The Q-BAM Improvement and Core Thread
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Sorry to insist but could someone make a patch for Franconian Saale, and more generally about German rivers? Thanks.
Alex Richards
Donor
I've just posted a new 1885 worlda map, so you can draw from that as you want. There's a couple of corrections to make though, and I'm not sure where you've got that Ethiopia situation from.
worldmap
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somebody here posted a question about those 2 maps 1946 and 1962....
first of all 1946 map is near completion as i still need to consult several maps for the state of affairs in that time period, for what worries me is the status of occupied libya, since i dont think its borders should be shown, and the communist control in china, as they are incosistent, so be with you later with finished map
first of all 1946 map is near completion as i still need to consult several maps for the state of affairs in that time period, for what worries me is the status of occupied libya, since i dont think its borders should be shown, and the communist control in china, as they are incosistent, so be with you later with finished map
Alex Richards
Donor
Well, I've found out since, and I think they're getting a situation from later in 1885 mixed in there, which is a bad idea because end of year vs. start of year changes a huge amount in Africa. Though in fact that still doesn't make sense because the distribution of rebellion groups doesn't fit with who was actually Emperor at the time.
Basically, for a Jan 1st date you've got Yohannes IV ruling Gondar and Tigray directly (or at least with only minor lords below him), and with Mikael of Wollo ruling as governor there with some autonomy, but not as much as a Negus. In the south Gojjam and Shewa were highly autonomous under their respective Neguses, and ended up in rebellion towards the end of 1885. Gojjam was crushed in 1886, but before Yohannes could exert his rule over Shewa (and the future Emperor Menelik II), the Mahdi attacked Gondar and burnt the city, causing him to move north and eventually get killed in 1889. Menelik then took the Imperial throne, moved the capital to his powerbase in Shewa and crushed some rebellions in Tigray to finally consolidate Ethiopia and neutralise the historic autonomy of the nobility.
There's some issues there.
- French Indochina should have only a limited french presence, would it be only because of Viet-Minh
- Mauritania was included within French Africa at least since the 20's, and should look more as modern Mauritania
- Western Germany looks like it have puppet governments over different states : occupations zones should be depicted otherwise (as in, German outline with occupation zones shown in plain colour)
Similarly, how you depicted British influence in the Near East should be reversed : coloured outline for the country, and client British shade for plain colour.
- Eastern Europe situation is more complex : sovietisation wasn't already that complete, and several states should be shown as clients rather than puppet regimes (as Czechoslovakia) if not in plain colour (as Yugoslavia, with Albania probably better shown as a Yugoslavian client)
- French protectorates on Tunisia and Morocco were less protectorates, than de facto puppet-regimes. A protectorate outline with plain French colour would be better fit
- Italy lost Libya at this point, it shouldn't appear with an outline on the region.
- Macau was Portuguese
- Saar Protectorate was not created until 1947/12/15
- Christmas Island was not ceded to Australia by Singapore until 1958/09/02
- Akrotiri and Dhekelia Sovereign base areas were not created until 1960/08/16
- Khuriya Muriya Islands were a British possession until 1967/11/30
- Canton of Jura was not separated from Canton of Bern until 1979/06/23
worldmap
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now it looks like i havent done a decent job for 1946, interesting thing about those occupation zones in germany, they were administered by 4 powers, but western germany was a trizone with no independence whatsoever, about the portugese macau i will fix that, french indochina was at time only begining to be affected by activities of communist insurgency as were other parts of china, but i did not want to include it on the map
i dont know about those islands, so about eastern europe, soviet army was present in much of these countries and remained there for decades, yugoslavia and albania were stalinist style ruled countries aligned with soviet union, so i dont see the reason for making them outside of its influence
iraq was independent by that time so i should remove british outline from it
i dont know about those islands, so about eastern europe, soviet army was present in much of these countries and remained there for decades, yugoslavia and albania were stalinist style ruled countries aligned with soviet union, so i dont see the reason for making them outside of its influence
iraq was independent by that time so i should remove british outline from it
No worries, not any map is perfect no matter how long you had to work on it : it's why we have threads, after all.
In fact, you shouldn't distinguish western or eastern Germany yet, except by occupation zoning.
I'd strongly disagree there.
Leclerc managed to enter Hanoi in 1946 essentially because he negociated with Ho-Chi-Minh. Bombing of Hải Phòng in November by French Navy highlight a de facto situation of political control (more or less shared, arguably) that can be found in aformentioned negociations with Leclerc, or the latter's appreciation of the situation.
Simply said : the North of Vietnam was under Viet-Minh control, at least partially so. And we're talking of a situation that began before the end of WWII, not just merely beggining.
Well, it wasn't the case of Yugoslavia and Albania, to begin with. These territories were freed not by Soviet Army but local communist resistance, which provided a base to Soviet-Yugoslavian split, and later Soviet-Albanian split.
Even for states occupied by Soviet armies, the sovietisation didn't happened overnight. Czech coup points how in the immediate aftermath of the war, the sovietisation was only but one objective (Stalin himself wasn't that too sure about how to deal with Eastern Europe at this point).
I'd notice, that said, that "influence" shade (the lighter shade) is not what I disagree with there. But what you used wasn't the light Soviet colour (to mark influence/clientelisation) but puppet-state (outline filled with plain colour).
i made a beautiful scheme of all the avaible maps i could find please use it i know the link malfunctions but yes there is a map of 1856...
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4000 BC: PFP-status - N/A
550 BC: PFP-status - N/A
11: PFP-status - N/A
814: Finished - http://i.imgur.com/gLn68B6.png
1279: PFP-status - N/A
1400: Unfinised - http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/lib...400.png?cache=
1492: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/9uFkJ.png
1748: Unknown -
1789: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/LDqH0ds.png
1807: Unfinised - https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...9&d=1388096946
1812: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/h0I5Bio.png (below)
1815: Unfinised - http://i.imgur.com/lnqwIt0.png
1856: Incomplete - https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...1&d=1319623374
1885: Unfinised - http://i.imgur.com/h0I5Bio.png (above)
1914: Finised - http://savepic.org/2446257.png
1918: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/3JHizhd.png (above)
1938: Finised - http://savepic.org/2427825.png
1942: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/3JHizhd.png (below)
1945: Unfinised - https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...1&d=1263137910
1946: Unfinised - http://i.imgur.com/tKzMjDi.png
1948: Unfinised - https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...1&d=1279949941 + http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/lib...rld_201948.png
1962: Finised/Incorrect - http://savepic.org/3046851.png
1992: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/C2zvi.png
Current: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/ojOxyzY.png
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Languistic: WIP-status - https://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...1&d=1420322431
Topografical: WIP-status - http://i.imgur.com/RYVSvrJ.png
Night Sky: PFP-status - N/A
Mars Terraformed: Finised - http://i.imgur.com/qQ9oFJw.png
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