The Red Princess

Eleanor Talbot (Lady Butler) was the alleged pre-contracted lady. Daughter of the Earl of Shrewsbury.

The Dowager Duchess of Somerset's were
1) Margaret Beauchamp of Bletsoe - she died around 1482 (her estates were inherited from her brother) - widow of the 1st Duke of Somerset and mother to Margaret Beaufort - her estates would have been divided between the issue of her three marriages (with preference to her son's from her first and third marriages) unless specific entails existed and of course any land settled on her by her second husband the Duke would have reverted to her daughter.
2) Lady Eleanor Beauchamp - widow of the 1st Duke of Somerset (2nd creation) - she died in 1467 - half sister to the Countess of Warwick - who had inherited the lands of their brother.

Margaret Beaufort's wealth was largely in land (as was usual) - land usually had a value termed in how much it provided per annum - so marriage contracts and dowers usually suggested lands worth say 500 marks per annum would be settled on the couple and so on.

I haven't seen an actual figure - but the bulk of her inheritance will have come from her father (and his mother Margaret Holland who was a co-heir to the Holland Earls of Kent) - she would have also had a dower settlement from her second marriage.

So, I still haven't found anything on Margaret Beaufort, especially since I'm wondering how much of the Beaufort inheritance the dowager duchess of Somerset (Elinor Talbot, Stillington's alleged Mrs. King) would be entitled to. And also how much the king could make Maggie surrender in order to get her son back.

That said, would it be entirely ASB that Charles of Burgundy might toy with a betrothal to the Infanta Isabel of Aragon to the comte de Charolais? And if said betrothal/marriage were to occur, what might be the respective parents' reactions to it? Not to mention France and England's kings.
 
Alternate Marriages for the Kids of the Catholic Monarchs?

For my TL, I've sort of screwed up the chances of Ferdinand and Isabel's daughters (who for the sake of our own sanity will still be born on their OTL dates) marrying any of their OTL husbands (at least as far as Isabel, Maria and Catalina are concerned).

I was hoping for suggestions for them, and here's my suggestion:
1. Isabel (1470-) m: Charles of Burgundy, Comte de Charolais (1472-)
2. Juan, prince de los Asturias (1475-) m: Anne of York (1475-)?/Margarethe of Austria (1480-)?
3. Fernando, infante of Spain (would he have a ducal title or not? And which dukedom might he have? Could we see Spain getting a 'duke of York/duc d'Orléans style?) (1477-) m: Giovanna of Naples (147:cool:?
4. Juana (1479-) m: ?
5. Maria/Ana (1480-) m: ?
6. Catalina (1485-) m: ?

I know Fernando toyed with the ideas of marrying his daughters off to the Crown Prince of Navarre (I would imagine that this was Francis Febus, since Henri II would be young enough to marry a granddaughter) and the Hereditary Prince of Naples (so I suppose one of them could make a double marriage with Naples, Fernando marrying Giovanna and one of his sisters marrying her OTL husband). Also, I can see the Catholic Monarchs trying to get a marriage through with Portugal (although it will likely be with Joao II's grandson, rather than his son).
 
An idea that I had yesterday was to marry La Beltraneja instead to her widower cousin, the widower Crown Prince of Portugal. They have one or two kids, but then, if La Beltraneja's marriage is dissolved, she herself is "illegitimate", her kids are rendered illegitimate through the divorce, forcing her husband to remarry again. Plausible? Too much of a stretch?
 
An idea that I had yesterday was to marry La Beltraneja instead to her widower cousin, the widower Crown Prince of Portugal. They have one or two kids, but then, if La Beltraneja's marriage is dissolved, she herself is "illegitimate", her kids are rendered illegitimate through the divorce, forcing her husband to remarry again. Plausible? Too much of a stretch?

In OTL La Beltraneja was married in Proxy to the duke of Berry before his death.
 
1478


The first event of the New Year is the birth of a son to the King of Portugal and his wife, Juana, the called Queen of Castile. This little boy is christened Henrique after the Queen’s father. Needless to say, this merely intensifies the rivalry between her and her niece. This is not Juana’s first child, though. She has already produced a daughter – named Leonor – in 1475. However, little Leonor’s health is not the most sterling, and she has barely managed to make the age of three.


But while the princess of Girona is recovering from her miscarriage (10 January), the Aragonese are already trying their luck in Rome. The king of Aragon’s daughter is also the queen of Naples, and with a son-in-law who is sitting uncomfortably close to the pope’s borders, they are now attempting to (by any means, fair or foul) have the Queen of Portugal declared illegitimate and her marriage invalid. Truth be told, the illegitimate part is not too difficult given her mother’s carryings-on that resulted in the birth of two bastard sons following the dissolution of her own marriage – by a bishop no less! The invaldity of the marriage is the problem.


