Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.
- Thread starter Marco Incognito
- Start date
Johnny The Homicidal Maniac, it's a comic made by the same creator of Invader Zim.
I know what it is just wasn't sure what you meant by putting the initials.
I'm getting the feeling that this universe is going to be awesome! 😍
I can feel the nostalgia and other good-great feelings, both from OTL and TTL, radiating off from it, and when thinking about it.
I can feel the nostalgia and other good-great feelings, both from OTL and TTL, radiating off from it, and when thinking about it.
Glad you like it. Update coming soon. It’s just that I’m grouping all other DC projects(sans DCAU) together.
DC Superheroes in Film and TV(1942-1999)
DC Superheroes in Film and TV(1942-1999)
Still from "Who's Afraid of Diana Prince?"
The first Adaptation of a Superhero into any other medium was the Fleischer Superman Cartoons in 1941. The success of this series led to the release of a Batman Fleischer Cartoon Series a year later in 1942. This was followed by two Film Serials for each character. Batman in 1943 and 1949 and Superman in 1948 and 1950. Other comic book characters to get their own serials were Captain Marvel(1941), Spy Smasher(1942), Hop Harrigan(1946),The Vigilante(1947), Congo Bill(1948), and the Blackhawks(1952). The Superman serial would be replaced by the George Reeve Superman series, which included Superman Smashes the Klan as the pilot Movie. However it would not be until the success of the 66' Batman series that DC would consider shifting the spotlight to other DC Characters. This began with a short lived Batgirl series, however DC would try again, this time bringing in female writers to pen a Wonder Woman series in 1967. The pilot script for Wonder Woman was written by Stan Hart and Larry Siegel with rewrites performed by Stanley Ralph Ross and was titled Who's Afraid of Diana Prince?. The piece starred Ellie Wood Walker(Robert Walker Jr's wife) as Diana Prince and Linda Harrison as Diana's Wonder Woman Alter Ego.The series stayed faithful to Wonder Woman's origins, though depicted Diana as a magical split personality she would transform into. The Series was one of many to crossover with The 66' Batman series.Still from "Who's Afraid of Diana Prince?"
Character Designs for the Teen Titans series.
Promotional Poster of Swamp Thing holding Alec Holland's corpse(ITTL, a bigger budget means a better looking Swamp Thing).
As the Superman and Batman Film Series continued, there remained a desire to continue the focus on only the two Heroes. The TV Show Superboy was produced in 1988 to provide Superman with earlier adventures and a chance for him to encounter villains he would not in the films. Martin Scorsese's Joker pushed the production of a Comic Adaptation of Swamp Thing to 1989, which turned out to be a blessing as the film was now released after the character was reinvigorated by Alan Moore, another work of which, Watchmen, had recently been a huge success in 1988, allowing Swamp Thing to swoop into production and be released the following year after rewrites to more faithfully follow Moore's stories, billing itself as "From the creator of Watchmen". The Film was more horror than possibly any other Comic book film before it.
Screenshot from the Justice League TV series.
A Badge of Schwarzenegger's Sergeant Rock
In 1999, the first of two duel series premiered. The first of these was Smallville. After the end of Lois & Clark, it was decided to take the next series in a new direction and depict Clark Kent growing up in Smallville. At the same time is was decided a series depicting Bruce Wayne growing up and training to become Batman would be made titled Gotham(OTL the original idea for Smallville was a Bruce Wayne series but it was changed to a Superman Series. Here a compromise was made and both shows are put into production in a kind of "Do this show for me and I'll greenlit the project you really want to make." The creators of Lois & Clark did a sequel series of their own, set chronologically in the same setting as Smallville and Gotham but focusing on the romance between Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor, titled Diana & Steve.
