vultan said:Arnold Schwarzenegger...wanted to play Ozymandias
Just about the best choice you could find. (I do kind of wonder what Aaron Sorkin might've done with it, tho.)vultan said:Joss Whedon
I'm trying to recall if the graphic novel was out yet...'cause finding the complete limited would've been a real bear. It was hot.vultan said:After going to a comic shop and flipping through Watchmen
vultan said:48 Hours. Predator. Die Hard. Yeah, he’s kind of a big deal.
An excellent choice IMO. I only hope it doesn't butterfly away "Bubba Ho-tep" & Sam Axe ("Burn Notice")...vultan said:Campbell
Agreed, & I think it's a good idea.Brainbin said:I agree that they could probably pull off keeping Hamill's casting very quiet in this era
Bear in mind, more than a few in the audience will be looking for him with the mask off. (OK, how recognizable will a redheaded Mark Hamill be?)Brainbin said:People are watching the movie, totally wrapped up in his performance, then suddenly off comes the mask and... Luke Skywalker?!
Also not impossible...Brainbin said:"He is gonna suck. He is gonna suck. You guys, he is totally gonna suck... Oh my god you guys, he was awesome!"
You have one subscribed, too. I suppose Richard Dean "I can't spell my character's name" Anderson is out of the question?vultan said:I'm just waiting for people to speculate what the possible changes to Stargate may be (I KNOW we've got some Stargate fans on the board).
I have to say, I've never been impressed with him. (How much of that was based on bad writing causing me to want to push him out an airlock at the earliest opportunity, IDK. {Seriously, do all android characters have to be dweebs? Except Yancy Butler. And look how that went.})vultan said:Spiner's kind of like Campbell: not a big name by any stretch, just a TV actor... but that TV show happens to be Star Trek.
Nobody thought of "3 of 5"?vultan said:the Borg “Vosima”
Don't tell me Jeri Ryan turned it down? Or was Jonathon Del Arco unavailable?vultan said:The role went to then-unknown Edward Norton
Damn, I'm good.vultan said:Stargate Finds Another Lead
...Richard Dean Anderson
Doubtless you know, OTL that was at Anderson's request. Also, in response to how TTL's film O'Neill & OTL's TV O'Neill couldn't be the same: who says? OTL's film version had his son die; who says TTL's film version does? The film wanted a reluctant O'Neill; he could be reluctant for a host of reasons, not least simple burnout at doing to many spec ops. (I also want a better explanation why a USAF guy is so much like a shooter from "The Unit"...)vultan said:Devlin rewrote parts of the script to change Jack O’Neil from a cold, brooding character to more humorous and sarcastic
[5] This is sort of how the character of Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean evolved once Johnny Depp got control of him.
I find myself very ambivalent about this. I never liked him, tho he was good in "Silverado". It does seem to bugger Michael Shanks' chances of getting cast for *"SG-1" (presuming it's even made TTL): he was perfectly cast as a faux Spader.vultan said:the studio was more interested in Jeff Goldblum
vultan said:Angelina Jolie
Except for "The Sixth Sense", which I liked, I agree with that. (I won't be sorry TTL never knows who Haley Joel Osment is, tho I will be sorry Bruce Vilanch can't do his "I see dead people" on "Squares".)TheInfiniteApe said:M. Night being killed in the riots is bittersweet for me. I'm sad that he had to die to save us all from his movies, but I'm glad we won't be subjected to them.
Which films did you have in mind?vultan said:The sad thing is, at the intersection of a President Hubert Humphrey timeline and a more successful Star Trek=film copycat timeline, there is a real possibility much of the dark and cynically beautiful films of New Hollywood are aborted...
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Which films did you have in mind?
Because I couldn't find the original quote... If it's where I think, BB's "ST" thread, feel free to answer there, instead.vultan said:...why didn't you ask me this on the thread I posted it on?
So casting her in "Stargate" might be pretty unlikely. (As said, tho, I do like the idea. Especially after "Mojave Moon" & "Gia".)wikipedia said:[Angelina] played her first leading role in the low-budget, straight-to-video science-fiction sequel Cyborg 2, as Casella "Cash" Reese, a near-human robot, designed to seduce her way into a rival manufacturer's headquarters and then self-detonate. Jolie was so disappointed with the film that she did not audition again for a year.
