The Red Princess

Entirely in the gift of the King - as they both usually went to church men before the reformation - often they were held for the life of the monarch if the holder proved loyal and good at his role and they were not further promoted - however i don't believe they or the monarch's they served would expect it to be a lifetime gift.
 
Glad to see this back. And I don’t know for a fact if the Chancellorship was for life, but I’m pretty sure they didn’t have “terms” or anything, just keeping the job so long as they had the monarch’s favor.
 
Entirely in the gift of the King - as they both usually went to church men before the reformation - often they were held for the life of the monarch if the holder proved loyal and good at his role and they were not further promoted - however i don't believe they or the monarch's they served would expect it to be a lifetime gift.

So Rotherham stays in power as chancellor then. Russell is keeper of the privy seal and Alcock is understudy for both? Wonder if Peter Courtenay would get a place in the sun? Or would he be deemed too Lancastrian for a spot?

Glad to see this back. And I don’t know for a fact if the Chancellorship was for life, but I’m pretty sure they didn’t have “terms” or anything, just keeping the job so long as they had the monarch’s favor.

None is more surprised/glad than me. But I was reading how many parallels Starkey draws between RoS and the young Henry VIII and I decided I'd take a stab at a new chapter (or two) :)
 
Well - Rotherham was loyal to Edward IV throughout his life and I have little doubt he would survive in any tl that sees a continuing York dynasty - likewise Russell was loyal and well regarded - the only reason he faded under Henry VII as in part due to his commitments to Oxford and his own diocese. Alcock was tutor to Edward V - a sure sign that in due course he would be regarded as "the future man" - I wouldn't rule out Lionel Woodville either age probably prevented any appts under Edward IV but under one of his nephews that won't be a problem. Courtney narrowly survived his support for Clarence and Henry VI - but i doubt he be rehabilitated enough for high office.
 
Well - Rotherham was loyal to Edward IV throughout his life and I have little doubt he would survive in any tl that sees a continuing York dynasty - likewise Russell was loyal and well regarded - the only reason he faded under Henry VII as in part due to his commitments to Oxford and his own diocese. Alcock was tutor to Edward V - a sure sign that in due course he would be regarded as "the future man" - I wouldn't rule out Lionel Woodville either age probably prevented any appts under Edward IV but under one of his nephews that won't be a problem. Courtney narrowly survived his support for Clarence and Henry VI - but i doubt he be rehabilitated enough for high office.

I was thinking of Alcock becoming something like Edward V's Wolsey - with cardinalate, archbishopric and chancellorship to follow. Or is that too much?
 
As others say they were entirely the gift of the monarch and served only with his favour.
They're now government sinecures.

Neither a lord nor a privy nor a seal as one said in the 20th century.

Anybody have any names/suggestions for guys who would likely be part of the future Edward V's "Welsh" circle? I figure they should probably start making their appearances in the (next few) chapter(s) I've found Alcock for a TTL Wolsey, but beyond a listing of he and the "governor/tutor" Earl Rivers serving as a sort of "surrogate dad" for Edward, I can't find much
 
Richard Grey also went to Ludlow in 1483, as I remember it. He's got to be in there somewhere. And Surely Dorset's going to be important in his half brother's court too.

Morton?
 
Richard Grey also went to Ludlow in 1483, as I remember it. He's got to be in there somewhere. And Surely Dorset's going to be important in his half brother's court too.

Morton?

Richard Grey will have a role in Edward's court methinks, but I have no idea if he'll be able to get a title or a marriage to a rich heiress like his older brother did (at least, not without reigniting resentment against the Wydevilles. And let's face it, Edward V's queen is Warwick's granddaughter and no shrinking violet so she'd probably lead the charge).

As to Dorset, I'm not sure. Edward doesn't seem to have much of a relationship with Richard of Shrewsbury (their time in the Tower leading up to their disappearance was probably the most time they'd ever spent together), presumably only seeing him (RoS) when he was brought back to London. So Edward is gonna be closer to Richard Grey than Dorset (simply by pure dint of the familiar versus the strange).

Morton's in reserve for now. Alcock seems more likely to serve as a "bridge" between Rotherham and Wolsey (Alcock was Edward's tutor in Wales AFAIK, so he's gonna presumably start out with either guys he inherited from his dad or give a try to guys he knows and trusts first. Won't necessarily go over well in Westminster, but we'll see).
 
Thomas Vaughan was also involved with Edward V in some capacity, and lost his head on the orders of Richard III, but he's apparently rather old (wiki gives 1410 as his year of birth).

There's also assorted Woodville relations, such as Richard Haute, John Fogge and John Scott, who were involved in the Ludlow administration. All 3 were later involved in the 1483 rebellion against Richard III.
 
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