See, the prince and princess of Girona can’t pry too deeply into the validity of their rival’s marriage due to the fact the bull granting the dispensation for their own marriage was obtained under dubious circumstances. And while the marriage took place between two consenting parties, and has clearly been ratified (as evinced by their children), it doesn’t dispel the notion of standing behind the door and pointing fingers at someone you think should rather be there.


Which is why the envoys are rather focusing on the illegitimacy of Juana than the invalidity of the marriage.


And 1478 seems to be a year for invalid marriages (fact or fiction). The king of England is dealing with his own headache – the duke of Clarence. See, Clarence is up to his eyeballs in treasonous activities. Firstly, he tried and summarily convicted and executed a Welshwoman for witchcraft (by which she had caused the death of the duchess of Clarence), secondly he’s consulting astronomers and magicians as to foretell the hour of the king’s death, but it is his most recent activity which is causing the most problems.


A member of the king’s council, who also happens to occupy the see of Bath, one Robert Stillington, is involved. Later historians will dispute Stillington’s motives, especially since the man owes almost everything to the house of York. His bishopric, his chancellorship and his presidency of the council, have all been obtained as rewards for his support for the king.


But that aside, Stillington has approached Clarence with the knowledge of a previous marriage of the king – to the dowager duchess of Beaufort – namely that his rewarding is more like Edward bribing him to keep quiet. Of late, Stillington and the king are at cross-purposes in the council (which is probably why he went to Clarence). Now, of course, a court is a porous environment, and it doesn’t take long before the whispers start echoing down the palace corridors that the marriage of the king and queen is invalid and their children illegitimate, because his Highness is actually married to the duchess of Beaufort.


This puts Edward in a bind. He has been hounded on-and-off by rumors of his own illegitimacy – namely that his mother took up with an archer way back when. He doesn’t need his own children to be hounded by the same issue. And Clarence is the person spreading these rumors (as before). Stillington is given an all-expenses paid vacation in the Tower of London while his trial for treason is pending.


The trial is needless to say a sensation – so much so that there exist rumors that King Louis is slowly walking away from marrying the dauphin to the Princess Elizabeth (who might or might not be nothing more than a royal bastard, right now). A specially constituted tribunal – consisting of the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, and the dukes of Gloucester, Buckingham, Norfolk and Suffolk – is formed in order to ajudge as to whether there is any validity to Stillington’s claims.


And the first two persons it calls are the two premier people involved in this suit: King Edward and Duchess Eleanor. The duchess affirms that she has never known any man but ‘her lord and husband of fond memory’, the duke of Beaufort. The king, on the other hand solemnly vows that ‘he never contracted any kind of legal or spiritual bond with the Lady Eleanor Talbot and only had affection and kindness for her’ and thus he was free to take another wife, namely the queen.

Other witnesses are called in – the dowager duchess of York, the king’s mother; and Talbot’s own family members. Talbot’s own family swears left and right that there was no such marriage. While the dowager duchess of York indicates that her late husband had merely considered such a match, but that nothing concrete was ever discussed.


Thus, the court finds Stillington guilty of treason and sedition against his sovereign and lord, the King. The king’s marriage is declared valid and his children’s legitimacy assured. Stillington has no such luck. Treason carries a death penalty, with an execution pending.


However, since in treason there are no accomplices, only primaries, Clarence by his involvement, is rendered likewise culpable. As a later biographer will phrase it ‘Clarence is an apple rotten to the core’. And while Edward would like to turn a blind eye to his brother’s faults, when they play out on such a public stage, his hand is forced. And so the charges are drawn up for Clarence to be tried for treason.


This move shocks several at court – most notably the king’s mother, who reasons, pleads and protests against Edward’s actions. Others who attempt to intervene for Clarence include the queen – who has no love for her brother-in-law – who tries to tell Edward that to do such a thing will endanger their crown and all that Edward has worked for for the good of England.


In a later drama based on the events of the period, the character of Marguerite d’Anjou blasély comments to Lady Stanley and Lady Suffolk that ‘his grace has gambled with too high stakes, for much like his father, he aimed for the crown, and yet he learned nothing from that man’s demise’. In truth, Marguerite simply says that ‘if the duke is a traitor, as a traitor he must die’. This last comment she makes in private, considering the touch-and-go relations she has with the Yorks, most notably since she had the late duke of York – father of the king, the dukes of Clarence and Gloucester, and the duchesses of Suffolk and Burgundy – beheaded for treason. Granted, Marguerite added insult to injury by spiking the late duke’s head over the gates of York, crowned with a coronet made of paper. Something the dowager duchess has never forgiven her for.


At first Clarence treats the court in a high-handed fashion, his cavalier attitude surprising many, especially those who consider the trial a mere formality and the verdict a foregone conclusion. It is only when things start coming to a head that Clarence realizes the gravity of the situation, and that his brother is not going to be moving to save him. Not this time. Still, he reasons that the king will stop short of executing his own brother.


