TL-191: Filling the Gaps

Seems to me the list of US Presidential and Vice Presidential Candidates needs to be updated based on the new articles and retcons. Here it is. If theres anything you should think be changed just let me know.

For the record, Alexander Richards, Jack Hounsome, Dennis Wilkinson and Edward Anderson are all fictional characters created by Turquoise Blue, who made the original list of candidates.

List of US Presidential and Vice-Presidential Candidates

1864: Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/George Pendleton (D-OH) def. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME)
1868: Thomas A. Hendricks (D-IN)/Joel Parker (D-NJ) def. Benjamin Gratz Brown (R-MO)/Frederick Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
1872: George W. Woodward (D-PA)/Samuel S. Cox (D-OH) def. Thomas A. Scott (R-PA)/Benjamin F. Butler (R-MA)
1875: Samuel S. Cox (D-OH)/VACANT
1876: Samuel J. Tilden (D-NY)/Henry B. Payne (D-OH) def. Roscoe Conkling (R-NY)/James F. Wilson (R-IA)
1880: James G. Blaine (R-ME)/J. Donald Cameron (R-PA) def. Samuel J. Tilden (D-NY)/Henry B. Payne (D-OH)
1884: Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)/Allen G. Thurman (D-OH) def. James G. Blaine (R-ME)/J. Donald Cameron (R-PA) & Abraham Lincoln (S-IL)/Davis Hanson Waite (S-CO)
1886: Allen G. Thurman (D-OH)/VACANT
1888: Thomas Brackett Reed (D-ME)/Adlai Stevenson I (D-IL) def. James A. Garfield (R-OH)/William B. Allison (R-IA) & James B. Weaver (S-IA)/Marion Cannon (S-CA)
1892: Thomas Brackett Reed (D-ME)/Adlai Stevenson I (D-IL) def. John Sherman (R-OH)/Justin Morrill (R-VT) & Edward Bellamy (S-MA)/Sylvester Pennoyer (S-OR)
1896: Alfred Thayer Mahan (D-NY)/Robert Pattison (D-PA) def. Terence V. Powderly (S-PA)/James H. Kyle (S-DA) & William Jennings Bryan (R-MI)/Whitelaw Reid (R-NY)
1900: Alfred Thayer Mahan (D-NY)/Robert Pattison (D-PA) def. Jacob S. Coxey, Sr. (S-OH)/Charles H. Matchett (S-NY) & John Hay (R-IN)/William Paine Lord (R-OR)
1904: Nelson Aldrich (D-RI)/Charles W. Fairbanks (D-IN) def. Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (S-WI)/Myron Zuckerman (S-NY) & William J. Bryan (R-MI)/Gilbert Hitchcock (R-NE)
1908: Nelson Aldrich (D-RI)/Charles W. Fairbanks (D-IN) def. Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (S-WI)/Emil Seidel (S-PA) & Philander C. Knox (R-PA)/Alexander Richards (R-KS)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (D-NY)/Walter McKenna (D-PA) def. Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)/Joseph Guffey (S-PA) & Gilbert Hitchcock (R-NE)/James J. Couzens (R-MN)
1916: Theodore Roosevelt (D-NY)/Walter McKenna (D-PA) def. Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)/Henrik Shipstead (S-MN) & Theodore E. Burton (R-OH)/Jack Hounsome (R-NE)
1920: Upton Sinclair (S-NJ)/Hosea Blackford (S-DA) def. Theodore Roosevelt (D-NY)/William Allen White (D-KS) & Charles Curtis (R-KS)/James Eli Watson (R-IN)
1924: Upton Sinclair (S-NJ)/Hosea Blackford (S-DA) def. James M. Cox (D-OH)/John W. Davis (D-WV) & James Eli Watson (R-IN)/William S. Kenyon (R-IA)
1928: Hosea Blackford (S-DA)/Hiram Johnson (S-CA) def. Calvin Coolidge (D-MA)/Amos Pinchot (D-NY) & Frank Orren Lowden (R-IL)/Dennis Wilkinson (R-MO)
1932: Calvin Coolidge (D-MA)/Herbert Hoover (D-IA) def. Hosea Blackford (S-DA)/Hiram Johnson (S-CA) & Robert McCormick (R-IL)/Hanford MacNider (R-IA)
1933: Herbert Hoover (D-IA)/VACANT
1936: Al Smith (S-NY)/Charles W. La Follette (S-WI) def. Herbert Hoover (D-IA)/William E. Borah (D-ID) & Alf Landon (R-KS)/Arthur Vandenberg (R-MI)
1940: Al Smith (S-NY)/Charles W. La Follette (S-WI) def. Robert A. Taft (D-OH)/H. Styles Bridges (D-NH) & Wendell Willkie (R-IN)/Charles L. McNary (R-OR)
1942: Charles W. La Follette (S-WI)/VACANT

1944: Thomas Dewey (D-NY)/Harry S. Truman (D-MO) def. Charles W. La Follette (S-WI)/Jim Curley (S-MA) & Harold Stassen (R-MN)/Edward Anderson (R-NE)
 
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Speaking of elections, I decided to write this article. Craigo wrote all the previous election articles, but then skipped ahead from 1880 to 1920 and then stopped after the 1924 election. This is my attempt to pick up where he left off. I'll probably do more just like this. Next will be the 1885 CS election and the 1888 US election. Enjoy!

