Were there any alternatives to Thatcher's vicious economic privatization?

I've heard that Thatcher was actually a nevessary person during her time. The unions were apparently acting like children and refused to modernize, bloated and unprofitable industries were propped up, and inflation was going nuts. Yet while they say that, most are arguing that she was way too cruel in going about her reforms, leaving countless people homeless and jobless.

So, are there any other ways the British economy could have been reformed backed then with less backlash and side-effects?
 

Riain

Banned
I only learned something about this recently, from a Scottish academic who hates Thatcher. Apparently the political economic system set up after ww2 was all about full employment so people wouldn't become fascist or other types of radical. But after 30 years the bugs in this system had made it unworkable, winter of discontent, stagflation and all that, so a new system was needed. Thatcher, Reagan and in a different way in Australia Bob Hawke delivered this new system into being, often with great pain.

Bob Hawke was a Labor PM and didn't crush the unions, he tamed them but the result was the same: manufacturing left and our car industry died.
 
Well the unions could have liquidated the bourgeoisie. It would have been similarly painful and brutal.

The post-war compromise didn’t break down because of petulant unions. It broke down because of a refusal to capitalise and recapitalise and a decision to take profits. As noted elsewhere full employment and a consumer economy were used to pacify the proletariat.

How to get there?

Fordism was developed post-war in response to the expansion of “communism,” and to increase the rate of circulation of capital by dumping a greater portion into consumption and thus increasing the speed of circulation. While the terror of another Yugoslavia lessened; the terror of Mai ‘68 demonstrated that fordist politics didn’t cure the working class, but at the same time the working class was functionally impotent.

Hypothesis: a communist Hungary, “communist” Indonesia and communist Czechoslovakia would supply sufficient terror of competent workers to increase the buy off and require recapitalisation of expired capital goods.

You know or we could let a Chilean situation develop under labour and hand out the only “free” thing in a free market. Helicopter rides. Not quite less brutal than thatcher.
 
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Alcsentre Calanice

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I only learned something about this recently, from a Scottish academic who hates Thatcher. Apparently the political economic system set up after ww2 was all about full employment so people wouldn't become fascist or other types of radical. But after 30 years the bugs in this system had made it unworkable, winter of discontent, stagflation and all that, so a new system was needed. Thatcher, Reagan and in a different way in Australia Bob Hawke delivered this new system into being, often with great pain

I mean, it's general knowledge that the Keynesian dogma that had prevailed since 1945 came under attack in the 1970s as it was increasingly unable to deliver its promises of stability, growth and low unemployment, but I've never read a good analysis of the deeper causes of the stagflation. Of course, there were apparent catalysts like the Oil shock, but IMHO that was a symptom, not a cause.

So, to answer the question proposed by @Christian : You would have to recognize the factors that led to generalized economic crisis of the 70s before you can determine whether there was an alternative to it – whether we're speaking about the UK, the US, Germany, France or Italy. The entire thing is complicated by the ideological baggage coming with it, as Neoliberal politicians will often justify their policies as economically necessary, based on neoclassical economics, while Keynesian ones will present equally flawed and ideological analyses to defend their own positions.
 
Bob Hawke was a Labor PM and didn't crush the unions, he tamed them but the result was the same: manufacturing left and our car industry died.
Just to go of track a bit,
Considering the size and number of plants for most modern larger volume car manufactures could the Australian market really support them without significant support & subsidies (or being forced by lack of access and trade deals)? Then if they can only support one it will have no completion so will likely decline in relative competitiveness anyway.... before we look at how many "Australian" cars used flatpack components historically from the USA/UK?
 
(The probably belongs in Chat rather than post-1900)

Yes, despite Thatcher's motto of "there is no alternative" there were alternatives, both from the right and from the left. It was the general wisdom in 1977-1978 that whoever won the next election would likely remain in power for another term or two due to the benefits of North Sea Oil. In 1979-87 oil contributed £62billion to the treasury. Thatcher used this money for Nigel Lawson's tax cuts, had Labour been in power this would likely have been invested into public services.

Some of the changes that happened in the 1980s probably were inevitable, it was clear that the generation of powerful moderate union leaders stretching from Bevin to Gormley had come to an end, and from the late 60s onwards the attitude of many younger shop stewards was more militant and short termist. Had In Place of Strife been implemented things would have been different, but alas, Wilson backed down. Trade Union reform was inevitable.
Its hard to see how even a Labour government - unless it was led by someone like Benn - would have objected to returning things like Pickfords or Thomas Cook to private hands, British Airways too would probably have been de-nationalised.

Whats equally interesting, and something ive drafted the beginnings of a TL on a few times, if what if the Conservatives had been in office in the 1980s under a Willie Whitelaw, perhaps being succeeded by Michael Heseltine. This would have meant trade union reform and privatisation would have been on the books, but the profits of privatisation - particularly if Heseltine was PM - would likely have been re-invested into infrastructure and urban redevelopment rather than being blown away on one-off tax cuts in 1986-88. Heseltine's ideas in the late 80s were a blend of corporatism and economic liberalism, not quite social market economics but not a hard dose of Thatcherism either. Both Blairism and Cameronism can both really be traced back to Heseltine. He wanted a high speed rail line linking north and south, which is now finally being built 30 years later, he wanted devolution to the metropolitan regions, which finally happened under Cameron, and he wanted to use public-private partnerships to help fund infrastructure projects, which as PFI was adopted under Blair. So i think Heseltinism does offer some alternative of what might have happened without Thatcher.
 

Riain

Banned
Just to go of track a bit,
Considering the size and number of plants for most modern larger volume car manufactures could the Australian market really support them without significant support & subsidies (or being forced by lack of access and trade deals)? Then if they can only support one it will have no completion so will likely decline in relative competitiveness anyway.... before we look at how many "Australian" cars used flatpack components historically from the USA/UK?

I suppose it depends on how you define significant.

The Holden Commodore was protected by a 53% tariff in 1985, which is obviously way too high, but Holden was able to generate significant exports in the 90s as tarriff protection was reduced. My feeling that there would be a sweet spot of tariff protection, say maybe 10% or whatever that could keep the plants open.
 
Letting the unions get so powerful was the fault of Labour and Maggie knocked them down and brought in secret ballots and ended the closed shop
 
Letting the unions get so powerful was the fault of Labour and Maggie knocked them down and brought in secret ballots and ended the closed shop
I don't think you are right. All post-War governments basically "gave in" to the unions because of the full employment policy. I understand Churchill, when asked what to do about an inflationary wage rise demanded by some workers (possibly dockers?) said "give it to them, of course!"
The impact of the Depression was strong in that generation's thinking, understandably so. Also, having suffered the privations of the War, nobody wanted it "to have been in vain". People wanted, and expected, a better life.
 
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