Thus, when the axe falls (no pun intended) that Clarence has been attainted for treason, judged guilty and sentenced to die by beheading, the duke is visibly stunned. And suddenly, the man is reduced to a shivering, trembling wreck as he is led away, cursing his brothers, the queen (the villain in any evil to befall him), the evil counsel to which Edward has listened.


Clarence is spared a public execution – only by virtue of Edward deciding not to make any more of a spectacle of his brother – and is to be privately helped along to his maker, observed only by Gloucester (the king’s representative), the dukes of Buckingham, Norfolk and Suffolk, and the bishop of London.


And so ends the life of George, son of Richard, duke of York and Cicely Neville, duke of Clarence, earl of Warwick and Salisbury.


There’s another slight problem in the Clarence case. After his wife and second son died, and George started seeing villains behind every bush, he might’ve thought up the idea of protecting his only surviving son in a rash fever dream. By exporting the boy. To his beloved sister in Burgundy. So, now Edward has to deal with Margaret having in her custody the young Edward, Earl of Warwick.


While Margaret is a member of the York branch of the house of Plantagenet, unlike her sisters, she’s a foreign subject by virtue of her marriage. Thus, Edward IV cannot simply order her to release their nephew. See, while Warwick at first glance isn’t terribly important – Edward, Prince of Wales, Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York and George of Windsor, Duke of Bedford, plus the bevy of their sisters, all precede him in the English succession – he is by virtue of his mother, a rather large landholder (equalled only by the duke of Gloucester) in England. So, it is necessary to get him back, otherwise he’s likely to do exactly the same to Edward IV or his son, what Edward IV and Henry IV both did to their respective kings.


Needless to say, Margaret is rather surprised by the arrival of her nephew. However, the politician in her realizes what diplomatic leverage this is on the English. She can persuade her husband to trade back Warwick in exchange for an English match for their son. However, Charles, is still smarting from the previous year’s military defeat, and the lack of prestige that accompanied the treaty that he was forced to sign with the French, wherein he was forced to cede Franche-Comté and Artois to France, return the duchy of Gelderland to the rightful heir, Karel II van Egmont, as well as betroth the comte de Charolais to an unspecified French princess.


The duke of Burgundy has other ideas. Namely to use Warwick as diplomatic leverage to get an English alliance and attack France conjointly. He already has his own marriage plans for his son. And they have been tailored to this end. The Aragonese have the Portuguese on the ropes as far as the War of the Castilian Succession is concerned. But just in case, he’s going between the Aragonese and the Portuguese, with the threat of ‘if you don’t like it, I’ll talk to the other side’. And finally, he gets it right that his son is betrothed (despite being engaged to an unnamed French girl), to either Infanta Leonor of Portugal and Castile (b.1475) or the Infanta Isabel of Aragon and Castile (b.1470) and the promise of a military alliance from Castile by the Treaty of Badajoz (with the Portuguese) and the Treaty of Lleria (with the Aragonese).


His recent marriage of his daughter, Marie, to Archduke Maximilian means that the Holy Roman Empire, in theory, is also on side with the military alliance.


Back in England, carrying on concurrently with the king’s trials was his legal troubles with the dukedom of Norfolk. The duke and his wife have only one surviving child – a little girl, named Elizabeth de Mowbray (b. 1472). The duke has taken ill of late, and is looking to secure his titles. The original plan was to marry Elizabeth off to her cousin, Thomas, Viscount Berkeley (b. 1468). However, since the young viscount’s death earlier in the year, a new husband is needed. Thomas is the only son of the Marquess of Berkeley, William, nicknamed ‘Waste-all’. And now, his considerably diminished estate should be passing to his brother, Maurice. However, William had Maurice disinherited a few years back, due to him contracting a lower marriage. Thus, the heir to the Berkeley estate is his five year old daughter, Katherine (b. 1473). The title of ‘Marquess of Berkeley’ has been willed to the king and his heirs-male. All Maurice is getting is the barony with the Berkeley name on it.


But back to the young widowed Elizabeth. Once the duke of Norfolk dies, his titles will go extinct in the male line. The next heir is Sir John Howard – but his relation to Elizabeth is as distant as Berkeley’s was. And besides, the man is nearly sixty. And a firm adherent of Richard of Gloucester.


Since the prince of Wales is to be married to the Princess Anne, and the little duke of York is to be married to Anne of Brittany, the next royal male in line for the throne is, Prince George, Duke of Bedford. And the duke would be rather interested in marrying Elizabeth off into the royal family, whilst Katherine Berkeley will marry Thomas Howard, grandson and eventual heir of Sir John Howard.


Meanwhile, Edward’s been having second thoughts on this whole ‘marry Elizabeth to the dauphin’ thing. Especially with regard to Louis’ arachnical acrobatics during the trial of Stillington/Clarence. Louis, had, in the time that that had taken, broached the subject of marrying the dauphin to either the eldest daughter of the prince and princess of Girona, Isabel (b.1470) or the queen of Navarre’s granddaughter, Catherine de Foix (b. 1470).


