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Wikiquote had claimed it was from The Last Will, which is also where the statements on colonies are from.
What did Hitler mean by this?
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Wikiquote had claimed it was from The Last Will, which is also where the statements on colonies are from.
Ricardolindo
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See https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#1940s for the quote, that, I mentioned at the beginning of the thread. Another Franco and Reds quote is from The Last Testament, see https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#The_Testament_of_Adolf_Hitler_(1945), but that is a questionable source.
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Ricardolindo
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Ok but going from opposing Franco to supporting Communists is a pretty big step.
There are a couple of big things going on in January 1943 at Stalingrad (with the Russians closing in) and with the Casablanca Conference announcing that 'unconditional surrender' would be required. If Speer did remember at least remember the general gist of the conversation correctly half a dozen years later (I'm sceptical he could remember the exact words after all that time), maybe Hitler was unhappy with Franco because he viewed Franco's neutrality as being to blame for the situation in North Africa (with the Western Allies' Torch landings having succeeded at the end of the previous year)?
Eh, you never know with these apocryphal quotes, particularly when attributed to the chief Maniac-Magnet himself, but in amongst all the other febrile ranting on that wikipage is:
*Allegedly. And in translation.Old Sweaty-Face Swiveleyes said:
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Some top material for AH there mind you. “But then he wouldn’t be Hitler/they wouldn’t be Nazis” is a common criticism but if you really wanted to ricochet Adolf off the side cushion to sink the 8-ball there’s no end of nuttiness you could apply to the end of your cue.The evil genius said:
See, historical evidence that my proposed Mecca-Berlin Pact of Fruitloops is, like, totes plausible!Man clearly messing with future neo-Nazis said:
Ricardolindo
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That quote comes from a more questionable source. David Irving claims it to be fake and it appears to be often confused with a similarly named document.
Note: While David Irving is a Holocaust denier, I'm not one, please don't ban me for saying this.
Ricardolindo
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There is an article about this question, see https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022009415619689.
Well, unless it is from a properly attributed contemporary source we don’t know it’s anything he actually ever stated. Could be true, could be bullshit from fantasists and conmen.
Also, a central tenet of Nazism seemed to be “Its true, because I’d like it to be true, and I’M THE FUCKING BOSS” followed by much sycophantic saluting, clicking of bootheels, and doing of dumbass shit.
So it’s like quantum history, squared. Mentally unstable turtles all the way down.
I think it was the History Channel that used to have “The Nazis: A Warning From History” on about 73 times a day. It should have been called “The Nazis: A Preview of Internet Reality”.
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Speer wrote in 1950 that Hitler told him that seven years previously. That alone doesn’t mean we have to believe him without supporting evidence. Is Speer 100.00% honest in his writings and how many conversations from seven years previously can normal humans remember verbatim?
It’s still a double dose of uncertainty.
I think it's an accurate quote, but if Speer had any support from Franco's govt post war then he would have an incentive to create a perception of a larger rift between Franco and Hitler to improve Spains optics as a cold war ally against the Soviet Union.
Ricardolindo
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If such a theory is correct, it probably didn't work too well since Spain only joined NATO
after Franco's death.
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Ricardolindo
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Honestly, it seems likely to me that Hitler simply had some crazy ideas of converting the Spanish Socialists and Communists to Fascists, in order to create a truly Fascist Spain.
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Max Sinister
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Reminds me of this joke from fascist Italy:
A functionary visits a firm and asks the responsible guy: "Did you clean your firm from Socialists?"
"No, about 40% of the workers are - but you know, we need them, they're experienced special workers and stuff..."
"Well - is the firm free of Communists at least?"
"Actually, all the other 60% are Communists."
"What the hell? There is not a single fascist among your employees?"
"Oh, fascists? All of them are!"
A functionary visits a firm and asks the responsible guy: "Did you clean your firm from Socialists?"
"No, about 40% of the workers are - but you know, we need them, they're experienced special workers and stuff..."
"Well - is the firm free of Communists at least?"
"Actually, all the other 60% are Communists."
"What the hell? There is not a single fascist among your employees?"
"Oh, fascists? All of them are!"
Who says he made it up? He may have misremembered it in part or gotten a conversation with Hitler muddled with Hess or whatever. Some stressful times between 1943 and 1950.
Personally I think it is most likely a fair representation of something Hitler once said, but I’d be wary of relying on it for anything significant.
The trouble with the Nazis is that not only were they often batshit themselves, an unusual number of the people “researching” them have some issues with sanity and/or honesty, so you have to mentally add the prefix “It is alleged...” to anything that isn’t directly lifted from a solid primary source.
I mean, at one time David Irving was regarded as a reasonably acceptable cite but now he’s known to be a groupie.
Ricardolindo
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I also said "imagine". I find it unlikely, that, Speer would have misrembered a conversation to such a level, as to lead to this very strange conversation.
Garetor
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For the benefit of anyone who hasn't heard of this nut, that means he's a holocaust denier.