DC Animated Universe(1992-2006)
The DC Animated Universe
Poster for Batman: The Animated Series
Batman: The Animated Series was able to gain extraordinary talent behind it. Gaining Al Pacino as Two Face, and Christoper Lee returning to voice Ra's Al Ghul. Kevin Meaney served as a guest star. Characters that appeared in the series that did not OTL included the Creeper, Black Mask, Anarky, a genderbent version of Calendar Man, Gentleman Ghost, Bronze Tiger, Dr. Tzin-Tzin, Victor Zsasz and Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Gentleman Ghost appeared as the antagonist in "Zatanna(OTL it was meant to be but shot down, leading to the creation of the forgettable Montague Kane). Zsasz has his serial killer elements toned down. Other changes include the Joker kidnapping Jordan Hill in "Be a Clown". Man Bat kills people in "On Leather Wings". The ventriloquist making most of his money from fixing gambling and sporting events, having a base on a barge in "Read My Lips". "The Demon's Quest" had Ra's Al-Ghul kidnap Robin, and force Batman to help him steal a jeweled statue of Kali, leading Ra's's assassins to begin a crime spree, forcing Batman to try and outwit Ra's to stop them and save Robin, with the help of Talia Al-Ghul, who had other plans for him. In "Two-Face", Harvey Dent was disfigured when Batman chased a thug into the middle of the stakeout. Acid meant for Batman hit Harvey, turning him into Two-Face. Two-Face, after going on a crime spree, planned to lure Batman into a trap to make him pay for his failure. "Two-Face: Part 2" has an original title card rather than reusing the Part 1 version. "Christmas with the Joker" originally opened with killer toys made by the Joker appearing in stores days before Christmas. The hostages also had bombs strapped to their stockings. In "Nothing to Fear", Scarecrow uses his fear toxin to extort money from Gotham's elite, instead of trying to get revenge on the university. The episode "P.O.V." goes more into the backstory of the characters. Bullock was once a high school sports star with an abusive father who drilled respect for the rules into him, explaining his intense dislike of Batman, while Montoya grew up in Crime Alley and is a reformed teenage punk, who cleaned up her act and dedicated her life to helping people. As a result, writer/story editor Sean Catherine Derek did not leave the show(OTL she did leave when the censors cut the backstory). "The Cape and Cowl Conspiracy" involved someone stealing Batman's Cape and Cowl and impersonating him while committing crimes.Poster for Batman: The Animated Series
Robin is mentioned as being off in college, explaining his first season absence. Commissioner Gordon had a more in-depth backstory, being a good cop who worked his way through the ranks until being kicked upstairs by the crooked ex-mayor and his administrators, but made it clear he wouldn't kowtow to them by showing up for his first day as police commissioner in his patrolman's uniform to let them know he wasn't one of them. Gordon's wife from the comics, Sarah Essen, was also in the series.
Renee Montoya is a major character. She loses her husband to Gotham's criminals, shot and killed in the line of duty. She grew up in Crime Alley, so knew first hand what criminal lifestyles did to good people. She had mixed emotions about Batman, but found herself working with him often and he would become fond of her due to their similar pasts. The irony being that she hated Bruce Wayne and all he stood for, thinking he was everything wrong with the wealthy and that he was deaf to the problems the poor faced. She also was a volunteer at a Catholic church and had ambitions to have children of her own, as she loved kids. She was to secretly dreaded the day she might have to arrest Batman. Harvey Bullock was more of a rogue cop with methods not unlike Batman and arrogantly viewed his badge as a licence to break the law. Mayor Hill hated Batman for being out of his control by never took a firm stand on him due to fear of losing Pro-Batman Votes. He would grow to dislike Batman after Joker kidnapped his son as he believed that if Batman never existed, the Joker wouldn't as well. He was therefore friends with Bullock due to their dislike of Batman.