Of course, both Edward and Louis are too much politicians to be too put off by this. So, for now, the French betrothal limps on. Although Edward is starting to cast around for other possible matches for his eldest daughter.


But he’s looking for two bridegrooms instead of one. The king of Denmark, Sweden and Norway decided that he can’t wait any longer for Mary (Edward’s second daughter) to grow up, and has married the more age appropriate Christine of Saxony (b.1461) instead.


He’s managed to get his daughter, Anne (b.1475) betrothed to Juan, the Prince of the Asturias, and Cecily’s upcoming wedding to the future king of Scots is rapidly approaching, but Elizabeth and Mary are both going to be too old to be married to the newborn son of the Archduke Maximilian and his Burgundian wife, Philipp (b.1478). The duchess of Burgundy’s anger at Edward for what she sees as a judicial murder of Clarence (her favorite sibling) plus the fact that her husband is playing diplomatic hardball concerning Warwick, means that a Burgundian match is out. And although the queen of Navarre is putting out feelers for a marriage to her eldest grandson, Francisco, prince of Viana (b.1466), Edward doesn’t really consider it a suitable match for his eldest two daughters.


But in the marriage department, the King of Bohemia, Władysław VII, who married Princess Beatrice of Naples (b.1457) in 1476, due to his troubles with King Mátyás to the south (Mátyás also claims Władysław’s throne, and has used the style of ‘King of Bohemia’ for the better part of the last decade), has no desire to see the Corvinid dynasty perpetuated, least of all since Mátyás’ son, Istvan, has inherited the dukedom of Glogow through his mother.

Thus, him (or rather his wife, the person who’s really wearing the trousers in this relationship), decides that a way around this is to have Rome declare Mátyás’ marriage void.


On what grounds? Well, Mátyás’ current wife, Helena Tomašević, is related to his first wife, Elizabeth of Celje. Her mother, Maria Helena Branković is Elizabeth of Celje’s cousin. And due to the dispensation issued not making mention of that pesky little detail, Beatrice and Władysław seek to have the legitimacy of the marriage overturned on those grounds.


In England, an interesting marriage proposal arrives just before Christmas. From the king of Portugal. He’s aware of the finagling going on in Rome to have his marriage declared void. And he’d kind of like to have a degree of back up from Portugal’s oldest and dearest ally – England. He proposes his son by the Castilian queen, Henrique, for Edward’s youngest daughter, Anne. However, Edward, who has only just got the court of Aragon to agree to the betrothal of Anne to D. Juan, prevaricates.
 
Looks like the War of Castilian Succession could still go either way; I'm rooting for a Portuguese win myself, since that means massive changes for the development of European Empires in the 16th Century.
 
Looks like the War of Castilian Succession could still go either way; I'm rooting for a Portuguese win myself, since that means massive changes for the development of European Empires in the 16th Century.

It could. But as mentioned above, pesky little details that are seemingly insifgnificant in and of themselves can cause major damage further down the line.
 
1479


The hammer blow falls. And the Pope has ruled that the marriage of the King of Portugal and ‘the lady Joanna, called Queen of Castile’ has been contracted under the guise of obtaining the dispensation under false pretenses. The marriage is dissolved and their children declared illegitimate – including the current child that Juana is carrying.


Suddenly, the king of Portugal is down from having a son, a daughter and an unborn child as his heir, to being back to where he was when his first wife died, leaving his sister as his heiress. With Juana no longer having support from Portugal, her support in Castile melts away. And the peace between the three kingdoms on the Iberian peninsula is sealed in the Treaty of Medina del Campo – which promises João to the eldest daughter of Fernand and Isabel, nine-year-old Isabella (b. 1470), to be consummated on her fourteenth birthday.


Banished to a convent, a pregnant Juana sits and fumes. The divorce has seen her not only deposed from a crown she sees as rightfully hers, but stripped of her rank of queen of Portugal, and separated from her children. She sees this as the final straw. Her son, Henrique, now only D. Henrique de Castilho, is legitimate. If anyone should be marrying the Aragonese infanta it is he.


However, Medina del Campo also means that the prospective betrothal of Henrique to an English princess is scotched. But it also means that the king of Portugal is going to be heirless for another five years, in which space of time anything could happen. João is not a big fan of the newly sworn-in Castilian queen and her Aragonese husband. Partially because of the fact that he sees it that they are the reason for him once again being left without an heir, despite having three children from a legitimate marriage (Juana will be delivered of a son later in the year, Pedro Andres).


At first, he starts sending feelers out for a possible husband for his spinster sister, Joana (b.1452). But unfortunately, that lady is uninterested in marrying anyone but Our Lord and Saviour, and she will later become a nun and a saint, although offers are extended to Burgundy (the duke has several relatives in places like Cleves, Guelders and the Palatinate) and France.