Because I couldn't find the original quote... If it's where I think, BB's "ST" thread, feel free to answer there, instead.
So casting her in "Stargate" might be pretty unlikely. (As said, tho, I do like the idea. Especially after "Mojave Moon" & "Gia".)
Of course it is...vultan said:It's on the top of (current) last page of "That Wacky Redhead", FWIW.
I can live with that.vultan said:IAnd as for that bit of Jolie info... we'll say it's butterflies.
Can I request Cameron get much better roles than OTL? She was superb in "The Mask", & it still astounds me it was her debut. She deserved better.Brainbin said:another ingenue newcomer, Cameron Diaz in The Mask, released at around the same time.
I'd agree with the "ST:V" sentiment. It wasn't terrible (& was most faithful to Gene's original vision), but could've been better.vultan said:any suggestions for 1990's pop culture that don't preclude anything I'm going to do, I'll consider it.
Welcome to the party! Would you like some light refreshments?Realizing I'm coming in a bit late...
I might have occasion to praise him more if everybody else toned it down a little. He's not that good a writer! It figures you would find Shakespeare overrated, and not this guy, who so defines the word that you could find his picture next to the dictionary entry! But don't get me started, or else I might never stopphx1138 said:Also, you apparently don't share BB's disdain for Whedon.
Remember, it's only been ten years since Jedi. His appearance in the contemporary Wing Commander III was basically that of Luke Skywalker with a beard.phx1138 said:Bear in mind, more than a few in the audience will be looking for him with the mask off. (OK, how recognizable will a redheaded Mark Hamill be?)
vultan never really went into fan reaction to the casting except for after-the-fact, but I'm willing to say that I called itphx1138 said:Also not impossible...
I find much of the TNG cast rather wooden, even when I know they can be better (Burton and even Stewart sometimes fell victim to poor writing), but Data was the only one whose woodenness seemed justifiable to me. The problem was that everyone else talked exactly the same way he did, which - especially when compared to the more naturalistic dialogue and delivery on TOS, DS9, and even VOY to an extent (technobabble aside), really stuck out like a sore thumb.phx1138 said:I have to say, I've never been impressed with him. (How much of that was based on bad writing causing me to want to push him out an airlock at the earliest opportunity, IDK.
vultan already explained that they didn't want him to reprise the role of Hugh, because the character is a teenager (Wesley flashbacks).phx1138 said:Or was Jonathon Del Arco unavailable?
You like Bruce freaking Vilanch?! I have no words... just, no words at allphx1138 said:Except for "The Sixth Sense", which I liked, I agree with that. (I won't be sorry TTL never knows who Haley Joel Osment is, tho I will be sorry Bruce Vilanch can't do his "I see dead people" on "Squares".)
Yeah, how about you ask him that on my thread, buddy?phx1138 said:Which films did you have in mind?
Thank you, vultan. You are a gentleman and a scholar...why didn't you ask me this on the thread I posted it on?
You mean my "TWR" thread Are you out to get me today, or what?Because I couldn't find the original quote... If it's where I think, BB's "ST" thread, feel free to answer there, instead.
And don't you forget itOf course it is...
Only the "SG-1" stuff comes immediately to mind. (The rest, I looked at the TV schedules on WP.)
Predicated on "SG-1" even happening: avoid the Carter-O'Neill romance. It's silly. (If you can change Jackson so he's less a weenie, you'll also butterfly Shanks quitting & coming back; otherwise, leave him dead. He's not Dr. Doom.) Also, push Vala into the vortex of an incoming wormhole at the first opportunity. (I like Claudia Black, just not Vala.) And just wrap the show after they defeat the Goa'uld. Go out on a hi note. (Yep, not a fan of the Ori Arc.) Also, the "ascended" & "second evolution" is plain stupid. (Atlantis being anywhere but around Thera is pretty stupid, too.)
Stop ... "Spaceballs" ... "Ace Ventura" ... "Mars Attacks!" ... "Deep Impact" ... "Galaxy Quest"...