United States presidential election, 1884

In the year that was 1884, the United States of America had become nearly unrecognizable from what it had been four years previously in 1880, the year of the last presidential election. In 1880, the United States was a relatively prosperous nation under a Democratic administration, the Tilden administration, which took a soft-line stance in regards to the Confederate States of America. As a result, it seemed that the United States was finally coming to terms with its loss of the Confederate States and the War of Secession a generation previously. In 1884, the United States was a humiliated, downtrodden nation and a laughing stock on the world stage, having suffered defeat at the hands of the Confederate States, in addition to their British and French allies, in yet another war between the two, the Second Mexican War, lasting from June, 1881 to April, 1882. As a reuslt of the Second Mexican War and Americas defeat in said war, the US, under the Republican administration of James G. Blaine, which took a hard-line in regards to the Confederate States, had failed to reconquer land from the CSA or prevent the CSA from annexing the Mexican states of Sonora and Chihuahua, and had also lost land in Maine, land previously claimed by Great Britain prior to the signing of the Webster-Ashburton Treaty in 1842, to the Dominion of Canada.

Yet, that was not the all that transpired as a result of the American defeat in the Second Mexican War. In 1884, the US Military was demoralized and weakened, with a number of generals and military personnel, most notably Emory Upton, advocating large-scale and radical reforms in the US Armed Forces, while the USA began her friendship and later alliance with the German Empire. Meanwhile, coastal cities such as New York, Newport, Boston, San Francisco and Portland, among others, had only just finished rebuilding from the wartime raids of the Royal Navy. Politically, the Republican Party lost abysmally to the Democrats in the 1882 Congressional Midterm elections and incumbent Republican President James G. Blaine was a hated figure, both amongst the American people and politicians, for many of the aforementioned reasons. In addition, he was blamed for starting a war in which the USA was clearly the aggressor, which only served to embolden the CSA and her allies, and for not even taking the time for the US to be militarily prepared for such a war, if such a war had to be fought in the first place. In 1884, it came as no doubt to the American politicians and public alike, that come November, Blaine would become a lame duck President, and come March 4th, 1885, a Democrat would be back in the White House.

The United States radically changed in a political sense as well. As a result of the Republican Party being blamed for causing the country to lose two humiliating wars against the Confederate States of America, the latter even more humiliating than the first, the party split, becoming a shell of its former self. The more progressive-minded Republicans had defected to the new Socialist Party, while many of the more the conservative-minded Republicans defected to the Democratic Party. This weakening split of the Republican Party only made it more obvious that James G. Blaine would not be winning the presidential election of 1884. Meanwhile, a new faction of the Democratic Party, the Remembrance Faction, had become a force to be reckoned with, as was the same with the greater Remembrance Movement. The Remembrance Movement was a political and cultural movement that began shortly after the Second Mexican War ended in 1882, and was characterized by intense revanchism against the CSA (and to a somewhat lesser degree Canada and the British Empire), militarism, some authoritarian tendencies and strong ties to the German Empires. The Democratic Party, whose members where the most resentful of Blaine, the Republican Party and their botching of the war, became the main hub and spreader of this movement. Thus, the Remembrance faction of the Democratic Party was born, and the election of 1884 would be the first election they took part in. Lastly, another new force had entered into American politics, and this force was the Socialist Party, founded by ex-President Abraham Lincoln and German-born Socialist activist Friedrich Sorge in Chicago, Illinois in 1882. As mentioned above, the Socialist Party gained a number of new members after its establishment in 1882, when the more progressive-minded Republicans defected to the Socialist Party after Lincoln announced he would no longer try to reform the Republican Party and instead found a new party, said party being the Socialist Party.

With all these developments, the stage was set for the 1884 presidential election.

At the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Illinois, held that July, there were a number of potential candidates for the Presidential nomination. They included former General Winfield Scott Hancock of Pennsylvania, Bourbon Democrat and Former Governor Grover Cleveland of New York, Senator Allen G. Thurman of Ohio, Representative Samuel J. Randall of Pennsylvania and Remembrance Democrats former governor Benjamin Butler of Massachusetts, Governor Joshua Chamberlain of Maine and General George Armstrong Custer of Michigan. On the first day of the convention, Custer, despite his popularity as a result of his winning the Battle of Teton, declined to run for the party's nomination for Presidential candidate, citing his lack of experience in politics and his desire to stay in the army. The other Remembrance Democrats, Butler and Chamberlain lost the first round of ballots, as the delegates decided the country was not ready for a Democratic President from the party's Remembrance faction so soon after the Second Mexican War. Representative Randall was voted off the next round of ballots, then Senator Thurman. This left General Hancock and Former Governor Cleveland. Cleveland, as a part of the party's Bourbon wing, favored big business interests, civil service reform, lower tariffs and the gold standard, and also promised to rebuild the nation's damaged defenses and reform the armed forces, though these last two goals seemed less a priory for Cleveland. Ultimately, Cleveland's lack of emphasis for the state of the nation's defenses and armed forces, a priority for many of the delegates and many other Americans after the Second Mexican War, partly proved his undoing, as well as the fact that Cleveland was a bad campaigner and his goal of civil service reform made him unpopular with Tammany Hall. On the other hand, Winfield Scott Hancock had emphasized that the rebuilding the nation's defenses and the reformation the armed forces were his top priorities, as well as overall peace and prosperity for the nation. Hancock, a former general and war hero of both the War of Secession and Second Mexican War, was also one of the few US generals to serve in both wars with his reputation still intact. Hancock survived the military tribunals of 1863 and 1864, having been spared the unfortunate fates of Grant, Buell, Fitzporter, Hooker and others, and also displayed great leadership during the Kentucky Campaign of the Second Mexican War. This made him a symbol of hope for the people of the beleaguered United States. As a result of all this, Winfield Scott Hancock was elected to be the Democrat's candidate for the Presidency. Senator Allen G. Thurman, who ironically was born in Virginia but moved to Ohio with his family when he was two years old, was chosen as his running mate to balance the ticket between a former general and a seasoned senator. From July through to November, Hancock ran on a campaign of peace, rebuilding of the nations defenses and reforming the nations armed forces. However, Hancock promised that he would not reform the military in the radical ways many military personal had suggested. For example, Hancock promised not to do away with the militia system, only reform it.