But then, an interesting offer comes from England. Edward is still willing for his daughter to marry into the Portuguese royal house (mostly as a way of neutralizing their Lancastrian blood (them being descended from Henry IV’s second daughter, Philippa, after all)). And before the year is out, the names will be changed in the Treaty of Eltham that replaces D. Henrique with that of João II. But not only that, Edward arranges that his eldest daughter, who just Christmas past has been addressed as ‘Madame la Dauphine’ will now and for the rest of her natural life, be addressed as ‘Her Majesty, the Queen of Portugal’.


Of course, when Castile finds out how they’ve been sidestepped, they cancel the engagement of Juan to Anne. And instead start casting around for another lady, their eyes finally settling on his Neapolitan cousin, Giovanna (b.1478), to take her place.


France is more ambivalent to it. True, to the outside world, the dauphin and Elizabeth were engaged. But behind the scenes the kings of France and England were both quietly backing away from the idea. And now with the Treaty of Badajoz rendered irrelevant by the dissolution of the Castilian queen’s Portuguese marriage and the subsequent bastardization of her children, the Castilians are more interested in an alliance with France (symbolized by marriage between D. Isabel and the Dauphin).


However, D Isabel’s Aragonese father and grandfather are not so enthused by the match. There has been a long-simmering cauldron of differences between the French and the Aragonese – most notably over contention for the throne of Naples. And considering that the French claimants, the house of Anjou, have just welcomed their heir in the latest generation, Jean, Duke of Calabria and Genoa (b.1479), breathing new life into the smouldering embers of the Angevin claim, the Aragonese are not keen to ally themselves with what they would see as a fair-weather friend.


Nor are the Aragonese alone in this opinion. They have cousins ruling the same kingdom in Naples claimed by the Anjou. And of late they’ve seen their attempts at diplomacy fail: their Bohemian marriage is currently still without children, and the French king’s attempts to marry their second son, the duke of Apulia to the fabulously wealthy Marie of Burgundy were frustrated by the Burgundian duke’s desire for a royal crown; the king’s current marriage to an Aragonese infanta is proving to be unlucky, since their first born son, Carlo (b.1478), has recently died.


But D. Isabel is not the only lucky girl that the French king is considering for his son. His various betrothals for his son are all aimed at reuniting lands which were once part of the crown with France once more. He has made overtures to both the Duke of Burgundy and the Archduke of Austria about marriages between the dauphin and a hypothetical princess, with the long term goal of annexing all – or part – of Burgundy. That Marie/her sister has a brother standing between her/her daughter and the Burgundian inheritance is considered of little consequence by the king. Children die young, a fact he knows only too well since he’s buried five of his own. Nor has he only approached Charles of Burgundy. Countess Leonor of Foix, King René of Naples and Duke Fransez II of Brittany have also received offers of marriage between the Infanta Catherine, the Princess Marie or the Princess Anne and the dauphin, with the aim of welding Navarre, Lorraine-Anjou or Brittany to the lands of the French crown.


The Aragonese have other options to play with for D. Isabel too. The king and queen of Castile have offered their eldest daughter to marry D. Francisco, heir to the Navarrese throne. Well, to be honest, it’s more like D. Leonor trying to stay on her half-brother, the king of Castile’s good side, and she made the marriage proposal. Another option is her cousin in Naples, the king’s eldest grandson, D. Ferrante (b.1469). It’s not a brilliant match (but then again, neither is the Navarrese option), but it’s something.


Things are indefinitely complicated, and the Navarrese match moves from poor to impossible, by the twin deaths, first of Leonor, Countess of Foix de facto Queen of Navarre, in February, and then of her father, Juan II, King of Aragon, de jure King of Navarre.in March. Leonor has technically been queen of Navarre since the death of her childless sister, Blanca (II) in 1464, but has never pushed the title, and left her father to exercise his rights. Juan II was technically only king of Navarre in right of his first wife, Queen Blanca I (who died in 1441). When she died, their oldest son, Carlos, Prince of Viana SHOULD’VE succeeded as king of Navarre (Carlos IV). But, Juan claimed his right to the kingship of Navarre and this led to an awkward bickering between father and son about who had the bigger sceptre. Then Carlos died (in 1461), probably by poison, and because he had no children, his sister Blanca, formerly Princess of the Asturias as wife of Isabel of Castile’s half-brother, the late King Enrique, succeeded. Juan II then tried to arrange a marriage for Blanca with the late brother of the current king of France, Charles, duc de Berri (who was more than twenty years younger), Blanca refused, and shortly thereafter, died (again, probably by poison – seeing a pattern here folks?). Thus, Leonor, married to the Count of Foix inherited, but she was a good daughter and willing to let dad be called king of Navarre, so there were no awkward squabbles.