Why thank you. What polite, prompt service.Brainbin said:Welcome to the party! Would you like some light refreshments?
How did you know? We had to read Shakespeare school, & I hated it.Brainbin said:He's not that good a writer! It figures you would find Shakespeare overrated, and not this guy
That might throw off a few people. Tho Dave's Rorschach was clean-shaven...Brainbin said:Luke Skywalker with a beard.
I wouldn't be surprised if you did.Brainbin said:vultan never really went into fan reaction to the casting except for after-the-fact, but I'm willing to say that I called it
TBH, I never noticed the woodenness, nor the sameness (or don't recall it). My biggest problem with Data was the characterization: able to deal with natural language, rather than limited "input usage", & with (IIRC) 26yr among humans, but still doesn't recognize common idioms. (Leave off why idiom common in the 20th Century are still common in the 24h...) It was as if they wanted a Vulcan, but didn't think the fans would accept anybody not Spock.Brainbin said:I find much of the TNG cast rather wooden, even when I know they can be better (Burton and even Stewart sometimes fell victim to poor writing), but Data was the only one whose woodenness seemed justifiable to me. The problem was that everyone else talked exactly the same way he did, which - especially when compared to the more naturalistic dialogue and delivery on TOS, DS9, and even VOY to an extent (technobabble aside), really stuck out like a sore thumb.
Posted before I came to that...Brainbin said:vultan already explained that they didn't want him to reprise the role of Hugh, because the character is a teenager (Wesley flashbacks).
You should know by know, my tastes are idiosyncratic.Brainbin said:You like Bruce freaking Vilanch?! I have no words... just, no words at all
You may consider it asked. If you prefer, I will repeat it there.Brainbin said:Yeah, how about you ask him that on my thread, buddy?
Yes?Brainbin said:You mean my "TWR" thread Are you out to get me today, or what?
It's not the storyline per se, it's the "evolution into energy" that irritates me. It's nonsense. Humans aren't evolving physically any more. We don't have to. Once we gained the ability to manipulate our environment (tools, clothes, fire, buildings, air conditioning), we lost the need to evolve physically. It's a common meme; Gene relied on it for "ST", & it was nonsense then, too.EvilSpaceAlien said:I disagree with you on the ascended storyline
The city, no. A city built by (effectively) humans who evolved separately from us, contrary to the fossil record, nonsense; one built by them & named for a (putatively) real place, ridiculous. Now, if *Atlantis had been an *Ancient city (built by benevolent aliens per the Asgard) & it had left after (or caused) the Thera eruption, & had been located in the historical location, I'd have no problem, because that fits the fossil & historical record, & the theme of the show: aliens hiding out in our myths. (That sounds so like McCarthy, it's a bit frightening.)EvilSpaceAlien said:I don't [think] it's that stupid to have Atlantis be on another planet.
My objection to it was the implication of "real god" in opposition to the Ori. With the Goa'uld, it was clear they were parasites & usurpers; with the Ori, it began to sound like proselytizing for Christianity. IDK if that was intended, but it did wear on me.EvilSpaceAlien said:As for the Ori Arc, I hated that too
TBH, I never got that sense until the Ori arrived. It seemed to me more a case of opposing slavery & deceit.EvilSpaceAlien said:With religion being a central theme of the show during its entire run
I wouldn't have objected if the show went on, or if the threat had been Wraith or Replicators or something else. I just found Mitchell much less engaging, tho he was written much the same as O'Neill, & I think that's Browder being less likable than Anderson (for me, anyhow). If he hadn't already been committed, I'd have preferred Flanigan. Or they could've done something radical & cast a black actor. Ending after the Goa'uld just would've been an ideal place to stop, rather than let the show sink in quality. Think of the ending of "NYPD Blue": a perfect close, yet it left open the prospect of a TV movie if anybody wanted to do one.EvilSpaceAlien said:I see no reason why the show could not continue forward after the Goa'uld arc reaches its end. Personally, I would have loved to have seen the SGC go up against some regular humans with advanced technology for a change.