Ridder's backstory was closer to the Comics. Poison Ivy's backstory was more in-depth as well, detailing that as a child, plants in the greenhouse were her only friends and she was a somewhat homely wallflower, who matured into the beauty she is now known as, but the attention and attempted wooing of would-be boyfriends caused her to become even shyer. In retaliation, a gang of hoodlums surprised and attacked her in her greenhouse, accidentally setting it on fire, causing her to swear revenge. Hugo Strange is able to use his mind-altering devices to brainwash people into simple-minded brutes. An added story involved a team up with Ra's Al Ghul and Poison Ivy, made just before Batman Beyond started, Poison Ivy seducing Swamp Thing, an episode featuring Batman having a near death experience and meeting Morpheus and Death from The Sandman. Morpheus being voiced by John Hurt
Superman: The Animated Series
The original idea for the series was to feature teams ups with various Heroes. While this idea was shot down to prevent Superman from being overshadowed in his own show. Several Heroes would be introduced such as an Episode with Captain Marvel. The style of the show was similar to the 40's and 50's(complete with Jimmy Olsen wearing the comic accurate Green Suit and red bowtie). The retro aesthetic fit the series closer to Batman: The Animated Series and it kept the same art style. Among the episode level changes are: The Season Finale, "Apokolips...Now!" killed off Ma and Pa Kent(OTL Dan Turpin was killed instead). The climax of A Fish Story had Luthor set off an underwater explosion creates a massive tidal wave(Cut for being too expensive to animate, here the show got a bigger budget). "Little Girl Lost" is much darker, with humans being rounded up and sent to some very Nazi-esque camps to be turned into Parademons. Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were able to use Kara Zor-El as Supergirl.
Batman Beyond
After being pressured to add a Batgirl-like female hero to the series, Bruce Timm introduced Huntress, the daughter of Batman and Catwoman. Another offspring was introduced in the son of Superman and Lashina, who had been conceived through genetics during Superman's time under Darkseid's control. The son set his sights on Earth after having conquered Apokolips, leading to an all out battle against Batman and the Justice League with Superman struggling with the guilt of not having known his child. Terry became an item with Maxine after Dana broke up with him. Finally there was a second DVD Movie after Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, which included the return of Catwoman and concluded the Batman Beyond series(using plot elements from OTL's "Epilogue" episode of Justice League Unlimited). In the Comic Continuation featured the return of the Terrific Trio.
Another Series released at around this time was an Alex Ross and Paul Dini created a Shazam cartoon with Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr. The style being a mix of C.C.Beck and the Powerpuff Girls. Bruce Timm had done a crossover with the Powerpuff Girls titled The Joker vs the Powerpuff Girls in which Mark Hamill's Joker visited Townsville, with the City weirdly enjoying his presence and he was such a high profile villain that he gave the Town more public attention.
Justice League
Justice League had been pitched since the 90's while Superman: The Animated Series was still in production but would not see release until 2001. The founding members of the Justice League were Batman, Superman(maintaining the Voice of Tim Daly), Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan, who had been introduced in the In Brightest Day... Episode of Superman the Animated Series, and Aquaman (who sported his Superman: TAS design instead of his hook-handed one from the '90s). Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow and Black Canary were also planned, but it was decided to have the team match the original comic roster, leading to the addition of Martian Manhunter. Later seasons were expected to switch up the roster, introducing Hawkgirl and John Stewart to the team. Later on in 2003, a Teen Titans series was introduced with the line-up being Kid Flash(Wally West, as the Flash on the Justice League was confirmed to be Barry Allen), Aqualad, Donna Troy, Speedy, and Robin (an older Tim Drake). Later additions to the team included Static Shock(Following the tease in a crossover episode with Batman: The Animated Series where Batman said Robin was with the Titans and that Static would meet them some day). Other members included Cyborg, Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy(OTL this version of Teen Titans is by the DCAU cast, meaning it is much closer in quality to Justice League). There would be frequent crossovers between the two.
The Justice Society appeared in "Legends" as living on an alternate universe known as Earth 2. Another alternate Universe League was introduced in Justice League: Worlds Collide, which changed the Crime Syndicate to the Justice Lords and helped to bridge the gap between Justice League and the later seasons rebranded as Justice League: Unlimited. This included the Justice League expanding its roster to counter their alternate selves, Wonder Woman gaining an invisible Jet, and the Second Watchtower being built.
The Birds of Prey starred in an episode of Justice League Unlimited. In a semi-retelling of the origin of Oracle, in which Batgirl was hospitalized in an episode and, unable to finish the mission she was on when she was injured, she contacted Huntress and Black Canary to help her finish the job while supervising them over their radios(this replaces the OTL Episode "Double Date"). In season 3 a more faithful adaptation of the Legion of Doom appeared, meaning Riddler and Scarecrow were featured as members.