Except, now that she’s dead, there is. Leonor was queen of Navarre, and her crown is to pass to her first-born son of her raft of children, Gaston, Comte de Foix (b.1444). But Gaston died back in 1470 (by, wait for it, presumed poisoning), leaving two lovely little children by his darling wife, Madeleine. Madeleine just so happens to be born in the wrong country. She’s the sister to the king of France, Louis XI. And now, her son, Francisco Fébo/François Phoebe is king of Navarre.


Or so it should be. The king-consort of Castile (now Fernando II, King of Aragon, Valencia, Majorca, Sardinia, Count of Barcelona and ruler of a whole lot of other places) is also Juan II’s son. But he’s Juan II’s son by his second wife, the lovely Juana Enriquez (d.1468) – so he doesn’t actually have a claim to the Navarrese crown. As far as he’s concerned, girls shouldn’t be able to get the crown, so he tacks on the title of king of Navarre to his other titles (his reason being, he’s the eldest son of the last king). Of course, the Navarrese cortes is not happy about this, but Fernando kinda just marches his army in and says ‘I’m king, deal with it’. But he’s picked the wrong tree to shake, since the king of France isn’t too happy. He was hoping to meddle in Navarre in the name of his underage nephew through his sister, the regent. So he also gears up his army to march south towards Navarre. And suddenly, Europe’s eyes are on the little mountain kingdom in the Pyrenees.


And of course, Fernando thinks that there’s no better time than war to discuss marriage. Namely that of he and the Queen of Castile’s eldest son, Juan, Prince de los Asturias. King Edward of England’s already proven himself false to his word, since he’s gone and meddled in Portugal’s affairs (necessitating Fernando and Isabel’s need to find a new husband for their eldest daughter), so the betrothal between Juan and Anne of England is on ice. Another proposal, for him to marry his cousin in Naples, the Princess Isabel (b.1470) is likewise not exactly considered grand enough, since it brings no real gains to Aragon-Castile in terms of new alliances. Another idea that Fernando had, was to marry Juan to the Infanta Catherine of Navarre in order to solidify the Aragonese claim, but that would require a papal dispensation, since they’re first cousins once removed. But Navarre is staunchly anti-Aragonese at the moment – what with them invading and all. And Aragon-Castile needs allies who can cause trouble in France.


So, inducing the duke of Burgundy to attack in exchange for Isabel’s hand is pretty easy. Charles is still smarting from his previous war against the French where Louis broke down his league one by one. And Fernando gains another ally by offering the Prince de los Asturias to young Anne of Brittany. Fransez II is to make trouble for the king of France in conjunction with Charles of Burgundy. And Fernando entices a third party to also make trouble – namely by offering his younger son, Alfonso (b.1478) - for Princess Marie of Lorraine, daughter of Nicolas, Duke of Lorraine and his French wife, Anne.


Thus, the lines are drawn. Navarre and France against Aragon-Castile, Lorraine, Brittany and Burgundy…
 
Edward, well-knowing that Margaret’s strongest desire is to see her son returned to her from exile, has dangled that offer in front of her. Of course, however, the cash-strapped king doesn’t do it for love and charity. Margaret’s role as the standard bearer of the defunct house of Beaufort means that she stands as one of the wealthiest women in England. Henry Tudor is her only son, born in the bleakness of Wales. And stands to inherit not only his mother’s marginal claim to the throne (and it really is considered a joke by all but the most die-hard Lancastrians, since the Beauforts despite their legitimization and naturalization, have been barred from inheriting the throne since the reign of Henry IV by act of Parliament), but said vast wealth.


They were legitimised by the pope and an act of parliament by Richard II. Henry IV issued Letters Patent that barred them from the throne -- That is why they had any argument at all the Act of Parliament fully legitimised them, not mentioning the throne at all which implies that a claim to the throne was included, but it was a King alone that debarred them from the throne, which they could, and it very well could of been, and illegal vacancy of their legitimate claim to the throne. Very clouded but it has a little weight to it.
On the other hand Henry Holland had a very clear and strong Lancastrian claim to the throne very much superior to Henry Tudor, to bad he was a sadistic prick which de facto made his claim suck.
 
I think the Likely outcome of Edward of Westminster having a daughter, is that Richard III keeps the throne after he usurped it. Henry Tudor is a lot less likely to win, if he even still tried. But unless the Edward of Westminster's daughter somehow butterflies Edward IV living longer or Richard III's early demise, long live Richard III and his heirs.
 
I think the Likely outcome of Edward of Westminster having a daughter, is that Richard III keeps the throne after he usurped it. Henry Tudor is a lot less likely to win, if he even still tried. But unless the Edward of Westminster's daughter somehow butterflies Edward IV living longer or Richard III's early demise, long live Richard III and his heirs.
It could also butterfly Edward V getting crowned before Richard can seize him; and with the future Queen as his daughter in law, he might hold out hope for being able to control the king when he comes of age.
 