At the Republican National Convention, held in Chicago back in June, all of the delegates attending knew there was little to no hope of the election going in their favor. Still, the delegates decided to make the best of it. One delegate, Senator and future-President Nelson Aldrich of Rhode Island, decided to find a new candidate who would benefit the party most. He tried to convince, Senator William Allison of Iowa, then newly appointed Chief Justice James Garfield of Ohio and House Minority Leader Elihu Washburne of Maine to challenge Blaine at the convention. Nevertheless, none were interested, as they all knew it would be a fools errand to run for the Republican ticket, as the Democrats would most certainly win and win big. As a result, Blaine accepted his nomination for Presidential Candidate. He had considered stepping out of the race, but in the end decided that he should run anyways, seeing it as the chivalrous thing to do. The incumbent Vice President J. Donald Cameron also decided against stepping out of the race, once again serving as Blaine's running mate. Blaine, knowing how unpopular he was, never personally campaigned, and sent personal supporters and other underlings to do it for him. The Republican campaign centered on generally rebuilding the nation after its defeat in the Second Mexican War, economically, militarily and defensively. Most voters didn't buy it, and simply saw it as the Republican Party's way of cheaply covering their tracks.

At the first Socialist National Convention, held in Chicago a week after the Democratic National Convention, there was only one candidate for the presidential nomination; former President Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the party. As the party was in its infancy, it seemed only natural that the man who formed said party should lead it in the first election they were to participate in. No one else in the party seriously contested Lincoln due to the fact that there was simply no one else as influential in the young party as he was, and as a result no other suitable candidate came in time for the 1884 elections. As Lincoln himself said "The half of our party that isn't German wears short pants" [1]. All that remained was for the convention now was to chose Lincoln's running mate. Friedrich Sorge, the German-born co-founder of the party, was a popular figure, though ineligible to be Lincoln's running mate due to the fact that he was foreign-born. The convention decided instead on newspaper publisher Davis Hanson Waite of Colorado, who joined the Socialist Party a year after its founding in 1883 and became one of its staunchest supporters, going so far as to begin the publication of a new Socialist newspaper in his adoptive hometown of Aspen, Colorado. With that, Abraham Lincoln, at age 75, became the oldest man in American history to run for the Presidency, and under a third party, following in the footsteps of other former presidents such as Martin Van Buren of the Free Soil Party and Millard Fillmore of the Know-Nothing Party. Lincoln and Waite's campaigned centered on securing rights for the nation's workers, re-distributing the wealth of the nation to the workers and poorer classes and maintaining, peace, economic prosperity and happiness at home for all Americans. The campaign made little mention of the state of the military and armed forces, with the prospect of America having to enter another war as far from the Socialists mind as ever. Had the campaign had a stance on the military, and one which supported its reformation in some way, Lincoln may very well have had some better success. Lincoln himself made only six public appearances and speeches during the campaign due to his poor health, with Waite doing most of the campaigning as a result.

After months of campaigning by all three parties, the election was finally held on Tuesday, November 4th, 1884. When the ballots were finally counted up, it came as no surprise to anyone what the final result was. The Democrats under Hancock and Thurman won the election in a landslide, just like everyone had expected. The Republicans under Blaine and Cameron lost abysmally, just as they had twenty years previously under the now Socialist Lincoln in the 1864 election, taking only four states, Maine, President Blaine's home state, Wisconsin, the state where the Republican party was born, Minnesota and Rhode Island, the latter the home state of Senator and future-President Nelson Aldrich. For the Republicans, history was repeating itself in an almost surreal way, as for the second time, a Republican President and administration was elected out of office after only one term for botching up a war against the Confederate States, the end result being national humiliation and a discrediting of the Republican Party. The Socialists under Lincoln and Waite, the party only its in infancy and a minor third party at that, won no states and as a result no electoral votes. Still, Lincoln remained hopeful for the future of the Socialist Party. His hopes would end up coming true.

The presidential election of 1884 would go down as one of the most significant in American history. It saw the first risings of the Remembrance movement in said faction of the Democratic Party, the second and final general decline of the Republican Party (it would take a century for the party to recover and regain the White House), the cementing of more-or-less Democratic hegemony in American politics until the 1920 election and the first participation of the new-born Socialist Party, which would grow to became a major force in American politics, eventually replacing the Republicans as the second party to the Democrats, in a presidential election.

It is also interesting to note that within a decade, all the Presidential candidates of the 1884 would be dead. Abraham Lincoln died in Chicago of a heart attack while walking home from church on Good Friday, 1885, just five months after the election. President Hancock died on February 9th, 1886, only eleven months into his presidency and five days before his 62nd birthday. James G. Blaine would be the last to die, dying in his home in Augusta, Maine on January 27th, 1893, just four days before his 63rd birthday and after almost a decade of living a life of retirement from politics and public life.