I could live with either one. The angle they didn't use enough is the one I'd have gone to, I think: her connections & talents. They need a naquadah bomb to power a Gate, she can steal it. She can identify the bounty hunters before they notice the team. She can find them a ship, or whatever MacGuffin they need. At need, she can kick ass. She doesn't have to be so flaky.EvilSpaceAlien said:As for Vala, I found her pretty entertaining, but she would be better utilized in a few guest appearances here and there, or why not just have her go through something truly traumatic which dramatically tones the character down to believable levels.
That is extremely likely.EvilSpaceAlien said:Though with all the changes made to the Stargate franchise and film/tv in general made ITTL, I doubt the Stargate tv show (if there will ever be one) will be very similar to the one we got IOTL.
Allowing for differences in tastes, you may be right. I saw "Mars Attacks!" & hated it. I've seen bits of "Spaceballs" & "Galaxy Quest", & found them stupid & unfunny.EvilSpaceAlien said:Spaceballs, Galaxy Quest, and Mars Attacks! are three pretty entertaining sci-fi parodies/satires
If it was more in the vein of Lucifer's Hammer, I might agree. By the time we spot an asteroid or comet capable of extinguishing live on Earth, the chances of stopping it are near zero. Hollywood seems unwilling to grapple with that. "2012" is the only film I've seen to come close.EvilSpaceAlien said:Deep Impact, it has a good premise
I presume you didn't like "The Mask" at all, then?EvilSpaceAlien said:Ace Ventura...is actually funny
It's not the storyline per se, it's the "evolution into energy" that irritates me. It's nonsense. Humans aren't evolving physically any more. We don't have to. Once we gained the ability to manipulate our environment (tools, clothes, fire, buildings, air conditioning), we lost the need to evolve physically. It's a common meme; Gene relied on it for "ST", & it was nonsense then, too.
The city, no. A city built by (effectively) humans who evolved separately from us, contrary to the fossil record, nonsense; one built by them & named for a (putatively) real place, ridiculous. Now, if *Atlantis had been an *Ancient city (built by benevolent aliens per the Asgard) & it had left after (or caused) the Thera eruption, & had been located in the historical location, I'd have no problem, because that fits the fossil & historical record, & the theme of the show: aliens hiding out in our myths. (That sounds so like McCarthy, it's a bit frightening.)
My objection to it was the implication of "real god" in opposition to the Ori. With the Goa'uld, it was clear they were parasites & usurpers; with the Ori, it began to sound like proselytizing for Christianity. IDK if that was intended, but it did wear on me.
TBH, I never got that sense until the Ori arrived. It seemed to me more a case of opposing slavery & deceit.
I wouldn't have objected if the show went on, or if the threat had been Wraith or Replicators or something else. I just found Mitchell much less engaging, tho he was written much the same as O'Neill, & I think that's Browder being less likable than Anderson (for me, anyhow). If he hadn't already been committed, I'd have preferred Flanigan. Or they could've done something radical & cast a black actor. Ending after the Goa'uld just would've been an ideal place to stop, rather than let the show sink in quality. Think of the ending of "NYPD Blue": a perfect close, yet it left open the prospect of a TV movie if anybody wanted to do one.
Allowing for differences in tastes, you may be right. I saw "Mars Attacks!" & hated it. I've seen bits of "Spaceballs" & "Galaxy Quest", & found them stupid & unfunny.
If it was more in the vein of Lucifer's Hammer, I might agree. By the time we spot an asteroid or comet capable of extinguishing live on Earth, the chances of stopping it are near zero. Hollywood seems unwilling to grapple with that. "2012" is the only film I've seen to come close.
I presume you didn't like "The Mask" at all, then?
I found it so right through. I can't say if it changed; I didn't notice.EvilSpaceAlien said:It did get that sense with the Ori during the first few episodes of season nine as well, but TBH, not so much in the second half or during season 10.
True. I imagine that's also driven by our own experience: I've been pretty hostile to religion a very long time.EvilSpaceAlien said:Really? For me religion always seemed to be a central theme of the show, but I guess to each their own.
I don't dislike him as an actor, just in this role. I can't say I've seen him in anything I've especially liked, but I could picture it. A slightly different Jack Bauer, say.EvilSpaceAlien said:Yeah I wasn't much of a fan of Browder either.