They were legitimised by the pope and an act of parliament by Richard II. Henry IV issued Letters Patent that barred them from the throne -- That is why they had any argument at all the Act of Parliament fully legitimised them, not mentioning the throne at all which implies that a claim to the throne was included, but it was a King alone that debarred them from the throne, which they could, and it very well could of been, and illegal vacancy of their legitimate claim to the throne. Very clouded but it has a little weight to it.
On the other hand Henry Holland had a very clear and strong Lancastrian claim to the throne very much superior to Henry Tudor, to bad he was a sadistic prick which de facto made his claim suck.

Fair enough, I'll somehow correct that statement. I was under the impression it was a second act of parliament.

I think the Likely outcome of Edward of Westminster having a daughter, is that Richard III keeps the throne after he usurped it. Henry Tudor is a lot less likely to win, if he even still tried. But unless the Edward of Westminster's daughter somehow butterflies Edward IV living longer or Richard III's early demise, long live Richard III and his heirs.

Uh no. How? She's a lightning conductor for any lord who doesn't like Richard then. He can't marry her to his son and heir because it's her uterine half-brother, and he can't marry her himself because that is a violation of canon law. In a way, she's sort of like Elizabeth of York OTL. She's the solution to many of Richard's problems, but he can't use her.

It could also butterfly Edward V getting crowned before Richard can seize him; and with the future Queen as his daughter in law, he might hold out hope for being able to control the king when he comes of age.

Am I so transparent?:eek:
 
Uh no. How? She's a lightning conductor for any lord who doesn't like Richard then. He can't marry her to his son and heir because it's her uterine half-brother, and he can't marry her himself because that is a violation of canon law. In a way, she's sort of like Elizabeth of York OTL. She's the solution to many of Richard's problems, but he can't use her.
Richard would marry her away to a distant potentate, which would basically make her descendants claims null.

Canon law was flexible if the pope wants it to be, it has allowed uncles to marry nieces, double first cousins to marry, (which is the equivalent to a half-sibling) brother-in-laws to marry their widowed sister in laws. Basically my point is Richard could of probably married her, if he was willing to pay the price to the Pope.
 
Richard would marry her away to a distant potentate, which would basically make her descendants claims null.

Canon law was flexible if the pope wants it to be, it has allowed uncles to marry nieces, double first cousins to marry, (which is the equivalent to a half-sibling) brother-in-laws to marry their widowed sister in laws. Basically my point is Richard could of probably married her, if he was willing to pay the price to the Pope.

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How would marrying her to someone distant - the Byzantine emperor, for instance - nullify her claims? Her kids would inherit her claim, and there would be support for her kids to press their claims against the king of England by whoever doesn't like him.
 
1479


When the Aragonese offer of marriage for his young daughter arrives at Nantes, Duke Fransez is ecstatic. Brittany won’t be returning as a major power any time soon, but if he can get his daughter married to the future king of Spain, and an English princess for his son, then it gives Brittany some rather powerful friends. England and Aragon can be used as sticks to threaten the French dog baying at the border.


However, in his joy, he seems to forget one small little detail. Courtesy of the last treaty the duchy signed with their Gallic neighbour, any marriage/betrothal of a Breton prince(ss) is subject to the approval of the king of France. And Louis is not an idiot – they don’t call him Louis le Prudent for nothing. He’s not going to endorse the double marriage of their Highnesses, Prince Richard and Princess Anne to enemies of France if he can help it.


When Edward IV of England hears the clarion call, he sits. Much though Gloucester, Margaret and several of the other movers and shakers at court encourage him to use this opportunity to 1) regain lost glory for England; and 2) avenge his daughter Elizabeth’s slighting by the French, he’s surprisingly disinterested. He sends Gloucester up to patrol the border with Scotland since their king is getting a little antsy thanks to French encouragement, but there’s no rallying to arms against the French, beyond the point of him ordering a beefing up of the fortifications at Calais.


On the surface, Edward’s doing nothing is surprising. However, it’s not really as surprising as one would think. His oldest daughter is the new queen of Portugal, and going to war against France endangers the lovely French monies that are being paid into his treasury. Not to mention, he’s still sort of pissed about Charles of Burgundy’s treatment of him in his last martial adventure against France, plus Charles and Margaret are holding the young Earl of Warwick.


Gloucester has a nice little dust up with the Scots, and seizes Edinburgh. Edward uses this to force the Scots king’s hand regarding the marriage of the duke of Rothesay and Cecily of England. Surprisingly, one of the members of Edward’s court at the moment is none other than the king of Scotland’s cousin, the duke of Albany. The duke who has divorced from his wife, the Lady Catherine Sinclair (and thereby delegitimized their children), is in need of a replacement, and is boasting of how he can seize the Scots’ throne from the king. But Edward is wary of the blood-steeped crown that would then be worn Albany’s brow – especially since the king of Scots is at least pro-English by choice, whereas Albany is more pro-English by default.


