US will just continue fund the rebellions if they lost, as Spain already lost their ground in Cuba and PI, only one city in PI is in spanish control, and a few villages and the navy is dead. And cuba rebellion os already full blown, Cuban rebels are more well equipped now with american Aid during that war. Spain will lose cuba and PI, sell pacific islands to germany. In short, indepedent PI close and backed by Japan and USA and ROC as they funded the revolution and indepedent Cuba will be close to the USA. Where Spain just lost most of their colonies.
Cuba will be better as they are tottally indepdent from USA, While the PI will be a great power playhouse where every GP try to infuence them to align with them, as Balkanization seems unlikely, more likely PI will be the sugar baby of the GPs where they aid the PI to align to them. I assume the PI will be aligned to the Entente as they have a teritorial dispute against germany regarding Palau, Assuming they are lucky, they might have the capability to challenge Japan economically and industrially and militarily if they play their cards right. While Spain sits there probably sells all her colonies, as she is broke after the war. and the monarchy being dismantled as a result of the war. Why the US would probably fund the rebels, well they have interests in the areas, if they can align those countries to them is a good thing, so they just fund the rebels even though they lost the war.
Well, if you check out what the rebels really wanted before the war you realized that what they wanted was more autonomy. But when the americans join the war they promise cuba independence. So the rebels now did wanted that independence that the USA promised. But with the USA leaving the war you now realize that even if you manage to liberate all of Cuba Spain will keep coming back and I do not see how the rebels could win that battle. Because the USA thougth that this war was just like a Caribean adventure and if the somehow loose the war or just quit of it they will just forgot that it did exist and stop funding the rebels. Because the popular support is not very high because of the failed war and the big chunk of the americans that hates imperialism. So probably the president will be force just to stop funding the rebels because they have no longer anything to win. Because even if Cuba gets independence Puerto Rico was still loyal to Spain and it was taken by american troops not rebels. So you are not really forcing Spain to leave America.
Spain just accepted the peace because the fear to loose the ''Canarias''. If this threat is gone they will just continue the war years or decades or until they are force to give up Cuba and the rest of the colonies.
The PI already had a working government, backed by Japan and Chinese republicans, UK is willing to recognize the PI if they opened Manila to trade. Which they will once they get some contact. Many filipino diplomats already fled to Europe for recognition. It is a matter of time as Spain already lost most of the nation and only has Manila and another besieged town in their posetion. The Revolutionaries are now ready to launch an all out attack to wreck the Spanish forces and many already defected. even officers defected. It is a matter of time before it's fall
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Well you are talking about the end of the war and by that time all is lost. But I agree with you that by that time the Pl were lost. Cuba not that much if the USA abandons the war. In any case Puerto Rico will still be Spanish. But I don't know if it will be forever or it will not. They were an autonomy and not a colony by this time so I think they will continue to be Spanish.
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Well if Spain did made the PI like rhodesia a semi indepedent colony we couldve prevented them from losing it. They had their chance to prevent it, what they did is execute the leading liberal who spearheads the movement. now they faced an unexpected rebellion
The philipines were still living in a 16th century system because most of the spanish reforms didn't reach the islands. They were going to be lost anyway. Except if they were made an autonomy as Cuba and Puerto Rico.
reforms got trashed after the monarchy was restored, reforms were there in the 1880s but is trashed after the monarchy is returned to power
The first republic was a disaster and the monarchy wasn't that bad until Alfonso XIII got to power and his regents rule for him. His father was a constitutional king that did thing pretty rigth and if his death was the thing that fucked up the overall situation on Spain.
Ah ok, well in that case you are rigth but the republic did not that many reforms. But your point with the Pl is totally rigth.
Picture in the PI when the republic is proclaimed in 1899. And how did Cuba not organized a republic or unified government like the PI. They already got into a revolution that is full blown, why havent they declare independence or what
Well, the philipines were control by the USA a lot of time until they got release as a puppet.
Before they got controlled they already had theri own government and just got invaded. I wonder why cuba did not do it as USA will obviously recognize it IOTL
Spain cannot win unassisted. If you somehow manage to get Germany to enter the war, the High Seas Fleet might defeat the US Navy in the Pacific, but the USA would still prevail in the Caribbean.
That is not that true, the american navy could not figth the german high sea fleet in any case. Why? Because the USA navy was divided in west and east, what this means is that the german navy will only need to fight one at each time plus the spanish navy. And because the panama channel wasn't finished yet (correct me if I'm wrong) the two USA fleets would have figth alone and outnumber. Making impossible to win against germany that could resuply from La Havanna o Puerto Rico.
Who is going to resupply Germany in the Caribbean? Britain's trying to court the USA as an ally against Germany out a sense of ethnolinguistic nationalism, the Anglo-German Naval Arms race, and to keep any one power from dominating mainland Europe. France has a grudge against Germany over Alsace-Lorraine. The republics in the Americas are fiercely anti-colonial. The Cubans are not going to back the Spanish cause while they're busy rebelling against Spain. Although there are plenty of Puerto Ricans who don't want to become part of the United States, there are fewer who would back Spain in a colonial war, and even fewer who would relish the thought of becoming German. The Dutch do have possessions in the Caribbean and they don't have an anti-colonial bent, but they also don't want to get drawn into the war. Sure the US Navy would have to go around either the Cape of Good Hope or Tierra del Fuego to move ships from the Pacific to the Atlantic or vice versa, but so do the Germans, and the shorter distance from the US mainland to the Caribbean means shorter supply lines and easier logistics for the US Navy. The US Navy would also be able to resupply from British possessions in the West Indies. Although officially neutral, Britain tacitly backed the American cause by refusing to allow Spanish ships to refuel in British ports whilst allowing the US Navy to use Hong Kong as a base of operations.