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Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)/Allen G. Thurman (D-OH): 252 EV
James G. Blaine (R-ME)/J. Donald Cameron (R-PA): 28 EV
Abraham Lincoln (S-IL)/Davis Hanson Waite (S-CO): 0 EV


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[1] This quote originally comes from Craigo's Abraham Lincoln article.

[2] Map base courtesy of Turquoise Blue.
 
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"From July through to November, Hancock ran on a campaign of peace, rebuilding of the nations defenses and reforming the nations armed forces. However, Hancock promised that he would not reform the military in the radical ways many military personal had suggested. For example, Hancock promised not to do away with the reserve system, only reform it.

1884 is the election post I've been waiting for.

One quick nit picky clarification. In 1884 the contention in military reform was not whether to abolish the reserve system. In OTL and TL-191 1884 we did not have a reserve system. In OTL we did not have a Federal Army or Navy Reserve until the early 1900's with the Root reforms under TR. Until then our only reserve was the militia system. In the militia system, the states furnished extra soldiers in time of war or crises. This allowed the states to pick the officers and equipment. As a result during the Civil War alot of our Division and Corp commanders incompetent Party hacks.

Uptons big move in the early 1880's was to replace the militias with a federally regulated reserve system. He really wanted to abolish the militias at the time he he was saying hewanted to keep the militias but have them federally regulated. He at least wanted the Regular Army to pick the officers and set standards. This didnt happen in OTL until post- Spanish American war. in both TL's the Militias became the National Guard, regulated by the Fed Government.

In OTL Upton and Congressmen Garfield attempted to reform the system in 1878 but guys like Hancocks and John Logan came out against abolishing or reforming the militia system, yelling states rights.

In the Upton posts I have the reforms happening in the wake of the SMW, but Hancock didnt want to get rid of the state militias like OTL. So long story short:

"Hancock promised not to do away with the militia system, only reform it." would be more accurate.



PS Liked the Romania Post, ironically Europe in this TL is a much more peaceful place. I don't know if it ever was established that Finland declared its independence in this TL? If not I vote freedom for the Finns, Germany and Austria Hungary need some Allies. I'm thinking it was shook loose in the Civil War. I have a Norwegian resistance fighter post in mind about Max Manus and it involves him fighting in Finland.

PSS the next Lodge post will be coming hopefully next week or two, it will focus substantially on the US entrance into the Quadruple Alliance, Mahan as Secretary of State and the 1904 election. I have an idea for 1904 as a seismic shift in the Democratic Party. After Mahan's success The Remembrance Policys universally become Democrat Policies and from then on there are only Conservative and Reform Remembrance Democrats.
 
Thanks for the compliments on my 1884 election and Romania updates. :) Also thanks for the info on the militia system OTL and in Timeline-191. I edited the post just a minute ago to say militia instead of reserve, so everything should be good now. Militia is what I meant to put down anyway, I just forgot the wording for a second.

I too would say Finland is independent and German puppet state. There is some contradictory info in the novels, but its much more likely Finland is independent than not considering Germany would support and independent Finland and the Russian Tsaritsts would be too week to take it back. Also, as a German puppet state it would be a monarchy. IOTL, there actually was an attempt in 1918 to make Finland a monarchy instead of a republic, and this was supported by Germany before they lost WWI. Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse, Wilhelm II's brother in law, was supposed to be king, but since Germany lost WWI the plan fell through and Finland became a republic. I'm actually planning on writing an update very soon on Germany's Eastern European puppet states and TTL's Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

Can't wait for the next Lodge update! I must say that I've very much enjoyed all your articles in this thread. With your Lodge updates, I found the info on American politics and the different factions of the Democratic party very interesting, as well as the in-depth look on some of the events of time, such all the various labor strikes, the Haitian crises, the Nicaragua crises etc. Keep up the good work!
 

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I have an idea for 1904 as a seismic shift in the Democratic Party. After Mahan's success The Remembrance Policys universally become Democrat Policies and from then on there are only Conservative and Reform Remembrance Democrats.

That sounds about right, though as I understand it the Remembrance Democrats were also divided between the Reed Democrats (who favor a strong military buildup for defensive purposes only and are otherwise anti-imperialist), and the Mahan Democrats (who favor US expansion and a confrontational foreign policy.) Thus the Democrats would effectively have 4 factions.

Conservative Reed Democrats: (e.g. Thomas Reed, Nelson Aldrich, and Mark Hanna.)

Conservative Mahan Democrats: (e.g. Henry Cabot Lodge and Joseph Foraker.)

Reform Reed Democrats: (e.g. Henry Adams and Charles Adams)

Reform Mahan Democrats: (e.g. Theodore Roosevelt and Albert Beveridge).
 
Heres the election of 1888. Quite a bit of this info, mostly on the Democratic National Convention, comes from President Mahan and his articles on Henry Cabot Lodge and Daniel Sickles, mostly the former article.

Also, some feedback on the above list of US Presidential and Vice-Presidential Candidates would be much appreciated. Anyways, enjoy!

United States presidential election, 1888

When Winfield Scott Hancock was inaugurated as President on March 4th, 1885, the American people had hope, hope that had been lost for many years as a result of the War of Secession and Second Mexican War, hope that Hancock would rebuild the nation and lead it into a new era of peace, prosperity and prestige. If all went smoothly, many predicted that come 1888, Hancock would be first President to win a second term in office since Andrew Jackson back in 1832.