There was a Joker cameo in "This Little Piggy" for a brief moment of comic relief. After Diana had been turned into a pig, Batman was walking down the street with her and would pass the Joker preparing to commit a crime with his gang. The Joker, in the middle of preparing a heist and laying out his convoluted plan to deal with Batman, would see Batman holding and consoling a pig and stared at it in Dull Surprise, then threw his hands in the air and abandoned the entire scheme because he couldn't possibly top that.
Another extra scene is added of Amazo wondering if it was safe to return to Earth in the last episode. A Comedic Episode exists by Stan Berkowitz and Dwayne McDuffie called "Misfortune Cookies" based heavily on the Justice League International comics. The story centered on Martian Manhunter's addiction to Oreos...er, Chocos almost ruining a peace negotiation between two warring alien races, which forces Elongated Man to play the mediator instead. It's considered the JLU's equivalent to "The Trouble with Tribbles". Gail Simone also wrote an episode after "Birds of Prey" featuring the Queen of Fables as the villain. Superman/Clark revealed his identity to Lois at the end of "Divided We Fall". The Show was given another season of twelve episodes, revealing Darkseid and Luthor were merged with the Source Wall. Luthor was freed and revived Brainiac. The Key was featured as a villain and there was more of a focus on time travel(such as meeting Enemy Ave during World War I and the Atomic Knights and Kamandi in a post apocalyptic setting) and travelling the galaxy. The series bridged the gap, showing how the DCAU becomes the world of Batman Beyond. This included the depiction of an event in the lore of Batman Beyond known as the Near Apocalypse of '09. There was a continued format on a Day in the Limelight for various members. Justice League would be followed up by a Legion of Superheroes series.
Four of the DCAU Teen Titans(Art by AMTModollas).
Last edited:
I couldn’t in my mind rightfully get rid of him. Butterflies be dammed
Well At first I made a self imposed rule that I can only alter Pop Culture and Nixon's Presidency came about because of his guest appearance on Laugh in, but if I went a little further back. I tried to make this list as balanced as possible as I personally vote Democrat as they seem the more reasonable party most of the time though I am aware that has not always been the case.
Theodore Roosevelt(1913-1919)(Republican)
Roosevelt wins the 1912 election due to William Howard Taft conceding. Leading Roosevelt to run as the only Republican candidate, defeating Woodrow Wilson without splitting the vote(which led to Wilson's Victory OTL). Roosevelt leads the US into World War I a little bit earlier as he wanted the US to enter that conflict. He likely uses the Sinking of the Lusitania for propaganda purposes. Since no US President has ever lost an Election during a War, he wins before dying as he did in real life in 1919. Though some Butterfly nets are set up as while Communism is nowhere near as Powerful due to an early ending to World War I, the Nazis still rise. Interestingly it could be said TR earned his place on Mount Rushmore, having led the Nation through the Great War.
Charles Evan Hughes(1919-1921)(Republican)
Considered one of the best "Presidents we never had." ran against Woodrow Wilson in the 1916 Election. Notably Hughes was very progressive towards Civil Rights. Which, Plus Wilson not being President and therefore not introducing segregation, along with Birth of a Nation not existing(being replaced with a different film since the Director just chose a book and didn't have any views shown in Birth of a Nation and even made "Intolerance", his next film in an attempt to make up for it. Birth of a Nation is credited with a rise in Clan Activity. I personally imagine the film being about the American Revolution instead). So all these elements help to improve Civil Rights. Here he loses in 1920 to Harding.
James Cox(1921-1929)(Democrat)
Avoids the Harding level of Corruption. Also paves the way for FDR's Presidency since he was Cox's choice for Running Mate.
Herbert Hoover(1929-1933)(Republican)
Basically same as OTL though he likely becomes the Hated President without Harding president.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt(1933-1945)(Democrat)
Only Difference is here he lives until after the end of World War II, so he at least gets to see the end of the conflict.
Harry Truman(1945-1957)(Democrat)
The Main difference is since the rule of only two terms was established after Truman, he is able to run for one more term, since he didn't run before but became President after Roosevelt's death. He largely champions civil Rights, having been the one to push for desegregating the army.