The king of Denmark, sometimes of Norway and Sweden (when King Carl II Bonde isn’t ruling those crowns) has, of late, welcomed his first born grandson, Christian (b.1479). And as a way of easing hurt feelings between England and the Kalmar Crowns due to his son, Crown Prince Johan having married someone other than Edward’s second daughter Mary, he’s now tempting Edward with a marriage between little Christian and Edward’s latest addition to his family, the Lady Katherine (b.1479). The marriage agreement offered is the same as before, merely substituting names.


But Edward has other plans for his little girl. He dangles the infant, like a worm on a hook, before Maximilian of Austria and his Burgundian wife for young Archduke Philipp. Marie of Burgundy is admittedly, rather surprised by this offer, since the last Anglo-Imperial match between King Richard II and the Princess Anne of Bohemia, didn’t go over so well in either country. However, Edward’s playing the long game, much like Louis. As attached as he may be to his nephew, the Comte de Charolais, he’s well aware that the boy is nothing more than a slender reed preventing Marie from inheriting her father’s realms – which just so happen to be over the Channel from England.

Another betrothal goes through – namely that of the infant ‘called’ king of Cyprus, Jacques/Giacomo III, to the second eldest daughter of Florence’s ruler, Lorenzo de Medici, Maria Maddalena (b.1473). At first glance, the match does not seem like much. However, the Medici are fabulously wealthy thanks to their banking endeavours, while on her mother’s side, the girl is related to the Orsini family. The Orsini are an influential family with holdings scattered throughout Tuscany, the Papal States and the kingdom of Naples. They regularly provide cardinals and other ranking members of the papal household from their family, entrenched as it is amongst the Eternal City’s aristocracy.

This connection doesn’t seem like much, but considering the circumstances that Giacomo III and his titular regent, Queen Caterina Cornaro, a Venetian, have been in for the last half-decade, it’s something. Giacomo III’s father, Giacomo II, was a nasty piece of work. The bastard son of King Giovanni III, Giacomo was appointed as Archbishop of Nicosia, murdered his chamberlain and got into a feud with the then queen consort, Helena Palaiologina (which resulted in his mother, Marietta’s nose being cut off). Then when Giovanni died and his half-sister (Helena’s daughter, Charlotte) succeeded as Queen of Cyprus, he led a successful rebellion against her. Then, he had himself crowned king of Cyprus while Charlotte was in exile. But, due to his bastardy, his knocks on the doors of numerous reigning royal houses went unanswered. So, he married Caterina Cornaro, from a Venetian patrician family. And then, Giacomo II died two months after the wedding, leaving a pregnant Caterina in charge of Cyprus. Their son, Giacomo III was born, but he was born a king with no crown, since Cyprus was again in revolt – this time, incited by the Catalan/Aragonese invaders. Caterina and Giacomo were forced to escape into exile, and Queen Charlotte returned in triumph in 1475.

And here comes the but. Charlotte, despite two marriages, is childless, her only son, Ugo, had been born and died almost a decade previously, and she had borne no children since. Many thought that because of this, Charlotte would ‘adopt’ little Giacomo III as her heir. However, Charlotte was not so tender hearted, although later stories have a fictional meeting between her and little Giacomo where she supposedly said to him, ‘poor child, you are innocent of your parents’ crimes, yet you are still guilty of your own’. Charlotte had another solution – although cash-strapped she had sold her rights to Cyprus to her cousin, the duke of Savoy while in exile – she has, of late, created her bastard half-sister, Carla (b.1468) Princess of Galilee, thus designating her as heir to the throne. Likewise, she has also married young Carla to Alfonso of Aragon (b.1460), a bastard son of King Ferrante of Naples, the leader of the Catalans who restored her to her throne.

But Charlotte’s marriage of her half-sister to Alfonso is more than just rewarding him. Alfonso is related through his half-siblings to the future king of Naples, the duchess of Ferrara, the duke of Milan and the king of Aragon-Castile, all powerful players in the peninsula in their own right. Which means that when Carla becomes Queen Charlotte II of Cyprus, Jerusalem and Armenia she will have a far more fearsome array of allies than simply the Venetian Republic as Giacomo II did.
 
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How would marrying her to someone distant - the Byzantine emperor, for instance - nullify her claims? Her kids would inherit her claim, and there would be support for her kids to press their claims against the king of England by whoever doesn't like him.

Because they are to faraway to press their claim, they very well might not be interested in doing so, and it makes it a lot less likely they would be able to gain any support if their was any English claimant at all; for example the Portuguese Lancastrian claim.
 
I suppose you're right, after all, Richard III was going to marry Elizabeth of York off to the duke of Beja to get her out of the country...but, that's not what I have planned for little Miss Lancaster
 
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