However this was not to be. On February 9th, 1886 President Hancock died suddenly of an infected carbuncle, complicated by diabetes. Hancock's untimely death led to the ascension of Vice President Allen G. Thurman, who, at age 72, became the oldest person to become President of the United States and was also the last President to be born in a Southern state, said state being Virginia. Thurman differed in many ways from his predecessor, and this became clear soon after his accession to the Presidency. For one thing, Thurman held a soft-line, almost conciliatory stance in regards to American relations towards the Confederate States, Canada and Great Britain. As a result, Thurman was not nearly as enthusiastic as Hancock was about reforming the military or showing American muscle of any kind. Thurman was mostly concerned with non-military domestic policies, such as increased business regulation and upholding the Negro Exclusion Act. As a result, during Thurman's three years in office, little military reform took place. Thurman's continued apathy towards military reform, particularly army reform, frustrated many of the Remembrance Democrats. With Hancock, the Remembrance Democrats could at least be pleased with his promises to reform the armed forces, even if not the degrees they would have preferred. With, Thurman, it was all too clear that reformation of the armed forces was being thrown on the back burner. Although Thurman proved himself to be a half-decent President, it came as a consolation for many when in January, 1888, Thurman declined to run for the Presidency again in that years election. The main reason Thurman declined to run for the Presidency again was due to his unpopularity with the increasingly powerful and vocal Remembrance Democrats, with a lesser reason being his advanced age.

The Democratic National Convention was held in New York City from June 5th-June 7th, 1888. With the Republican Party in shambles and the electoral weakness of the Socialist Party, it became obvious to many that the contest for the Presidency would ultimately be decided at the Democratic National Convention. During the first day of the convention, the main issue was national defense, an issue which President Thurman had shown apathy towards, which is why it had become the major issue at the convention in the first place. As a result, candidates from the Remembrance wing of the Democratic Party, candidates which all strived to heavily reform the armed forces and restore the United States to greatness, dominated the first day of the convention. These candidates included former Governor Benjamin Butler of Massachusetts, Governor Joshua Chamberlain of Maine, Speaker of the House Thomas Brackett Reed of Maine, Brigadier General George Armstrong Custer of Michigan and Lieutenant General Daniel Sickles of New York. Besides the Remembrance Democrats, Bourbon Democrat and former Governor Grover Cleveland of New York also threw his hat into the ring. Unlike in 1884, Custer supported his own nomination, as he felt he had spent enough years in the army and had enough overall expedience to become President. Nevertheless, Custer dropped out to due lack of funds and support. Daniel Sickles dropped out next, due to lack of funds but mostly lack of support, said support lacking due to Sickle's sordid past, notably the 1859 murder of Philip Barton Key II. Benjamin Butler and Joshua Chamberlain dropped out next, again, due to lack of funds and support. Going into the second day of the convention, this left only Reed of the Remembrance wing and Cleveland of the Bourbon wing to compete for the nomination. Like in 1884, Cleveland promised to run on a platform of business-friendly policies and anti-corruption legislation, the latter including civil service reform. However, Cleveland also promised to cut back on militarization, as he regarded the practice as expensive, wasteful and unnecessary for the nation's domestic well-being. This made him unpopular with the Remembrance Democrats and caused many other Democrats, including a young Theodore Roosevelt, to drift towards Reed and the Remembrance wing as a result. This dealt Cleveland a hard blow. Cleveland was also a bad campaigner and his promises of civil-service reform, once again, made him unpopular with Tammany Hall, who as a result of former presidential hopeful Daniel Sickles, turned their delegates over to Reed. Reed himself promised to make militarization and the reformation of the armed forces his top priority as President, so as to ensure future American power and prestige and preparedness for war against the CSA and/or British Empire. Reed also promised to reform the armed forces much more than Hancock had already done and had planned to do. With all that, Reed easily won over Cleveland and was elected in a landslide to be the Democratic candidate for the Presidency. Senator Adlai Stevenson I of Illinois, the principal author of the Stevenson Anti-Trust Act enacted that same year, was chosen to be Reed's running-mate to balance the ticket. Stevenson was a staunch supporter of business regulation, while Reed's main goals were for militarization and military reform. Reed and Stevenson would personally campaign across the country in the months leading up to election, the Democratic platform centered on militarization and large-scale reformation of the US armed forces.

At the Republican National Convention, held in Chicago, Illinois from June 19th-June 25th, there were a number of potential candidates; Chief Justice James A. Garfield of Ohio, former Secretary of War Benjamin Harrison of Indiana, Senator William Allison of Iowa, Governor Jeremiah M. Rusk of Wisconsin and former Governor Russell A. Alger of Michigan. Harrison was the first to drop out due lack of support, support which was lacking due to his role as Secretary of War during the Blaine administration and Second Mexican War, and his role in the nations loss of said war. Allison, Rusk and Alger dropped out next due to lack of funds and support, leaving only Garfield to contest the nomination. Garfield's main focuses were on civil service reform, reformation of the armed forces (stealing a page from the Remembrance Democrats) general economic matters, including bimetallism. Not all Republican delegates, particularly western ones, liked him, but since he was the only contender, they had no choice. As a result, Garfield was elected to be the Republican Party's candidate for the Presidency. Senator William Allison of Iowa was chosen as his running-mate to have the ticket appeal the increasingly distant western Republican voters [1]. Unlike Blaine and Cameron, Garfield and Allison campaigned personally, mostly in the Northeast and Midwest, their platform centered on civil service reform, armed forces reform and general economic issues. Garfield and Allison thought that by campaigning personally they would boost the confidence of the Republican voters. While their campaigning proved beneficial to the Republican cause and did indeed boost their voters confidence, even Garfield himself knew that the Republicans would more likely than not loose the election to the Democrats.