Dwight D.Eisenhower(1957-1963)(Republican)
Runs for two terms. Is tragically assassinated in Kennedy's place(though he died in 1969 OTL). Also supports Civil Rights as he did OTL. Eisenhower likely, at Nixon's suggestion, sends troops to Cuba, preventing Castro's rise to power there.
Richard Nixon(1963-1969)(Republican)
takes a Lyndon B.Johnson type role. Nixon losing the 1960 Election is credited with changing him into the man he is now infamously remembered as so without that he is a nicer guy, though he is basically pushed into helping the Civil Rights against his will due to Eisenhower's Martyrdom. Would likely start the Vietnam War, which he continued anyway. So its less no Nixon Administration and more, no Nixon administration from 1969 to 1974.
John F.Kennedy(1969-1977)(Democrat)
Not assassinated. Married Marilyn Monroe after her near suicide and has divorced Jackie, who went onto marry Aristotle Onassis. He ran again after pushing the Space Program and lived to see a Man on the Moon.
Ronald Reagan(1977-1981)(Republican)
John Glenn(1981-1989)(Democrat)
Because a World where Kennedy's alive when we made it to the Moon would have an Astronaut Democrat President.
Joseph Biden(1989-1993)(Democrat)
George H.W. Bush (1993-2001)(Republican)
Al Gore(2001-2009)(Democrat)
Enough said. More responsible and helps bring down climate Change.
John McCain(2009-2013)(Republican)
Barrack Obama(2013-2021)(Democrat)
Hilary Clinton(2021-)(Democrat)
Will we get chapters and/or updates based on these pieces of fiction in the future?
- The Blob
- The Beatles
- Alternate History
- The SCP Foundation
- Gargoyles
- Grand Theft Auto
- Fallout
- Back to the Future
Yes though some will likely be folded into other categories. The blob into film. The Beatles into music. And so on.
Could I maybe send in some suggestions for Alternate history? I may have a few ideas.
I wanted to go a bit more in length now that I'm at a computer(was on Phone when I first responded).
The Blob-Definitely will be covered in Film, specifically in the 50's. Though it's not going to win an Academy Award or anything. I'm honestly not sure what changes I'd make.
The Beatles-I did start writing it out but I don't think I have enough for one post on them. Also they're likely to change given OTL they had several possible new members they wanted to add and the careers of those musicians might change whether or not they are available so I'm saving the Beatles for a Music Entry. It was already requested and I already hinted they don't break up in 1970 as they made the Lord of the Rings that year ITTL.
Alternate History-In General people into the genre want it to be more popular. We had a string of Alternate History shows recently and some of those will be slightly better(For All Mankind, Hollywood, the Man in the High Castle, the Plot Against America come to mind, ). My plan do involve the Two Georges kicking things off(as that story was intended to be a film), leading to adaptations of other Alternate History stories Timeline 191, and What Madness is This? being contenders for series in this reality. Was thinking maybe some timelines get mixed together rather than just making a timeline of each. Like we get AlternateHistory.com the Series and have a timeline combining elements of various popular timelines on the site, or alternatively an anthology.
The SCP Foundation-Not sure what I'd change as while I'm familiar with it I'm not sure what's unpopular to change on it. I do know about some of the Behind the Scenes Drama as talked about on the "Down the Rabbit Hole" episode on the SCP Foundation and I could work with that.
Gargoyles-I am planning on doing a long series of Posts on the History of Disney once Comics are done(taking a while as I wanted to cover the movies and tv shows as well) and then licensed Comics, which means also talking about Sonic the Hedgehog, My Little Pony, Archie, TMNT, and so on as those franchises have popular comics but the source material being different would impact the comics as well). So Gargoyles would likely get discussed in a post covering the Disney Afternoon. Better third Season is at the top of the list of changes.
Grand Theft Auto-In the pile for Video Games. Not yet sure what I'd change.
Fallout-Several Ideas on what to change. Especially Fallout 76'.
Back to the Future-Will be covered in the Movies Section.