I don't remember him well enough. I'll have to watch for him in the repeats.EvilSpaceAlien said:I think that when RDA left after S8 they should've brought back Colonel Dave Dixon (Adam Baldwin's character from the Heroes two parter). The character was different enough from O'Neill that he wouldn't be seen as a copy, but he still had a sense of humor. Granted it was pretty different from O'Neills (more deadpan and cynical), but with a toned down Vala being there as well, things could've worked out well.
We're back to "different strokes" again, & on this, I doubt we'd ever agree.EvilSpaceAlien said:Well personally I enjoyed all those movies for what they were. Mars Attacks! was a pretty damn good silly satire of classic 1950s sci fi movies, and Spacballs and Galaxy Quest had some excellent scenes in which they poked fun of popular sci-fi shows/movies, and filmmaking in general.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEdWTk1l9o
Oh, I'm not defending "2012" as a movie; it was awful. It just took a more credible approach to the issue. Then copped out at the end... IMO, there's a couple of credible ways to do it: "Andromeda Strain", where there's a bug on Earth that infects the aliens (yeah, I think it's a looong shot their biology'd be vulnerable), or "The Puppet Masters", where there's a concerted effort & the aliens need human hosts (which comes back to why they would, with incompatible biology, not to mention the whole gravity well problem). Anything else set remotely contemporary, we're doomed.EvilSpaceAlien said:Yeah but Deep Impact was still far more realistic than 2012. It had far more realistic characters as well. If they actually had the entire comet impact the Earth, then it would've been a better movie.
Huh. I hated "Ace Ventura". And I'm not exactly his #1 fan, either...which may explain why.EvilSpaceAlien said:I absolutely loved The Mask. But I still count Ace Ventura...as one of Carrey's few funny movies, so it'd be a shame to see it gone.
With that I entirely agree. "Syriana" was good, & "Michael Clayton" is a great role for him. He was desperately miscast as Bats, tho. Clooney would never wear that ridiculous suit. He'd hire somebody. (He might even hire Michael Keaton. Or Jackie Earle Haley.) He was the best Bruce Wayne, without question--but Bruce is the mask, just like Clark is: it's Bats that's the real guy. Keaton made a credible Bats, but is too much a loony lightweight as Bruce. And I'm apparently a minority who thinks Bale is the only one to make both credible. (Having seen "Sherlock Holmes", I wonder about Robert Downey, Jr. And as I think of it, Ben Browder, who has the crazy streak.)TheInfiniteApe said:Clooney's a fantastic actor who has done some terrible films.
No, because he has the qualities Bruce should have: there's a suave, a self-possession, yes, maybe a smugness (but he's supposed to be the playboy, so...). He has none of the qualities Bats should have.Brainbin said:people seem to like defending his Bruce Wayne, probably because he is Clooney and they do not want to slight him
TYVM. Which raises an obvious question: what happens to his career? A string of mediocre action films, per Seagal? Or a chance to be a "serious" actor?thekingsguard said:What is the fate of Brandon Leevultan said:he survives getting shot.
Spoiler alert: it was. Might've been better if it'd been Godzilla. (Adrian did claim to be "smartest man in the world", not "most original".)Watchmen being a little bit of a giant monster movie
With that, I will also 100% agree. As I also said to Brainbin on "TWR", my attitude is, get all the advice you can, & if you don't agree with it, ignore it: it's going to have your name on it, & if you're not happy, it shouldn't go in.Brainbin said:vultan, this is your timeline, and you should do things the way you want them done. Thanks for giving all of us the opportunity to make some suggestions, but I'll definitely continue to read along no matter how many of them are followed
There's 3 or 4 I'd like: A more faithful telling of the "Phoenix Saga" from Xmen, minus the origin story. Longbow Hunters. A Sable story, but not an origin. (I hate origin stories.) Scout, beginning with #8. And, if you can get the right screenwriter(s) & cast, a JLI story.vultan said:If Watchmen is successful, yes, there is a chance less mainstream comics can be adapted into movies. Anyone have any preferences?
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