At the Socialist National Convention, held from July 1st-July 8th, in Denver, Colorado, the party at first struggled to find the perfect candidate out of so many choices. The candidates included newspaper publisher and Lincoln's 1884 running-mate Davis Hanson Waite of Colorado, Representative James B. Weaver of Iowa, Labor Union leader Terence V. Powderly of Pennsylvania, writer and activist Edward Bellamy of Massachusetts, representative Marion Cannon of California and politician Charles H. Matchett of New York. Waite was the first to drop out, as he no longer had any interest in becoming President and wanted to focus on the publication of his socialist newspaper in Apsen, Colorado. Cannon and Matchell lacked funds and wide-ranging support, so both dropped out on the third day. Bellamy, who had published his novel Looking Backward: 2000-1887 that same year, had enough overall appeal, but was seen as politically inexperienced. As a result Bellamy dropped out on the forth day. This left Weaver and Powdery to contest the nomination. Weaver, a member of the House of Representatives since 1879, was seen as more politically experienced than Powderly. On the other hand, Powderly was seen as a weak leader due to his inability to control the different factions of the Knights of Labor, and his Catholicism alienated many other members of the party as well. As a result, James B. Weaver was chosen to be the Socialist Party's candidate, with Marion Cannon chosen as his running mate. Weaver and Cannon both personally campaigned across the country and ran on a platform supporting public ownership of railroads, telegraph and telephone systems, a graduated income tax, the unlimited coinage of silver [2] and business regulation. The Socialists made little to no mention of the military, militarization or military reform. To both Weaver and Cannon, the need for militarization and military reform was unnecessary or, at the most, secondary, and that the nation should focus on domestic issues rather than a hypothetical future conflict with the CSA and/or the British Empire, a war which they and most in the Socialist Party didn't believe was going to happen and didn't believe the nation should attempt to fight.

The election was held on Tuesday, November 6th, 1888. As was predicted by almost all observers, the Democrats under Reed and Stevenson won the election in yet another landslide. They took most of the country, which included the entire Eastern and Western coasts and most of the Midwest. This second win in a row for the Democratic Party, combined with their support of the Remembrance movement, the decline of the Republican Party and weakness of the Socialist Party, further cemented their hegemony in American politics and in the American Presidency. A Democrat wouldn't be kicked out of the White House/Powell House until the election of 1920. The Republicans under Garfield and Allison did better than the Republicans did in the last election in terms of electoral votes, but did worse in terms of the number of states won. The Republicans won only three states; the solidly Republican Minnesota and Wisconsin, both of which Blaine won in 1884, and Allison's home state of Iowa. The Socialists, while winning the least number of electoral votes, finally showed their worth by winning a state for the first time and in only their second election. The state they won was none other than Colorado, a state which was quickly becoming a socialist stronghold.

With Reed winning the Presidency, the Remembrance Democrats celebrated, and Remembrance celebrations broke out in a number of major cities such as New York, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Baltimore, among others. To the American people, it seemed that the hope of a President who would restore the country to greatness had finally arrived. Lame-Duck President Thurman, though in disagreement with almost all of Reed and the Remembrance Democrat's policies, personally congratulated Reed in a private letter. Meanwhile, James A. Garfield returned to his post as Chief Justice, a post he would continue to hold until his death in 1889. James B. Weaver continued to serve in the House of Representatives until he was voted out in the 1892 elections. As for outgoing President Thurman, after Reed's inauguration he moved back to his home in Columbus, Ohio. There he retired from politics and public life, living peacefully until his death in 1895.

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Thomas Brackett Reed (D-ME)/Adlai Stevenson I (D-IL): 247 EV
James A. Garfield (R-OH)/William B. Allison (R-IA): 31 EV
James B. Weaver (S-IA)/Marion Cannon (S-CA): 3 EV


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[1] In Turquoise Blue's original list of candidates, Joseph Medill was Garfield's running mate. However, Medill was born in New Brunswick, Canada, so he'd be ineligible to run for VP. Therefore, Allison is now Garfield's running mate.

[2] Everything up to here was also the platform of the OTL Populist Party in the 1892 election.

[3] Map courtesy of Turquoise Blue.
 
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Also, some feedback on the above list of US Presidential and Vice-Presidential Candidates would be much appreciated. Anyways, enjoy!

List looks pretty good. The only issue I see with it is the 1908 Socialist candidates are both from Wisconsin (which is not technically illegal but is rather unlikely.) A Wikipedia check on Emil Seidel though shows that he grew up in Pennsylvania, so we could keep him as the Socialist veep candidate and just assume that in TL-191 he stayed in Pennsylvania.
 
Heres a new 1884 election map. The 1884 election post will be updated with this map and electoral data as a result. Map base courtesy of Turquoise Blue.

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Map for my next article, which should be up in the next few minutes. Map base courtesy of Turquoise Blue.

Judging from the Map the Socialists are msot succesful with western miners? I think it would be hilarious if to this day in TL 191, a big chink of the Socialists party delegates continue to give the Bellamy salute at Party meetings and conventions in honor of ol' Ed Bellamy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
 
Much of this info comes from the part of President Mahan's article on Henry Cabot Lodge that deals with the year 1892, though allot of it I reworded and got rid of some other parts that weren't 100% relevant to the election itself. Anyways, enjoy!

United States presidential election, 1892

President Thomas Brackett Reed proved to be a highly popular president during his first term in office. He restored confidence and prestige to both the federal government and the armed forces, the armed forces having begun a large-scale reformation under the newly appointed Chief of Staff Emory Upton. As a direct result of his accomplishments, Reed had given confidence to the American people as well. When 1892 came, Reed would see whether his aforementioned accomplishments and popularity would earn him a second term in office. Reed's popularity stood strong into 1892, despite labor unrest resulting from new taxes and increased militarization. With his popularity, combined with the decline of the Republican Party and the electoral weakness of the Socialist Party, many expected for Reed to easily win a second term in office. If that were to happen, it would be the first time since Andrew Jackson and the 1832 election that a President would be elected twice and serve another term in office. The only obstacles Reed faced were infighting between the different factions in the Democratic Party that could prevent his re-nomination, a very real concern, or some random, unforeseen event that would lead to his demise (the latter had been the case for President Hancock). All Reed had to do before he began his campaign for a second term was to re-nominated the Democratic Party. Also, as a result of Reed's popularity, 1892 was marked by little debate on legislation or action in foreign policy.

The Democratic National Convention began in Chicago on June 21st, 1892. Due to years of infighting between the different factions of the Democratic Party, no one was sure if Reed would win the nomination. Reed was popular nationally and with the American people, but not all Democratic party bosses approved of him and his policies. Reed had failed to go through with significant civil service reform, frustrating the civil reformers, and he was seen as too radically Federalist for the states righters, who constantly refereed to him pejoratively as "Czar Reed". This infighting within the Democratic Party showed itself in the months leading up the election in the form of serious infighting within Reed's cabinet. This infighting included disputes between President Reed and Secretary of State John W. Foster over the line Reed took in regards to Anglo-Confederate machinations in the Western Hemisphere and disputes between President Reed and Attorney General Richard Olney over the latter's turning a blind eye to corporations use of the Pinkerton Detective Agency to break up strikes and disrupt Socialist Party meetings. Reed had trouble putting down these cabinet troubles and as a result, entered the convention in shakier position then he wanted. As soon as the convention began, the many heads of the Democratic Hydra began to show themselves. In the end ten names, including Reed's, were put forward for nomination, including a number of Bourbon Democrat candidates. These names included Vice President Adlai Stevenson I of Illinois, Attorney General Richard Olney of Massachusetts, Secretary of the Navy Alfred Thayer Mahan of New York, Secretary of the Interior Robert E. Pattison of Pennsylvania, Judge James E. Campbell of Ohio, former Postmaster General Walter Q. Gresham of Indiana, Senator David B. Hill of New York, Senator Arthur Pue Gorman of Maryland, and former Governor Grover Cleveland of New York, the last three candidates Bourbon Democrats. While the convention started off in a deadlock like most Democratic Conventions, things immediately took a different turn. The power of the Remembrance faction of the party had only grown since Reed's election in 1888. Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, a Remembrance Democrat himself, make a number of quick deals with several candidates including Judge Campbell, whom he promised a Supreme Court Justiceship. Lodge also promised former Postmaster General Gresham of Indiana the position of Secretary of State. Lastly, a deal between Lodge and the Pennsylvania party boss Mathew S. Quay was reached for his votes to go to Reed in exchange for Reed making the business friendly Philander Knox Secretary of the Interior. As as result of Lodge's deals, on June 23rd, Reed won the Democratic nomination on the third Ballot. Vice President Stevenson would once again be his running mate.

The Republican National Convention, held in Minneapolis from June 23rd-June 29th, proved to be just as contentious as the Democratic convention. It was at this convention that for the first time the different factions of the Republican Party broke apart. Many Midwestern party bosses felt that the party was too beholden to Eastern leaders such as Nelson Aldrich of Rhode Island and Thomas Platt of New York, which kept the party as a sort of “Remembrance-lite”, nominally supporting militarization and armed forces reform thought not nearly as revenchist as the Remembrance Democrats and not all wanting a war of revenge against the CSA and British Empire. On the other hand, Western/Midwestern Republicans, holding very different views compared to the Eastern Republicans, had a good amount of success appealing to the concerns of mid-westerners and in particular, farmers and their concerns. This "Western Faction" of the party staged a coup against the "Remembrance-lite" "Eastern Faction" nominating Senator John Sherman of Ohio to be the party's candidate for the Presidency. The elderly Senator Justin Morrill of Vermont was chosen to be Sherman's running mate in an effort to appeal to whatever Eastern Republicans wished to remain in the party. Sherman, the younger brother of William Tecumseh Sherman, ran on a campaign that promised trust-busting, civil service reform, tariff reduction, and bimetallism. As a result of the "Western Coup", as it latter came to be known, more and more Remembrance-lite/Eastern Republicans, including future-President Nelson Aldrich, defected to the Democratic Party. By the time the 1892 election finally came around, the power of the Republican Party had shifted west.

The Socialist National Convention, held in Milwaukee, was a much more subdued affair compared to the Democratic and Republican national conventions. The Socialist National Convention began on July 10th, 1892 in the shadow of the Homestead Strike. As a result, many delegates wanted to capitalize on the recent successes in the strike by nominating a fiery orator to inflame America's already enraged workforce. The Socialist Party's biggest debate in this period was whether to elect more intellectual candidates that would appeal to the middle class or more populist democrats that would mobilize the more conservative farmers. As public support turned against the strikers the more intellectual minded faction won out and on July 15th, elected writer and activist Edward Bellamy of Massachusetts to be their candidate for the Presidency. Governor Sylvester Pennoyer of Oregon, one of the nation's first Socialist governors, was chosen to be Bellamy's running mate in an effort to balance the ticket and appeal to the more populist democrats who otherwise wound't support Bellamy for the Presidency. Bellamy, the author of a bestselling novel on a Utopian-Socialist future entitled Looking Backward: 2000-1887, was a nationally known figure. His message had spurred the creation of more than 100 Socialist organizations across the country. While no one expected a victory, many hoped his campaign would give a gentler more intellectual face to party after the years of labor strife.

As was expected, Reed, Stevenson and the Democratic Party won the election yet again, thought not in a landslide like in the two previous elections. Sherman and the Republican Party came in a solid second winning many more states that the party did in last two elections. These states were Ohio, Kansas, Wisconsin, Minnesota as well most of the new western states, said states being Wyoming, Idaho and Washington. Bellamy and the Socialist Party came in last, but with a dramatic increase of voters from previous years, winning with 19% of the popular vote. The Homestead Strike helped to draw attention to the plight of the workers and the need for improved working conditions. Bellamy's peaceful approach to the strike garnered allot of support of those who overwise wouldn't have supported the Socialist cause. In this election, Bellamy had garnered more support for the Socialists than either of his more fiery predecessors, Abraham Lincoln and James B. Weaver. Meanwhile, the Democrats, especially those of the Remembrance wing, were jubilant at Reed's wining of the election. For another four years, Reed would continue his policies of bringing the United States of America, her government and her military back to greatness. Also, for the first time in sixty years, since Andrew Jackson and the 1832 election, a US President had been elected twice and to serve another term in office.

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Thomas Brackett Reed (D-ME)/Aldai Stevenson I (D-IL): 261 EV
John Sherman (R-OH)/Justin Morrill (R-VT): 64 EV
Edward Bellamy (S-MA)/Sylvester Pennoyer (S-OR): 12 EV


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[1] Map base courtesy of Turquoise Blue.
 
In the first bguy's bio on Nelson Aldrich, it was mentioned that Rhode Island voted Republican in 1884.
I thought you changed the numbers on the map.

Anyway, House and Senate in TL-191. Have anybody did anything on the evolution of this?

I know this is supposed to be focused on the gap between HFR and the Great War, but I wonder what happened to the US Freedom Party. Or was they like Sinn Fein?
 
I thought you changed the numbers on the map.

Anyway, House and Senate in TL-191. Have anybody did anything on the evolution of this?

I know this is supposed to be focused on the gap between HFR and the Great War, but I wonder what happened to the US Freedom Party. Or was they like Sinn Fein?


I think the gap refers to the the historical information Turtledove left out of the whole series. So Anything from 1862 to 1945 is fair game. Not just from HFR to the GW1.

Craigo made a list of US and CS speakers of the House, but outside of that not much info. If you have a post in mind on the House and Senate in either contry I would love to hear it. Especially if it talks over the US Freedom party members.
 
Well, I'm not the type to type a lot up about something, really.

I don't know much of the traditions of the House of Representatives...

But maybe the minority leader thing ends up obsolete as the whole mess with Republicans and Socialists ensure no coherent minority can be found.

That has a ripplepoint and destroys the concept of Majority and Minority Leaders completely, making the floor leaders (later House Leaders) the actual important post.

So a bit more parliamentarian due to the collapse of the traditional two-party system right when the whole rules get formalised.

The Speaker of the House is still equivalent to majority floor leader (it was decoupled thanks to a too big House, which is not the case ATL).

There are still advantages given to the second party over the third, of course, but the erasure of the Majority-Minority structure enables a weaker duopoly.

Of course, I don't know much about the House, though...
 
List looks pretty good. The only issue I see with it is the 1908 Socialist candidates are both from Wisconsin (which is not technically illegal but is rather unlikely.) A Wikipedia check on Emil Seidel though shows that he grew up in Pennsylvania, so we could keep him as the Socialist veep candidate and just assume that in TL-191 he stayed in Pennsylvania.

I edited the list so that Seidel is from Pennsylvania. I also replaced James Eli Watson with Theodore E. Burton in the 1916 election. Now the list is perfect! :D

Judging from the Map the Socialists are msot succesful with western miners? I think it would be hilarious if to this day in TL 191, a big chink of the Socialists party delegates continue to give the Bellamy salute at Party meetings and conventions in honor of ol' Ed Bellamy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

It would seem that way.

The Bellamy Salute was actually invented by Francis Bellamy, Edward's cousin. Speaking of which, did the Freedom Party ever adopt the Roman salute? Since Mussolini failed to take power IITL probably not. Did the books ever mention anything about that? I've only read How Few Remain so far, though I'm planning on reading the rest of the books very soon.

I thought you changed the numbers on the map.

I see. I didn't, just the Electoral votes. Good thing thats cleared up. :)
 
Sneak preview for my next article on the 1896 election. A revised map of the 1896 according to Perhaphsburg's article on William Jennings Bryan. Base map courtesy of Turquoise Blue.

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Okay I'm sorry to ask this and interrupt this thread but for a timeline I'm working on I need to know the Secretary of State for the U.S. during the Second Great War in Timeline-191 and I don't know if a name was ever given or dropped. So does anyone know if there was a named Secretary of State and if not could one of you suggest a name?

Again sorry to interrupt this thread.
 
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